Business Pixiv bans offensive art -- Including loli

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Furthermore, the rules or policies of Brand Protection for Card Networks transactions for content that is patently offensive, unethical, or promote criminal activity; such as, by way of example and not limitation:
・Sexual exploitation of a minor
・Incest
・Bestiality
・Rape (or any other non-consensual sexual behavior)
・Non-consensual mutilation of a person or body part
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2022年12月15日（木）に、ピクシブ株式会社が提供するサービス共通利用規約を改定いたします。 このたびの改定は、BOOTH、pixivFANBOX、pixivリクエスト機能など決済を伴う取引…

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[Pangolin]

You're all happy now, but where does it end?! Next they'll outlaw criticizing the Emperor. Then they'll install a motor into your spine to make sure you bow deeply enough to your garbage collector. I think that if Tokugawa Ieyasu was alive today, he would say this was very shameful, and dishonorable

 

[Bland Crumbs]

Non-consensual mutilation of a person or body part

So it is fine if it is consensual.

 

[Thomas Talus]

You're all happy now, but where does it end?! Next they'll outlaw criticizing the Emperor. Then they'll install a motor into your spine to make sure you bow deeply enough to your garbage collector. I think that if Tokugawa Ieyasu was alive today, he would say this was very shameful, and dishonorable

Next step is banning thighhighs and ponytails.

 

[Atatata]

Regardless of feelings about hentai, this is going to be as much of a hard hit to edge and horror stuff.

Non-consensual mutilation banned, does this mean Michael Myers has to ask for permission before cutting someone up in fan art?

 

[Zero Day Defense]

I've been thinking, since these restrictions are almost entirely consistent if we're talking illegality and immorality (I'm pretty sure willing mutilation is still mutilation, and therefore immoral/illegal, but I can't muster the brainpower to care right now)...

Lots of people are up in arms about loli-- they're defending loli and accusing those against them of being closeted lolicons (because tu quoque is in no way completely logically fallacious), or maybe they're lambasting loli and accusing every consumer of it of being a dyed-in-the-wool pedophile...

...but you only get that kind of uproar about loli/shota, specifically. If you point out to the latter group that the depictions aren't children because they're drawings of not real people, the response is usually "but what are they drawings of? Children, right-- QED". It starts getting bad when you're called a pedophile for thinking well of a drawing of an adult woman, characterized as an adult woman, doing adult things... who's 5 feet even. Not even a midget-- just, a short woman, when we know that adult women are vertically challenged as a rule.

But where's the uproar for guro? Isn't murder also illegal and immoral? Bestiality? Rape is illegal and immoral regardless of who it's done to. These all involve depictions of people, yeah?

Is it just that loli's low hanging fruit for people needing to assert their morality? Is it that I just happen to pay attention to all the conversations where there's some guy out and proud about their predilection? Maybe every other guy with messed up fetishes knows how to hide their power level.

 

[Kerry]

In situations like this, i find myself confused as to what side i should be on. Sure, i don't consume or support consuming such art. I would lose nothing it these artists disappeared off the face of the Earth one day. But at the same time, i don't support censoring art. I find art to be incredibly important and censoring it to be stupid.

 

[kcbbq]

In situations like this, i find myself confused as to what side i should be on. Sure, i don't consume or support consuming such art. I would lose nothing it these artists disappeared off the face of the Earth one day. But at the same time, i don't support censoring art. I find art to be incredibly important and censoring it to be stupid.

If you don't know whether to choose the pedo side or the non pedo side you need to do some serious soul searching.

 

[Celebrate Nite]

they're defending loli and accusing those against them of being closeted lolicons

/v/ in a nutshell. Anytime someone proposes to ban loli, people immediately get on the defensive and accuse people of being pedos for wanting loli gone

Then again, it IS annoying when loli-lovers are constantly shoving their shit onto other people... kinda like when Furries immediately dump their fetishes on a thread that relates to anything animal related (especially Pokemon)

 

[Kerry]

If you don't know whether to choose the pedo side or the non pedo side you need to do some serious soul searching.

Interesting take.
In my eyes, its more about "Art vs Censoring art" rather than "pedo vs non-pedo".
Every artist that is affected by this change can go paint the walls pink with their brain matter, i don't care. But i still don't agree with censoring their work.

 

[Random Internet Person]

Pixiv bans lolicon . Digibro and Ethan Ralph’s wife most affected.

 

[Aero the Alcoholic Bat]

The banks controlling the internet caused recessions and hosted child traffickers, but they'll stop business with websites over hentai and slurs. People are fine with this.
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Yeah yeah, but whataboutism isn't going to cut it.

They're definitely virtue-signalling here, as the simulated hentai stuff is not nearly as bad as the IRL exploitation they're engaging in. But it's still mental/spiritual poison, it's still horrible, and cutting off the supply of fuel to that fire is still a good thing to do.

Censoring degeneracy is almost never a bad thing.

 

[Secret Asshole]

People celebrating drawings getting taken off the internet by gigantic mega banks who promote some of the most degen shit on Earth. Drug trafficking, human trafficking, money laundering, cartels...that shit flows from cash and all of them look the other way. But they know no one will ever look into that, so gotta take the pretend pictures off the internet. You know, because payment processors should be the arbiter of what goes on the internet or what you're allowed to produce.

