Philosophy Tube / Oliver Lennard / Oliver "Olly" Thorn / Abigail Thorn - Breadtube's Patrick Bateman.

[ChaChaHeels:BlackOnes]

I ask this because @Middle-aged Meltdown pointed out that Oliver could easily pay for private treatments and yet he doesn’t

He does pay tho! He gets his hormones from the dodgy as fuck gendergp (online only genderquacks, the European equivalent of Plume/Folxs, GGP is borderline legal but only after moving the business registration offshore) and he paid for all that facial surgery in the USA (which must’ve been a lump sum as he won’t have had any US health insurance to offset anything).

He can literally buy himself whatever transition fuckery he wants whilst also profiting from bleating about having to wait for a more basic but technically free NHS version.

Perhaps he’ll eventually have an NHS nobchop but I expect he’ll want a ‘fancier’ version and will go to Thailand or the US for it (NHS knobchops are done by urologists so are less focussed on aesthetics and more focussed on still being able to piss once your urethra has been shortened and re-sited).

Of the UK MtF genital surgeons, one recently died (Thomas), one recently retired (Fenton), one quit trans surgeries but still does other urological work (Morley) and one is very close to retirement (Bellringer).

One UK surgeon who only does private genital butchery is currently suspended due to a half completed GMC malpractice hearing (Inglefield).

That leaves three NHS (Coker and Larner, who both trained under Thomas and operate in Brighton) and Rashid (who is Bellringer’s protégée and is v. popular with troons due to being the only lady surgeon knobchopper in the UK) and one private (Siepp, who seems to be fairly inexperienced and also completely batshit).

The NHS has flung a lot of cash at the troon problem, but they can’t do shit about the fact that almost no qualified surgeons WANT to train to work with this patient group. The NHS pays in ‘bands’ so a surgical urologist who doesn’t do this work will be paid the same as a surgical urologist who does - there is no incentive to work with crazy men in frocks (unless you want to start a private practice working with crazy men in frocks and I hate to think what the professional insurance premiums are like).

This repeats in other specialisms usually involved in transgender treatments such as psychiatry and in related non-medical fields psychology. No one is applying to work with troons because troons are really fucking difficult people to be around and are rarely pleased with treatment outcomes (because: humans can’t change sex).

This has resulted in the NHS commissioning ‘pilot’ schemes run by less-qualified staff, so nurses with narrow additional prescribing training or GPs (hence Dr Adrian Harrop working at the liverpool pilot ‘CMAGIC’). This will hurry up the hormones part of the process but it will mean even more crazies get signed off as ‘trans’ due to less gatekeeping. It will also cause an eventual bottle neck for surgical wait lists.

The 4 currently practising surgeons only crank out around a thousand NHS surgeries a year and trans charities reckon there are half a million UK trans people and even if you discount 300,000 or so as being female and 10,000 already being knob chopped, it’ll still take almost 200 years to chop them all.

Transgender people are famously awkward and demanding patients (even when being treated for completely unrelated conditions) so there is no way that Choob’s parents aren’t looking at their son with barely disguised horror.

 

[Naoto]

FFS this video keeps making its way into youtube's default recommendations on the homepage. This shit is actually trending.

This shit kept coming up on the homepage for me too. I watched 15 minutes of it and all it was him whinging that the government doesn't pay for his fetish fast enough. Well, at least I have a new troon to laugh at now.

 

[fax machine]

Perhaps he’ll eventually have an NHS nobchop but I expect he’ll want a ‘fancier’ version and will go to Thailand or the US for it

If he goes through with SRS, I'll be very surprised. Every change he's made so far has been visible to the public eye — the estrogen, the eyebrows, the mannerisms and voice training, the wardrobe, the name change, the rhinoplasty, the probable cheek filler. He doesn't bother to tuck. His stories about "dysphoria" are vague and weak. He's doing this because he wants to be seen differently, not because of some terrible immanent malaise (save for the agony of walking down the street without being recognized). Inverting his dick wouldn't give him enough of a visual change to justify the financial and physical expense.

