Is it animal abuse to spade/neuter pets?

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I can think of three main reasons why it might be
1. It does change the behavior of the animal to a degree.
2. There are a few health problems directly related to it.
3. It kinda screams "lazy pet owner" in the same vein as people who paid to remove their cats claws rather then spend the time and energy clipping them.

Then again I've never really had a pet before if the behavior change is actually better or not, if there's more health issues with not fixing them, and how hard it actually is to keep a pet with there genitals intact. So people who have actually owned them can probably think of several reasons why fixing them is better overall for the pet and the owner.
 
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It probably is to an extent, but the issue is that we control EVERYTHING about domesticated animals.
We feed them, we have to deal with their need to excrete, and we also control if or when they are allowed to breed.
That could already be seen as unethical, a surgical procedere to sterilize them is a step further.
Thing is, if humans didn't have that control, they wouldn't bother with pets to begin with.
Would that be better for the domesticated species? I would think not, but your mileage my vary.
 
no judgment here, but I'm gonna be pedantic and straighten the terminological record since it seems to be a common point of confusion:
  • removing the reproductive capabilities of a male animal is called neutering (i.e. you neutralized their nuts) and most commonly involves simple castration;
  • the female equivalent is called spaying (past tense spayed) - the term is an archaic word for stabbing/cutting, as it is a surgical procedure (usually hysterectomy, i.e. complete removal of the ovaries and uterus)
having owned numerous cats and dogs over the years, I can emphatically say that it is not animal abuse. abuse implies that you are chronically and persistently causing the animal distress. while having your nuts cut off sounds traumatic as a human, animals are much purer stimulus response machines that don't have the same capacity for situational awareness or abstract thought. a neutered cat does not spend time thinking "damn I miss my nuts", he just gets on with his life according to how he sees fit at the moment. not to mention, the procedures are quick and largely painless, even the hysterectomy - depending on how it's done, it leaves a small abdominal incision that must heal, but it doesn't take long.

spaying and neutering, in fact, causes substantial behavior differences that can benefit the animal in the long run. for example, if you neuter a dog or cat when they're young, they never develop a number of sex-related behaviors, such as territorial piss marking. neutered males in particular become less aggressive and will get along with other animals much more easily, especially of the same species. spayed females, on the other hand, lose the ability to go into heat and become much more temperamentally stable. heat is a pretty stressful time for an animal and god forbid they get out of your yard during this time because they are on a god damn mission to fuck the first compatible mate they see and will almost certainly get pregnant - now it's a whole ordeal for both the animal and the owner.

overall, spaying/neutering is a net reduction in friction with their environment and will actually make the animal happier and healthier in the long run - you might consider it an adaptation to living in human environments. anecdotally speaking, a neutered male cat is one of the chillest buddies you can get, provided you're not too retarded to know how to get along with a cat.
 
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1. It does change the behavior of the animal to a degree.
And? Housebreaking them changes their behavior.
2. There are a few health problems directly related to it.
Female dogs have a much higher chance of various disease including cancer as they get older. Spaying them drastically reduces these odds.
3. It kinda screams "lazy pet owner" in the same vein as people who paid to remove their cats claws rather then spend the time and energy clipping them.
Lazy in what regard? What maintenance do you need for your dogs balls?
 
1. In general, it makes pets less aggressive and improves their mood because they aren't horny 24/7.
2. Those problems are either probably rare or the problems aren't that serious compared to a pet that is unneutered.
3. Firstly, declawing a cat is far much more inhumane to do as it removes their one way of defending themselves, and clipping their nails just makes them so they don't get too long. It's not lazy because an unneutered/spayed pet is going to want to fuck as much as possible, which can lead to overpopulation, and as mentioned above it is better for the pet's wellbeing in the long run. If your pet stays indoors then yeah, it's probably fine to not get them fixed. But if not you are doing your community a favor by having them fixed.
 
Honestly there's a lot more harm done to animals from feral dogs and cats. Cats especially. It's good to sterilize and euthanize them to reduce those populations in a humane manner because the only other option would be a population overshoot and starvation. They also absolutely decimate bird and small mammal populations (although sometimes this is not a bad thing with introduced species like the house sparrow).

And on top of that, the lives of domesticated animals in the wild are very harsh. I think it's for the best to do so, these are not wild animals and have been completely habituated to human interaction.
 
Intact/unfixed animals may be prone to all sorts of hormonally-driven behavioral or medical issues, the only benefit to the animal is that they can breed, and even that can turn into a detriment (the animal may get itself or another pregnant against your wishes and incur great cost, for example).

If you don't intend to breed the animal, get it fixed. If you do intend to breed the animal, make sure you know what you're getting into.
 
