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[Puff]

Okay, so let’s assume the democrats take both of the senate seats in NV and GA. It looks like with the Kelly victory, that current control is 49-49. In a 51-49 scenario, assuming that Manchin and Sinema stand firm, would they be able to use Kamala to gut the filibuster at 49-49?

I guess the only saving grace to prevent their “voting rights” calamity from coming true would be a Republican-held House? Or not, since HR1 already passed the House?

There's been either a procedure or vocabulary error here. The Filibuster prevents bills from being brought to a vote without 60 votes to do so. Kamala doesn't play in. In a 50/50 scenario (after it passes a Filibuster and goes to the floor), Kamala gets to tiebreak. There are some things you can't Filibuster.... Budgets, I think.
The D's already have the senate last election. If they win the remaining seats, we're still deadlocked with no change, really.

 

[MrJokerRager]

Okay, so let’s assume the democrats take both of the senate seats in NV and GA. It looks like with the Kelly victory, that current control is 49-49. In a 51-49 scenario, assuming that Manchin and Sinema stand firm, would they be able to use Kamala to gut the filibuster at 49-49?

I guess the only saving grace to prevent their “voting rights” calamity from coming true would be a Republican-held House? Or not, since HR1 already passed the House?

It's going to be 50 50 again because Alaska is going red.

Question is it MAGA red or GOPe red.

Democrats retain control of the senate.

 

[X Prime]

It's probably going to be GOPe Red (so more pink), and McConnell threw away majority leadership to do it.

 

[LurkTrawl]

McConnell threw away majority leadership to do it.

Which is a good thing because what's happening around the corner is not something you want to have happen when you're the one in charge.

Seriously, seems like I'm the only one on the thread happy with the results so far, irrespective of any shenanigans involved.

 

[verissimus]

Okay, so let’s assume the democrats take both of the senate seats in NV and GA. It looks like with the Kelly victory, that current control is 49-49. In a 51-49 scenario, assuming that Manchin and Sinema stand firm, would they be able to use Kamala to gut the filibuster at 49-49?

I guess the only saving grace to prevent their “voting rights” calamity from coming true would be a Republican-held House? Or not, since HR1 already passed the House?

ETA: I guess there are some things related to procedure that I’m unclear on. Idk, maybe @Gehenna can weigh in? Like, what’s the worst-case scenario if dems get the remaining senate seats?

They couldn't even gut the filibuster as is. Why would Manchin and Sinema choose to gut it now should Republicans gain the House? That's flat out retarded.

 

[Pig Cups]

There's been either a procedure or vocabulary error here. The Filibuster prevents bills from being brought to a vote without 60 votes to do so. Kamala doesn't play in. In a 50/50 scenario (after it passes a Filibuster and goes to the floor), Kamala gets to tiebreak. There are some things you can't Filibuster.... Budgets, I think.
The D's already have the senate last election. If they win the remaining seats, we're still deadlocked with no change, really.

So if a vote comes up within the senate to eliminate the filibuster and Manchin/Sinema don’t cuck (leading to 49-49), the measure is then scrapped because Kamala can’t break the tie? I know that she’d be used to break a tie if a *bill* was brought to a floor vote, but I trust that my mistake was the thinking that she’s used for much else in the senate?

I guess that’s why Biden talked about wanting 52 democrat senators and implored voters to deliver that to him, because those two are a constant thorn in his side.

 

[LurkTrawl]

They couldn't even gut the filibuster as is. Why would Manchin and Sinema choose to gut it now should Republicans gain the House? That's flat out retarded.

Especially after Biden and friends stabbed Manchin in the face.

 

[Kane Lives]

Especially after Biden and friends stabbed Manchin in the face.

Sure looking like a spiteful move they shouldn't have made. Though Manchin may still be dumb enough to trust Biden even after all this.

 

[BasedCentrist]

Stop lying, you fucking faggot your a fucking simp for the GOP and will goose-step over a cliff for them like the rest of the good little faggots. If it came out tomorrow that Trump raped a kid, you would be the first in line to defend him.

Why are you pajeets so obsessed with Trump?

 

[MrJokerRager]

I find the term "election denier" to be a weird term since I have never seen that word ever used before these midterms and the 2020 election.

Bass is leading Caruso.

Los Angeles mayoral race: Bass overtakes Caruso with 4,000-vote lead

Democratic Rep. Karen Bass overtakes lead against Republican Rick Caruso in Los Angeles mayoral race, with hundreds of thousands of ballots yet to be counted.

www.foxnews.com

Trump is angry at the Arizona electoral provess.

Trump blasts Maricopa County after Arizona Sen. Mark Kelly defeats Blake Masters: 'Do Election over again!'

After the U.S. Senate race in Arizona was called for incumbent Sen. Mark Kelly over Republican challenger Blake Masters, former President Donald Trump criticized the result.

www.foxnews.com

 

[Puff]

So if a vote comes up within the senate to eliminate the filibuster and Manchin/Sinema don’t cuck (leading to 49-49), the measure is then scrapped because Kamala can’t break the tie? I know that she’d be used to break a tie if a *bill* was brought to a floor vote, but I trust that my mistake was the thinking that she’s used for much else in the senate?