Besides, he wants to be a trans woman — not a plain old cis woman. Why would he conform to cisnormative beauty standards? Trans pride! Trans beauty! etc. etc.

Are these AGPs even aware of their actions? If they are narcissistic in the mental disorder way, then can we say that they know their actions are to present a facade for their fetish?

I ask this because @Middle-aged Meltdown pointed out that Oliver could easily pay for private treatments and yet he doesn’t. I think we can all agree that Oliver is seeking the public option to larp as the poor oppressed minority, but does Oliver recognize that he is larping? Or is he aware that he is manipulating his audience to conform to a reality that he knows is false?

He's said before that he's afraid of being cancelled and manages his social media deliberately to avoid backlash. That his current Twitter and Tumblr antics reflect his attempt to avoid backlash is very funny... but I think that means he's self-aware on some level, at least aware enough to play down his poshness and try not to seem rich enough to eat. That's why he takes a few words to acknowledge his privilege but spends another ninety minutes acting as if he needs the NHS. For the same reason, he complains that he can't afford to buy housing, omitting that he easily could if he deigned to put down roots outside of London.

So I think he's aware of his money. But I don't know if he perceives everything else as a LARP. Clearly he has a powerful hunger for recognition, and tales of suffering — transphobia, IPV, suicidality — can get it for him in the short term. People talk themselves into all kinds of convenient beliefs when they "need" to for emotional satisfaction, and it would be very satisfying for Olly, who spent years bending himself into the box of a feminist softboy, to believe that he's actually structurally oppressed and justified in every convulsion of rage as he fights for his life against the system. In such circumstances, spinning facts might save his people. So what if he plays to win? Surely the other side is lying too.

tbh "feeling recognized" seems so fundamental in his hierarchy of needs that I suspect he genuinely experiences the NHS's cold shoulder as an offense on the level of material privation. It doesn't matter that he had easy access to black market hormones. His treatment was the worst injustice — it had to be, because it made him feel so bad. It also doesn't matter that far more expensive, inaccessible treatments are subject to similar delays because Olly is the center of the universe and any suggestion that he isn't is Wrong and Evil and Not Real.

Overall I think motivated reasoning is far more common than lying on purpose, and most of the time lying has to be folded into a narrative of paramount righteousness in order to feel good.

 

[Tombigbee]

He addresses the possibility of going private instead of using the NHS in the video. He says:

“Obviously, that’s very expensive. So it tends to be the more privileged - usually white - trans people that get to do that. And even if you can afford it, that’s money that you can’t spend on a holiday or a house or a wedding. Or it means you go into a lot of debt.”

So, allegedly not getting access to these services puts you at imminent risk of death, but yet he equates paying for it with paying for a holiday or having a fancy wedding as though it’s equivocal. Makes sense. I’m sure cancer patients go thru similar machinations on deciding between the two.

So yeah he could afford to do what he wants but his narc ways probably chafe at the notion of missing out on a vacation, or pretty clothes, or whatever he fritters his money away on, and having to siphon a portion of his paypig monies to something he thinks should be funded by the British taxpayers instead is not something he’s willing to do. And yeah, best of all not going private allows him to LARP and pull rank as oppressed as well. As we know he literally yelled at his Stockholm Syndrome paypigs to give him yet more of their money. And they probably are going to.

 

[Ultrapenguin]

Guys, what you have to understand is that being a woman is super embarrassing.
Do you think a person does all this for fun? If people don't recognize you as inherently infantile/disadvantaged and thus give you things and praise everything you do like a parent proudly slapping their 3 year old's crayon scribbles up on the fridge, then what's even the point? Having put on these clothes and makeup and ruined my body will just make me look silly.

He fulfilled his side of the bargain by degrading himself by becoming a woman, now society has to keep its part of the bargain by coddling him. Those are the rules of transhood.

PS: I see I'm not the only one who's gotten his video in my recommended. YT's really been pushing hard on the progressive shit in the algorithm recently I think, I keep getting recommendations for gender crap and lectures about racism.