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You're almost certainly surrounded by feral cats at every waking moment and the only thing keeping them from devastating the ecology is a catch-sterilize-release program that honestly would be better as a catch-cull.
 
This summer someone gave us a kitten who was following them around outside. She was about five weeks old with crusty eyes. I don't know whether she was orphaned, abandoned or accidentally left behind by someone TNRing a mother and kittens. But she was starving and dehydrated. She now runs around everywhere and has already killed at least seven mice and is my best friend ever. She's indoor only and will be spayed soon. She's a little undersized but is otherwise healthy.

But had no one found her she would have died. Because she was one kitten too many. It's sad but kittens are a dime a dozen and shelters are full of them. Did you know that shelters will spay pregnant cats? They have to. sometimes if the mother is very far along they won't. But it's common practice because there are so many feral cats. Letting more cats be born means less cats will be adopted.

Some lady tried to give me her pregnant cat this summer too. Why? She was tired of her getting pregnant. This woman had a big graduation party so I know she can afford to spay her cat. I saw a cat that looked just like her as a mother and kittens foster in the animal shelter newsletter and the timeframe fits. So I am hoping that's her and she'll never have another litter again.

Please spay and neuter your animals. There are not enough homes to go around. It's more cruel for them to end up endlessly fighting and giving birth.

There's a short story called Free Kittuns by Jim Willisthat I think you should read. It's not just about how horrible it is to let your cat become a kitten factory. But how you shouldn't give kittens away for free. An adoption fee will make people think twice. You can use the fee as compensation for getting the kittens a checkup and shots.

https://www.dogster.com/lifestyle/free-kittuns-by-jim-willis

Free Kittuns”
Copyright Jim Willis 2002
from his book Pieces of My Heart Writings Inspired by Animals and Nature
The sign on the mailbox post was hand-lettered on cardboard and read FREE KITTUNS.” It appeared there two or three times a year, sometimes spelled this way, sometimes that, but the message was always the same.
In a corner of the farmhouse back porch was a cardboard box with a dirty towel inside, on which huddled a bouquet of kittens of different colors, mewing and blinking and waiting for their mama to return from hunting in the fields. The mother cat managed to show them enough interest for the first several weeks, but after having two or three litters per year, she was worn out and her milk barely lasted long enough for her babies to survive.

One by one, people showed up over the next several days and each took a kitten. Before they left the woman who lived there always said the same thing, You make sure you give that one a good home Ive become very attached to that one.”
One by one the kittens and their new people drove down the long driveway and past the sign on the mailbox post, FREE KITTUNS.”

The ginger girl kitten was the first to be picked. Her four-year-old owner loved her very much, but the little girl accidentally injured the kittens shoulder by picking her up the wrong way. She couldnt be blamed really no adult had shown her the proper way to handle a kitten. She had named the kitten Ginger” and was very sad a few weeks later when her older brother and his friends were playing in the living room and someone sat on the kitten.

The solid white boy kitten with blue eyes was the next to leave with a couple who announced even before they went down the porch steps that his name would be Snowy.” Unfortunately, he never learned his name and everyone had paid so little attention to him that nobody realized he was deaf. On his first excursion outside he was run over in the driveway by a mail truck.

The pretty gray and white girl kitten went to live on a nearby farm as a mouser.” Her people called her the cat,” and like her mother and grandmother before her she had many, many free kittuns,” but they sapped her energy. She became ill and died before her current litter of kittens was weaned.

Another brother was a beautiful red tabby. His owner loved him so much that she took him around to meet everyone in the family and her friends, and their cats, and everyone agreed that Erik” was a handsome boy. Except his owner didnt bother to have him vaccinated. It took all the money in her bank account to pay a veterinarian to treat him when he became sick, but the doctor just shook his head one day and said Im sorry.”

The solid black boy kitten grew up to be a fine example of a tomcat. The man who adopted him moved shortly thereafter and left Tommy” where he was, roaming the neighborhood, defending his territory, and fathering many kittens until a bully of a dog cornered him.

The black and white girl kitten got a wonderful home. She was named Pyewacket.” She got the best of food, the best of care until she was nearly five years old. Then her owner met a man who didnt like cats, but she married him anyway. Pyewacket was taken to an animal shelter where there were already a hundred cats. Then one day, there were none.

A pretty woman driving a van took the last two kittens, a gray boy and a brown tiger-striped girl. She promised they would always stay together. She sold them for fifteen dollars each to a laboratory. To this day, they are still together…in a jar of alcohol.

