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I was considering all of the "we'll make everything up to murder a no-bail situation" and "we'll decriminalize all this bad stuff" and "We won't prosecute for all these crimes" while sitting the parking lot today.

I was watching people, and at one point a couple of groups of black people came by, noticable by the fact they were wearing sports logos and the like, completely out of season for cold weather, jumping around, waving their arms, and talking loudly. Not all black people, but they were VERY noticeable, including shoving and pushing and in general being rude. The people around them of all races just ignored them.

It dawned on me.

A political theorist once said: "If white people were truly racist against black people, they'd quit policing them and demanding they follow the rule of law completely."

I thought about Somalia, how it just came apart at the seams, and a few other places that collapsed or imploded when white people quit policing it and enforcing the laws.

Is that what is happening? With gangbangers shooting at each other being called "mutual combat" and no charges pressed?

That the powers that be have decided to handle the "Negro Question" by just allowing them to go full Somalia, then waiting and coming in and picking up the pieces?

Is that's what's being done with the feral homeless, who prefer that lifestyle and react to every attempt to help them by taking advantage of everything and going right back to shooting up under bridges? Just let them kill each other or die off?

Is this the end of the Great Experiment?

Is this why defund the police gained such political ground? Yeah, idiots were demanding it, but when the foreseeable consequences happened, the communities are just being left out to dry.

Did the powers that be just decide to let nature take its course while they shove as much money into comical bags to sneak off with?
 
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Potatoherder said:
They are already start push polls. As Baris has said over and over LV polls are trash.
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The Never Trumpers aren't exactly bright, pushing this early just means burning money and energy they could use later. But I have feeling Pissdad Wilson and Co are often premature about a lot of things.
 
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Eggplant Wizard said:
The Cyber Ninja audit, IIRC, showed that there were potentially enough illegal votes to exceed the margin of victory. However, you need to take said ballots to a courthouse. They did say that the recount lined up, which means that at the very least numbers weren’t made up.
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You remember incorrectly. All audits of the 2020 Arizona election agree; it was a legit election (feel free to prove me wrong, not using your memory).

I think you're confusing articles regarding supposition, as opposed to the actual AUDITS themselves. This is all noise released to confuse people by those with agendas.
 
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verissimus said:
Yeah, and which people do you think wanted Trump to run in 2016? Oh right, the far Left did because they were sure they would crush them.
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And the grifters and establishment on the right hated him. Now they're all on the same side, which means they either think they can beat Ron or that they know Ron will knuckle under to the party establishment. Nothing against Ron, but it's not the same situation.
 
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ForTheHoard said:
It won't last. If they get DeSantis over the hump, they will immediately turn on him and say he's a 10x bigger fascist than Trump ever dreamed of being. They'll call him a book burner and accuse him of trying to imprison gays. They convinced people that Romney wanted to reinstate slavery so expect them to unload with both barrels no matter who makes it through the primary.
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The big difference is he will take it up the ass instead of fighting back. Of course Desantis will be the new gigahitler, but there will be no rehabilitation of orange mam like with Bush because he is not one of them. The only reason I see everyone and their mother pushing Desantis is because he is considered one of them. He is the roundabout way of going back to the status quo.

Maybe Desantis will surprise me and no be a tool for the uniparty, but I was stupid enough to think Cruz wasn't just faking it, that Pence wasn't going to go full brutus, that Lindsey Graham stopped gargling dick for 5 minutes and that Mitch and Trump had an agreement, yet all those went to fucking hell hard and I grow distrusting by the second.
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Oh boy. Likely republican voters.

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And if this is legit and not cooked polls, well, something pretty fucking impressive needs to happen in the next 2 years or the populist movement is dead. Unlike others I'm sure the democrats will be fine with fucking over the trannies for a few years to give Desantis some wins as long as the uniparty recovers stability.
 