If he goes through with SRS, I'll be very surprised.

Contra never actually got the chop, right? If not then I doubt this guy will.

Still though, I could see his drive to be on the forefront of social trendiness pushing him over the edge. The question is just whether or not he can get it done smoothly enough that he's able to suppress all self doubt until beyond the point of no return.

 

[PuddIeduck]

I wonder if transition expenses are tax deductible, as he makes it the focus of hjs videos?

 

[White-Kettle Shufflepunk]

He addresses the possibility of going private instead of using the NHS in the video. He says:

“Obviously, that’s very expensive. So it tends to be the more privileged - usually white - trans people that get to do that. And even if you can afford it, that’s money that you can’t spend on a holiday or a house or a wedding. Or it means you go into a lot of debt.”

So, allegedly not getting access to these services puts you at imminent risk of death, but yet he equates paying for it with paying for a holiday or having a fancy wedding as though it’s equivocal. Makes sense. I’m sure cancer patients go thru similar machinations on deciding between the two.

I mean, he was brought up rich. Of course he’s only ever had to choose between one of two luxury experiences, as opposed to say, a luxury experience or food. Also, gotta love that “white” tic. If a planet made of anti-matter was about to collide with Earth, utterly destroying it and everyone on it, people like Ollie would still stress the disproportionate impact on queer POC.

 

[Cr1ms0n_&_C10v3r]

Imagine if ACT UP put out a video circa 1987 and then Ryan White’s mother appeared and the camera went all wonky guerilla style and she was like “yo yo yo you know I had to do it, you know I emailed Ronald Reagan’s press secretary, babes, tee hee hee!”

I swear this thread is one of the funniest on the site.

 

[Mudkipcorn]

I check every once and a while for toob threads on /lgbt/ and I was not disappointed yesterday afternoon. There were the usual arguments about whether PT molested/raped Contra as well as conversations that used Ollie's insane takes on dysphoria as a springboard to discuss other trans issues. Also some useless banter about what constitutes middle age for trannies. I'll provide a few highlights below but it's worth scrolling through.

Spoiler: The rape, Contra

>>28357018
>toob thread that will be filled with newfags
reminder that the toob has no dysphoria because he is simply not trans. as recently as 2 years before his transition, well into middle age, he was making videos confidently claiming he was cis and had no dysphoria.
the reason why he trooned out was because he is utterly obsessed with contrapoints. they had been friends recently, but the toob was unable to keep his toob to himself and raped her. contra separated herself from the toob, gradually responding less and less to his pathetic twitter whines towards her, and eventually came out as a transbian. It is no coincidence that the toob had a mental breakdown and "accepted her transition" the exact same week contra came out. If the toob could not rape contra as a man, he would do it as a woman. Contra quickly realized this and cut ties even further, deleting old messages, refusing to respond to the toob, and on a livestream even said "i am not speaking to that person any more." Reminder that contra uses she/her pronouns for fucking chris chan but won't use them for the toob. this is because the toob is a rapehon skinwalker.
as the toob transitioned and was unable to satisfy his depraved nonconsential lust for contra, he coped by skinwalking her. stealing her aesthetic, stealing her video style, stealing her personality, stealing her quips, stealing her topics, while everyone celebrated her for being so stunning and brave. it is no coincidence that contra has disappeared from the platform and fallen in drug abuse and depression due to the fact that everyone loves her skinwalker rapist who she cannot expose without bringing more hate towards trans people. It is a truly wretched situation, and the toob still has the audacity to shout her out in every other video when she has made it abundantly clear she wants nothing to do with him.
also fuck his foundation looks absolutely caked on totally got the boymoder aesthetic down with 10 pounds of makeup bestie

Spoiler: HRT is literally magic, /tttt/ edition

>>28357234
You're extremely mentally ill..trannies age approximately 30% slower than cis counterparts, both because we're neurodivergent and because HRT has anti-aging properties, most trannies regardless of their starting age start to look younger than their actual age...you have no idea what you're talking about and apparently haven't met any actual trannies IRL who aren't youngshits I'm guessing