For whatever reason because Heaven is in a different time zone, or because not even cat souls can be trusted to travel in a straight line without meandering all the young-again kittens arrived at Heavens gate simultaneously. They batted and licked each other in glee, romped for awhile, and then solemnly marched through the gate, right past a sign lettered in gold: YOU ARE FINALLY FREE, KITTENS.”

Author’s Note: Each year, since I wrote this story, I’m deluged in the Spring with permission requests to publish it by humane societies, shelters, and rescues, which I happily grant in hopes it might do some good to educate the public about the plight of unwanted animals. Each Spring, we who deal with the tragedy of unwanted animals can only embrace this lovely season half-heartedly, because we know about the millions of unwanted animals who are put to death needlessly in this and other “civilized” countries.

Please support your local agencies that help animals and consider volunteering. Please promote local spay & neuter efforts and trap-neuter-release programs for cats. Please educate your family members, neighbors, coworkers, and members of the general public. Please visit the websites of the national animal-protection organizations, some of which offer free or low-cost literature to distribute. Or create your own (see the appendix of my book for more suggestions and resources about what you can do to help). Of course all animal-efforts welcome your donations, but even the small investment of your time can help us all make a tremendous difference for these innocent beings. And please consider breed-specific and other rescues as an alternative to buying a purebred pet (and never, ever purchase a pet from a pet shop!).

I hereby grant all not-for-profit uses of this story. Perhaps you can convince your local newspapers to publish it along with photos taken at your local shelters, with additional information about pet-related-resources in your communities.
Jim Willis
 
of course it is. you're literally maiming, crippling, mutilating the animal for life.

however, it is often necessary for population control reasons.
if you get yourself an unspayed cat today, then three years from now you will have ten cats, and six years from now you will have a hundred cats. are you able and willing to care for a hundred cats? probably not, so what are you going to do? shelters are constantly overcrowded already, they don't want to take a hundred cats from you, which means you'll either have to kill a hundred cats, or abandon them to the streets. very ugly situation with no good way out.

much better to just have your original cat spayed when you first get her.
 
Did you know bitches technically have a period? Granted, dogs do not have similar cycles comparable to human women, but most dog owners will agree that an unspayed bitch will drip and dribble all around your house. We call that the "period", and it's pretty fucking gross. You may think it's somewhat "lazy" of an owner to surgically fix such a problem, but like what others have mentioned, it more about your pet's mental health than anything else. They're going to be sexually frustrated and end up acting out due to such frustration, and it really is the easiest thing to fix, next to pet vaccinations.

I used to live in an apartment complex that was overrun with stray cats, and unlike other dumbasses, I actually kept my cats indoors. Despite my cats staying indoors, the strays routinely came around our apartment to mark their territories, battle over territory, and mate (if you're blissfully unaware: strays fighting/mating is noticeable and loud, they're screamers). My indoor cats routinely went fucking nuts over this sort of bullshit because even if they weren't hearing the strays, they were definitely smelling them and having to deal with hormonal cat piss scent wafting into their own home, their own territory. And then again, behavioral problems stemming from frustration sets in. And again, when you have strays, you have babies.

I've been "chosen" by a pregnant cat and she's taken up space in my home to have her babies, and then fucked off after a couple weeks so she can continue to be a whore. I've had to trap a feral momma and her babies on my back patio another time, because her kittens were right on the edge of becoming feral themselves. And if you're really not aware, cats are the sort of animal that can go feral and never really come back out of that mentality. This is mainly because cats have not been domesticated as long as dogs. This sort of shit is why some strays are near impossible to trap too, they end up feral and smart as fuck learning what the traps even are.
 
Of course it's abuse, anyone who says otherwise is just coping. My dog still has his balls, I know I would be fucking pissed if anyone removed mine so he's not getting his removed.
"If my dog doesn't have his balls it'd be like if I didn't have my balls!"
"I'M NOT COPING YOU'RE COPING MY MASCULINITY ISN'T FRAGILE AT ALL"
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Is your dog some beautiful purebred with a pedigree and everything? Is he a show dog? Does your dog literally do anything of importance that would require him to stay intact?

Pretty sure it's a "no" on your end, but please, continue to cope. Good luck with the higher chances of cancer!
 
Is it animal abuse to take a living being, sterilize them, deprive them of the primary purpose of existence
for millions of years and make a 'pet' of them? What if you're very kind and do your best to make them
happy?

It's a complicated topic. Yes. It is abuse to mutilate the healthy genitals of animals. And we have a duty to
see it done, as we are killing millions of healthy animals in shelters every year. The 'pet' industry is an
abysmal thing. We're left in the positions of doing the best we can. Thankfully, there are some good health
benefits associated with the procedures.

If another pit bull, english bulldog, pug dog, and dozens of other breeds were never born again, it would
be a net benefit to everyone involved.
 
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