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ShitLurker said:
And if this is legit and not cooked polls, well, something pretty fucking impressive needs to happen in the next 2 years or the populist movement is dead. Unlike others I'm sure the democrats will be fine with fucking over the trannies for a few years to give Desantis some wins as long as the uniparty recovers stability.
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If Trump and his movement can be surpassed by DeSantis thanks to nothing but a red ripple and a few days of negative coverage by the New York Post and Fox... the movement is already dead. There's also a full year remaining before the primary begins in earnest, and it's one poll (YouGov poll is too shitty to even bother including) so I wouldn't read much into it. If the DeSantis 2024 meme is still around by the end of the year then it might be time to worry.

E: Speaking of DeSantis - Sen. Cynthia Lummis from Wyoming literally just told this to a reporter after being asked if she would endorse Trump. "I don't think that's the right question. I think the question is who is the current leader of the Republican Party. Oh, I know who it is: Ron DeSantis"
 
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Oxous said:
If the DeSantis 2024 meme is still around by the end of the year then it might be time to worry.
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There are powerful entities who have interests in DeSantis running in 2024, I won't be surprised if the media continues to barrage people with the idea of him running until they are convinced it would be a great idea for him to actually campaign.
 
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Oxous said:
If Trump and his movement can be surpassed by DeSantis thanks to nothing but a red ripple and a few days of negative coverage by the New York Post and Fox... the movement is already dead. There's also a full year remaining before the primary begins in earnest, and it's one poll (YouGov poll is too shitty to even bother including) so I wouldn't read much into it. If the DeSantis 2024 meme is still around by the end of the year then it might be time to worry.

E: Speaking of DeSantis - Sen. Cynthia Lummis from Wyoming literally just told this to a reporter after being asked if she would endorse Trump. "I don't think that's the right question. I think the question is who is the current leader of the Republican Party. Oh, I know who it is: Ron DeSantis"
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Okay, how is DeSantis "surpassing" Trump and MAGA? Where is this even coming from?
 
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Puff said:
You know, I liked DeSantis until the obvious media shilling for him. Now I'm suspicious.
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It's not complicated: they hate Trump with a passion that burns hotter than a thousand suns, and they want the right spending the next two years on a ridiculous turf war as opposed to working on ways to de-fortify the elections in various states. The fact is, as it stands, neither man has a path to the presidency when half a dozen states will go into overtime and count ballots until they manifest enough D votes from the aether.

Besides, "rivalries" in politics are barely more real than rivalries in pro wrestling, and for the same reasons. Everyone who remembers the 2016 election recalls the wild shifts in attitude based on political expedience, and accepted it as part of the game. Yeah, if Trump and DeSantis both go for the nomination, they'll be archenemies right up until one wins, at which point they'll be best buddies. This is how it always goes. The important issue on the right is to ensure that the nominee has a path to victory in the general.
 
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Krokodil Overdose said:
It's not complicated: they hate Trump with a passion that burns hotter than a thousand suns, and they want the right spending the next two years on a ridiculous turf war as opposed to working on ways to de-fortify the elections in various states. The fact is, as it stands, neither man has a path to the presidency when half a dozen states will go into overtime and count ballots until they manifest enough D votes from the aether.

Besides, "rivalries" in politics are barely more real than rivalries in pro wrestling, and for the same reasons. Everyone who remembers the 2016 election recalls the wild shifts in attitude based on political expedience, and accepted it as part of the game. Yeah, if Trump and DeSantis both go for the nomination, they'll be archenemies right up until one wins, at which point they'll be best buddies. This is how it always goes. The important issue on the right is to ensure that the nominee has a path to victory in the general.
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If Trump isn't vindictive enough to throw DeSantis's general election, his voters are.
 
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Puff said:
If Trump isn't vindictive enough to throw DeSantis's general election, his voters are.
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For some reason people can't get it thru their heads that a large portion of his base are Trump supporters who vote republican. If he had commandeered the democrats or libertarians they'd vote for those parties instead. The GOP thinks if they do enough empty MAGA-lite talk they will just fall into line.
 
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Puff said:
If Trump isn't vindictive enough to throw DeSantis's general election, his voters are.
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Unless the GOP gets serious about de-fortifying places like Pennsylvania, there won't be a general election in any meaningful sense. But if we must resolve Trump v DeSantis, then the fact that the GOP apparently isn't viable at the national level without Trump's particular base should answer the question.
 
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