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Even the BBC is giving airtime to it being of unconfirmed origin and that both sides use the same missile system.

Mark Cancian, from think tank CSIS, believes it may be from an S-300 system. This type of missile is typically used for surface-to-air attacks, and has been used by both Russia and Ukraine throughout the war. "Who fired the missile is unclear," says J Andrés Gannon, a security expert at the US Council on Foreign Relations, who agrees that it may be from an S-300 system. "We know Russia has been using the S-300 for ground attacks even though it’s an air defence system, but Ukraine also uses them for air defence against cruise missiles." Dr Justin Bronck, a senior fellow at think tank Rusi, agrees that it may be from an S-300 system, but there isn't enough evidence to identify it yet.

Probably just a miss fire by the Ukes at this point if it is identified as a surface-to-air anti-missile system.
The S-300 has a theoretical maximum range of 120km in ground attack mode meaning it would've had to come from Ukraine or from right at the Belarus border.

Source: https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zo...-missiles-at-land-targets-in-ukraine-official
At the time, Belarus was known to use the S-300PS (NATO codename SA-10 Grumble) version of the system, introduced in the mid-1980s and which includes 5V55R missiles which a maximum engagement range of up to 56 miles against aerial targets. The Naviny article states that the maximum range of the (Belarusian) S-300 against ground targets is 75 miles, being limited by the guidance system, rather than the propulsion.

The only place that is within 75 miles/120km of <pshek village with dumb name> is that tiny corner of Belarus. Seems very unlikely that the launch came from there, it would've been detected by air defenses if it did.

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A Polish journo from some agency called Radio ZET is claiming his sources are telling him that what hit the town of Przewodów were the remains of a missile intercepted by the Ukrainians | Archive

The tweet is in Polish, so here is the Google translation using the built-in function from Twitter:
My sources in the services say that what hit Przewodowo is most likely the remains of a rocket shot down by the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

And another journo quoting Lublin112, a Polish news agency, is saying that are no markings that could indicate the origin of the missile from its remains | Archive

Same deal as before, tweet is in Polish, so here is the translation:

"There are no markings on the discovered fragments of the rocket that could indicate its origin" - Lublin112.

And last but not least important: Marcin Zaborowski, Polish Senate Advisor, is saying that Russia should apologize if it was an accident | Archive
 
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Even the BBC is giving airtime to it being of unconfirmed origin and that both sides use the same missile system.

Mark Cancian, from think tank CSIS, believes it may be from an S-300 system. This type of missile is typically used for surface-to-air attacks, and has been used by both Russia and Ukraine throughout the war. "Who fired the missile is unclear," says J Andrés Gannon, a security expert at the US Council on Foreign Relations, who agrees that it may be from an S-300 system. "We know Russia has been using the S-300 for ground attacks even though it’s an air defence system, but Ukraine also uses them for air defence against cruise missiles." Dr Justin Bronck, a senior fellow at think tank Rusi, agrees that it may be from an S-300 system, but there isn't enough evidence to identify it yet.

Probably just a miss fire by the Ukes at this point if it is identified as a surface-to-air anti-missile system.
The eternal anglo. Not surprising at all.
 
Those are Soviet rockets, and both sides use them.
Exactly. Cruiser Moskva (Slava) was also produced in Ukraine, yet Russia was using it. It doesn't confirm anything. Russia is in fact using Ukrainian weapons :V
Ukraine was a technological hub of USSR, and remained a major player in rocket propulsion even after its dissolution. Russia is still using rockets and engines produced there. Considering they're rolling out T-62's, older missiles aren't out of the question either.

The shit Feline Shill posted doesn't confirm that it's Ukraine's, as much as they/them want it
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Exactly. Cruiser Moskva (Slava) was also produced in Ukraine, yet Russia was using it. It doesn't confirm anything. Russia is in fact using Ukrainian weapons :V
Ukraine was a technological hub of USSR, and remained a major player in rocket propulsion even after its dissolution. Russia is still using rockets and engines produced there. Considering they're rolling out T-62's, older missiles aren't out of the question either.

The shit Feline Shill posted doesn't confirm that it's Ukraine's, as much as they/them want it
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should i tell him the obvious?
 
What are you trying to say? I'm perfectly aware Russia and Poland have a lot of bad blood between them. But that's history, and this is now.
Now it's even fucking worse. Poles hate Russia, even before this SMO they've despised Russians. Saying "there won't be any hope of swaying Poland to Russia's side, they aren't going to forget it" is just plain dumb.
 
I don't believe anyone claimed that.
Well, how about Russian MoD? https://t.me/mod_russia/21781

"Заявления польских средств массовой информации и официальных лиц о якобы падении «российских» ракет в районе населенного пункта Пшеводув является намеренной провокацией в целях эскалации обстановки."
Translation: "Claims of Polish media and officials regarding supposed crashes of the "Russian" rockets near Przewodów is a deliberate provocation with the intent to escalate situation" and the rest of it is just your typical "dindu".

There's of course insinuation from Russian propaganda that Ukraine did it, such as Margarita Simonyan, example already provided in this thread. It's late in the night right now, so I assume by the morning that's going to become the official line on TV in Russia.
 
The shit Feline Shill posted doesn't confirm that it's Ukraine's, as much as they/them want it
OK Astro cum chugger, but that's what your betters will go with. If you think the US is going to green light a NATO action against Russia you are beyond delusional. No one aside from the UK (lmao), the Ukraine and Poland want to fight Russia, and any move to bring in the rest of Europe into WW3 is going to fail, and destroy the NATO Alliance. So no, this isn't the casus belli you are looking for.
 
Do you have any evidence what was posted is inaccurate? I don't think there's any problem with using Wikipedia in and of itself, there's plenty of accurate information on there.
other than to be wary of wiki sources, if both sides use the same missiles, they'll both blame each other regardless of who's fault it is
so unless someone really wants world war 3, all we'll be getting is 'oh the humanity' and 'damn you evil russia' out of this
 
Just a wild guess. But. Russia has been targeting Ukrainian electrical infrastructure. A UA-PL interconnector near Dobrotvirska TPP is close to where the explosion in PL occurred.
Russian missiles hit Polish Przewodow directly at the electricity power line which connects the EU with Ukraine, close to Dobrotvirska power plant in Ukraine, an important energy hub. Map: courtesy of ENTSO-E, the EU organization of electricity network operators.
Some claim overshot AA missile/ AA missile didn't kill the target but knocked it off course?
Boomers in my back yard already baying for war....I ain't gonna die for some old fuck!
 
There's of course insinuation from Russian propaganda that Ukraine did it, such as Margarita Simonyan, example already provided in this thread. It's late in the night right now, so I assume by the morning that's going to become the official line on TV in Russia.
Seems likely. Remember when they claimed the Kursk was sunk in a collision with a British submarine, instead of "A torpedo exploded because it wasn't painted correctly?"
 
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