I guess that’s why Biden talked about wanting 52 democrat senators and implored voters to deliver that to him, because those two are a constant thorn in his side.

I must have read you wrong. The filibuster is a senate rule, not a law, so I have no fucking idea.

Which is a good thing because what's happening around the corner is not something you want to have happen when you're the one in charge.

Seriously, seems like I'm the only one on the thread happy with the results so far, irrespective of any shenanigans involved.

For the party, taking power now would be bad. For my bank account and assets, the R's taking power now would be good.

 

[LurkTrawl]

For the party, taking power now would be bad. For my bank account and assets, the R's taking power now would be good.

How? Serious question, what could they do with Biden in the oval office that would fix anything?

Local is more important right now esp with how acceptable states telling the federal government to fuck off has become.

 

[More AWS-8Q Than You]

Which is a good thing because what's happening around the corner is not something you want to have happen when you're the one in charge.

Seriously, seems like I'm the only one on the thread happy with the results so far, irrespective of any shenanigans involved.

A lot of people are too emotionally keyed up to really stop and look at things strategically. The actual Right in America is pretty shitty at it in general, given our general libertarian bent. Most of us just want to be left alone. This is why we lost all the institutions to Statists, we treat going into government bureaucracy like it's leprosy and the thought of slowly winning over the long term is hateful to us. All or Nothing, basically.

 

[Puff]

How? Serious question, what could they do with Biden in the oval office that would fix anything?

Local is more important right now esp with how acceptable states telling the federal government to fuck off has become.

Actually, you're right, without going beyond anything that could've been expected this election, we'd be in the same position, deadlock. and inflation is actually good for me because of real estate debt and I get cost of living raises

 

[LurkTrawl]

A lot of people are too emotionally keyed up to really stop and look at things strategically. The actual Right in America is pretty shitty at it in general, given our general libertarian bent. Most of us just want to be left alone. This is why we lost all the institutions to Statists, we treat going into government bureaucracy like it's leprosy and the thought of slowly winning over the long term is hateful to us. All or Nothing, basically.

Which is why what little I've heard about Dave Smith and the Mises Caucus trying to reform the LP, is very encouraging. Smith and his Mises buddies seem to have a good grasp on that concept, and more important than anything a willingness to kick out/berate the fucking pederasts and communists.

 

[George Lucas]

How? Serious question, what could they do with Biden in the oval office that would fix anything?

Local is more important right now esp with how acceptable states telling the federal government to fuck off has become.

In America, the Federal government is basically structured to keep the government itself from doing stupid shit unless at least 2/3 of the country agrees to it. What the House provides us is stopping Biden from spending money on his stupid agenda. What the Senate provides us is stopping Biden from appointing stupid court justices.

Deadlock is absolutely by design and it’s working.

 

[LurkTrawl]

In America, the Federal government is basically structured to keep the government itself from doing stupid shit unless at least 2/3 of the country agrees to it. What the House provides us is stopping Biden from spending money on his stupid agenda. What the Senate provides us is stopping Biden from appointing stupid court justices.

Deadlock is absolutely by design and it’s working.

See, I know that already, and it doesn't answer my question. What specifically, right now, could they do about the diesel shortage or inflation with Biden in the office? What you're mentioning is passive, what I was asking about is any proactive measures that could actually help. Which, with Biden at the helm, even if you had every candidate flipped MAGA he still has the power of veto. And as already stated with Manchin being buttfucked by his fwends they're most likely still in a deadlock anyhow, so we're back at the same place we started.

 

[ForTheHoard]

we're back at the same place we started.

Welcome to 2 party politics.

 

[George Lucas]

See, I know that already, and it doesn't answer my question. What specifically, right now, could they do about the diesel shortage or inflation with Biden in the office? What you're mentioning is passive, what I was asking about is any proactive measures that could actually help. Which, with Biden at the helm, even if you had every candidate flipped MAGA he still has the power of veto. And as already stated with Manchin being buttfucked by his fwends they're most likely still in a deadlock anyhow, so we're back at the same place we started.

There are a lot of different arms of the octopus here (including what the Fed decides to do) but the simplest thing is that Biden will spend less of the government’s money and that in itself will help reduce inflation. I imagine some EPA shit will be cut back which may help with the diesel situation as well.

 

[LurkTrawl]

Welcome to 2 party politics.

Look at Europe to see how 5+ party politics plays out in the long run. It's still just two parties.

There are a lot of different arms of the octopus here (including what the Fed decides to do) but the simplest thing is that Biden will spend less of the government’s money and that in itself will help reduce inflation. I imagine some EPA shit will be cut back which may help with the diesel situation as well.

Yeah, and how much exactly? Because just cutting off the spigot isn't going to be enough and I fucking heartily doubt the EPA of all things is going to help anyone, with anything, ever.

You'd need actually proactive measures at this point and there's a good chance it wouldn't even be enough.