Shit that literally hurts no one? GOTTA GO.

Support murdering cartels, poisoning businesses, genocidal regimes, human slavers, the defense industry, mass poisoners, pharmaceutical sociopaths....OK!

Clearly the bigger problem is hentai.

Censoring degeneracy is almost never a bad thing.

lol, are you high? Where do you think the farms stands because of shit like this? Free speech is only as strong as its weakest link and you will see this being used against you and unpopular speech. Remember, nothing being banned is illegal.

Cheering for sociopaths who engage in daily atrocities for money over censoring pixels on a screen that isn't even illegal is the dumbest fucking shit in the world. These companies engage in activities harmful on a global scale that directly result in death, poverty and worse and are also actively looking to steal every penny you have so they can give it to themselves. This is nowhere close to a good thing and is a prime example of corporate power superceding state power.

 

[northstar747]

So I saw a post on 9gag. It was an illistration set in japan and showed people at a part and had cut outs showing a public toliet and I thought it was just something from a kids book. It took a few minutes for me to see that the pervert shit. like a perverted japanese toliet wheres walley.

The comments said pixiv.

Then null mentioned pixiv as a data set for training AI.

Thats all I know

 

[Atatata]

Maybe every other guy with messed up fetishes knows how to hide their power level

I'd say People just don't want to think about how much the violence they like is exactly the violence ryona/gurofags find sexually appealing.
Plus, a good amount of it is women. I remember coming across a pixiv account that was just random male characters committing seppukku, over and over again.

 

[74164978231]

Just a tad bit ironic seeing some of the responses in this thread after whats happened to kiwifarms the past few months.

But where's the uproar for guro? Isn't murder also illegal and immoral? Bestiality? Rape is illegal and immoral regardless of who it's done to. These all involve depictions of people, yeah?

Is it just that loli's low hanging fruit for people needing to assert their morality? Is it that I just happen to pay attention to all the conversations where there's some guy out and proud about their predilection? Maybe every other guy with messed up fetishes knows how to hide their power level.

Its exactly why as much as I or you can find content such as that degenerate, you should never support the globohomos banning such content via financial controls or anything other globohomo tactic. You are very much on the same chopping block as the lolicreator because you are every bit degenerate to the globohomo/wokist.

In situations like this, i find myself confused as to what side i should be on. Sure, i don't consume or support consuming such art. I would lose nothing it these artists disappeared off the face of the Earth one day. But at the same time, i don't support censoring art. I find art to be incredibly important and censoring it to be stupid.

You think the wokist and globohomo types view you any different from the loli creator/consumer? No, you are exactly the same to them.

If anything you should want them to exist because they can be the target instead of you. Creating border/buffer states is probably one of the oldest and universal strategies to ensuring survival of your own community.

 

[Mewtwo_Rain]

The big problem I have is the slippery slope and the fact people in positions of power who do child sex trafficking don't give a shit about loli/etc. art. It's a another way to pressure point a conviction and undermine the original protections of art and free expression by targeting something in a pretending moral way.

They'll say they're only trying to get rid of "pseudo pedophile" art first, that's it. Then they will come after another and harder to defend concept. The problem is when they do that you already gave them the a-ok in the first regard. It may be one part of coomer culture and maybe it should have been stopped years ago, but the intent is obviously not for others well being but a trojan horse into censoring more and more.

Honestly I'm suspicious now when the government made laws prohibiting "realistic proportions" in loli and many sites began banning it they didn't leave the standard loli just so they could use this very method later on. I hope people are right and that it's merely a good thing, because if not all media is about to become stifled and by not holding onto one conviction we've let another take hold and by bankers no less.

 

[Sugriva]

Giga jew corporations obtaining an even tighter stranglehold on the flow of money throughout the world is never a good thing.

 

[ロボ﹏§¤r﹏h¶rœ]

Aside from only doing due to bank processors cutting them off if they did not do this, I always was under the impression that Gelbooru was the better option. Either way, even with loli and rape drawings gone, I hope this does not create a slippery slope effect.

It will, same as on 'international' platforms. It never stops at one thing, whatever the morality police finds offensive will come next. Anime/manga ('depravity!') and games ('violence!') have been targets for these busybodies since forever, they'll ban even 'safe', mainstream properties just to virtue-signal (see: Australia trying to ban the Sword Art Online manga).

Clearly the bigger problem is niche art.

The scary things is that these pieces of work are not something you easily find just by browsing Pixiv, you have to go specifically to your profile settings and tick the boxes for guro and ero stuff. The thought police can't stand it when they are not in control of what content people consume. They are mentally sick micromanagers who are probably insufferable to their family and friends.

Unlike with the pro-loli/anti-loli debates, you CAN'T even make the argument that violent or disgusting art makes people commit such deeds themselves - not in Japan, where violent crime is very rare. So there are people who are into this sort of thing - what is it to you? Why would anybody feel the need to police DRAWINGS?

 

[Snekposter]

Awww man, we've got a serious discussion going on and I wanted to make a low-effort joke about animefags being on suicide watch. Damn you, Kiwi Farms!

 

[Shidoen]

As long as we isolate these websites far away from being accessible to the general public. I’m good with that.