On The Origin Of Headmates

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So I figured I would make my first foray into making my own thread and after some advice, was told it would likely be best suited to this place here, Deep Thoughts.

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I was actually drawn to the Farms when I read about Vade and her headmates, and this got me thinking about what seems to be, upon the surface, a rather odd quirk of some of the tumblr crowd, with the possibility of multiple personas “fronting” and taking control.

What I have observed so far is that those with these headmates have some level of creativity, from what I have seen so far is art-wise allowing for these multiple beings to “come to life” somewhat and when they try and allow them to front a lot of these alternatives are rather poor and obviously someone just trying to deflect from issues at hand.

Now as I have mentioned over in the introduction thread I like writing. It’s mostly a hobby but if the opportunity rose to publish or do something awesome I will probably take it. While thinking on Vade and the other unusual eccentrics I’ve found here I realised something;

Myself, my friends and even published authors have had something similar to Headmates.

Note, I do say similar but not the same. What do I mean about this?

Well, back last year on the BBC there was an author who had released another book of a detective/gum-shoe series of novels.

He noted with some incredulity that his creation had become so well rounded that he would find himself writing scenes and his creation, the character, would actually argue with him over how he behaved or even what he said, and if the author has to force through a change that the character felt stupid he had to strike deals with him such as an additional love scene or something suitably heroic to balance it out.

I’ve had similar happen when I’ve been writing characters for a while, if I start to try and make them do something “they” push back and will offer alternatives to how they would behave in a given situation and at other times I’d simply do whatever they ‘told’ me to do.

Which sounds scarily similar to “fronting”.

Friends of mine, complete non-tumblr, grounded people also report doing similar if they’ve wrote a character for long enough. They will discuss, or consider what the character has to say and will frequently defer to them, or find a compromise. Often discarding previous ideas that may have been disastrous to their story because it would have been out of character.

So again, sounds a little familiar on paper, doesn’t it? The huge difference is myself and my friends all know they’re just figments of our imagination, they’re not real, they don’t control us and they sure as hell don’t “share our headspace.”

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This makes me wonder if the headmates thing is thus some form of proto-creativity. They typically attach to pre-existing concepts and characters, ones that are already well rounded but try and give them that “independance” that others who create do. The problem is this is very poorly executed and they begin to ascribe new “headcannon” to the characters, which breaks their established characters.

It makes me wonder if they are themselves unable to properly understand that such creations remain acts of fiction, and because they “talk back” they must therefore be real and thus sharing the same head space.


Just my thoughts on this matter anyways, figured I’d share and see what others think beyond “lol headmates are retarded” we all know they are, I just found these weird parallels interesting.
 
Back when I was in middle school and had headmates (well "healthy multiplicity") it was almost nothing like what you described. For me it was just simply that I would personify different moods and fronting was just when I was in that mood. When I was in that mood a certain personality was fronting. Unlike most tumblrinas though my system was almost entirely novel characters that I made myself and not fictional characters from something else (The exception being Vishnu/Odin who represented flow). I think that it is more a cognitive exercise rather than a mental illness. After doing it it increased my self control because I managed to switch which headmate was fronting and thus shut off inappropriate emotions and trigger a shift towards a mood that is productive at the time. I completely forgot about them at some point but I maintained the willpower I gained from it.

I think that likely doing it with fictional characters (but not mythological characters since myths aren't being written anymore) would result in problems due to character development in a currently airing series resulting in character drift and also mixing this with a recreational activity. Overall I think that it is a completely conscious activity (although they lie and say it isn't conscious) and that is the reason why the headmates disappear so often, I would have about 9 active at any time and all of them but Vishnu/Odin would turnover every month. I think that as a cognitive excercise it likely will be productive but if it ends up consuming ones life through blogging about it or one develops schizophrenia while doing it then it can be harmful
 
uh, im guessing it originates from like, being schizophrenic, but instead of the voices yelling shit like "YES, KILL THEM ALL, MAKE THEM SUFFER" they say shit like "hey, im that guy from sherlock and doctor who or whatever, your a totally rad and unique person"
 
I think you are overthinking- Vade and co used head mates as a means of seeking attention, scapegoating and as part of a pseudo role play fad. They know full well they aren't real. What you're describing isn't anything more than the literary equivalent of an actor getting into character.

Not a bad first OP, an interesting take on a very strange subject. welcome to the farms.
 
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I guess its like a strange deviation of the "narrator" in everyone's head. When people start associating it with a character it anthromorphises into its own identity. Still its kind of.... fanatic and really there's no way to stop yourself from doing it so nutjobs like Vade use it like a vanity flair.

I just wonder if there is a subconscious variety of this. The brain is very complex and we barely understand much of the "id" that goes on in the background.
 
There is also a psychological benefit to roleplay, as it allows someone to explore facets of their personality that they wouldn't otherwise be comfortable with. For example, it may help someone express a feeling that they otherwise wouldn't be able to, because playing the role gives you a psychological buffer against the emotion's full impact.

As for how this evolves into a tumblrism, I honestly don't know, but I would guess that there is some sort of need for positive attention and a community of like-minded individuals.
 
Just my thoughts on this matter anyways, figured I’d share and see what others think beyond “lol headmates are retarded” we all know they are, I just found these weird parallels interesting.

I think it is a degenerate form of creativity, as in without the actual creativity. They don't generally create new characters but just randomly claim to be characters they stole from someone else.

Then there is the added nuisance of throwing in made-up genders, pronouns, and petulant demands that other people respect this nonsense instead of laughing at it, as it deserves.

Even the tulpamancer types actually put some effort into what they're doing and treat what they're doing as what it is, a mental construct with no objective reality.
 
The other problem is that there are an extremely small number of actual diagnoses of Multiple Personality Disorder made each year. The number of fools on Tumblr claiming they have it far, far exceed the actual number of people who have a legitimate diagnosis.
 
I think it is a degenerate form of creativity, as in without the actual creativity. They don't generally create new characters but just randomly claim to be characters they stole from someone else.

Then there is the added nuisance of throwing in made-up genders, pronouns, and petulant demands that other people respect this nonsense instead of laughing at it, as it deserves.

Gonna disagree with you on this one. I think that the choice is deliberate, in that they will choose people or things that have virtues which they themselves desire, or some kind of analog to their own emotional state. For the ones who choose more abstract things like "galaxy-kin", that I can't explain so readily, other than maybe a way to let out their need for admiration.

As to your second point, it's a form of virtue signaling necessary for admittance into the group. Like all angst-ridden teenagers, they want have social clout but are limited to a schoolyard view of how society works.
 
uh, im guessing it originates from like, being schizophrenic, but instead of the voices yelling shit like "YES, KILL THEM ALL, MAKE THEM SUFFER" they say shit like "hey, im that guy from sherlock and doctor who or whatever, your a totally rad and unique person"
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The other problem is that there are an extremely small number of actual diagnoses of Multiple Personality Disorder made each year. The number of fools on Tumblr claiming they have it far, far exceed the actual number of people who have a legitimate diagnosis.
Among psychiatrists, it's debatable that multiple personality disorder is even a thing. Some believe the patient is essentially faking it, consciously or otherwise.
 
Going on this, it might be plausible that having multiple personalities or 'headmates' is just the inability to separate 'self' from 'character', or 'self' from 'narrator' as Valiant puts it. With my little knowledge of the brain's mechanisms, it seems like something plausible, at least.

But with mob mentality and the 'dancing plague' it's hard to tell for sure.
 
There is very little controversy over the existence of dissociative states. The whole "debate" is almost entirely created by abusers.
https://ritualabuse.us/research/did/disinformation-and-did-the-politics-of-memory/
You are referencing something completely different. The debate over DID is a debate over whether dissociative states exist in such a complex form and postulating that patients believed to have DID had simpler dissociative disorders but were encouraged by psychiatrists into acting as though they had this form
 
There is very little controversy over the existence of dissociative states

As Marvin said, this shit is on the fringes of psychiatry. There are many in the mainstream who not only don't think it is truly legitimate, but its therapist induced. It's one of the most controversial subjects in the field.
 
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