(which was a reply to

>>28357177
in tranny years im being generous by calling 26 middle aged, really its ancient. i firmly believe that every actual trans person figures it out by puberty when their body starts horribly changing and they aren't fine with it, if not earlier
>>28357166
>>28357117
>tube is the type of trender that sets trans rights back years. the type that's trying to demedicalize the condition because they were denied access. meaning: they think transition is a cosmetic choice rather than a biological abnormality.
i actually agree with this 100%. however, the reason why toob made his comestic choice to transition is because he wanted to skinwalk/get to contra. you can't deny how weirdly obsessed with her he is, how disturbed she gets when he is mentioned, how she claimed a prominent breadtuber sexually assaulted her when we know they used to spend time together, how toob started trooning out the same weekend contra came out as a lesbian, how he still jokes about being obsessed with American blondes and loving Baltimore, etc. im not even a fan of contra, i find her to be pompous and out of touch and haughty but i can recognize that she was absolutely done horribly here.

Might add more later but I have actual work to do.

 

[AfghanBlue]

If he goes through with SRS, I'll be very surprised. Every change he's made so far has been visible to the public eye — the estrogen, the eyebrows, the mannerisms and voice training, the wardrobe, the name change, the rhinoplasty, the probable cheek filler. He doesn't bother to tuck. His stories about "dysphoria" are vague and weak. He's doing this because he wants to be seen differently, not because of some terrible immanent malaise (save for the agony of walking down the street without being recognized). Inverting his dick wouldn't give him enough of a visual change to justify the financial and physical expense.

Besides, he wants to be a trans woman — not a plain old cis woman. Why would he conform to cisnormative beauty standards? Trans pride! Trans beauty! etc. etc.


He's said before that he's afraid of being cancelled and manages his social media deliberately to avoid backlash. That his current Twitter and Tumblr antics reflect his attempt to avoid backlash is very funny... but I think that means he's self-aware on some level, at least aware enough to play down his poshness and try not to seem rich enough to eat. That's why he takes a few words to acknowledge his privilege but spends another ninety minutes acting as if he needs the NHS. For the same reason, he complains that he can't afford to buy housing, omitting that he easily could if he deigned to put down roots outside of London.

So I think he's aware of his money. But I don't know if he perceives everything else as a LARP. Clearly he has a powerful hunger for recognition, and tales of suffering — transphobia, IPV, suicidality — can get it for him in the short term. People talk themselves into all kinds of convenient beliefs when they "need" to for emotional satisfaction, and it would be very satisfying for Olly, who spent years bending himself into the box of a feminist softboy, to believe that he's actually structurally oppressed and justified in every convulsion of rage as he fights for his life against the system. In such circumstances, spinning facts might save his people. So what if he plays to win? Surely the other side is lying too.

tbh "feeling recognized" seems so fundamental in his hierarchy of needs that I suspect he genuinely experiences the NHS's cold shoulder as an offense on the level of material privation. It doesn't matter that he had easy access to black market hormones. His treatment was the worst injustice — it had to be, because it made him feel so bad. It also doesn't matter that far more expensive, inaccessible treatments are subject to similar delays because Olly is the center of the universe and any suggestion that he isn't is Wrong and Evil and Not Real.

Overall I think motivated reasoning is far more common than lying on purpose, and most of the time lying has to be folded into a narrative of paramount righteousness in order to feel good.

the stupid fuck could easily buy a house in London. He couldn’t buy a mansion befitting the manner to which he’s born, but he could buy any number of places.

If he reduced his jaw, his smaller face would only throw the thickness of his neck and torso into stark relief. Same way reducing his nose has drawn more focus to the hugeness of his jaw. Proportions can be tweaked to a degree with hormones/surgery/styling/weight change/targeted weight training, but when the underlying structure is that obviously male no extremity of intervention will produce a successful illusion of femaleness.

An ad for the new PT video scored high on r/egg_irl:

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Bonus comment from Princess Abigail, descending from her tower to acknowledge the faithful:

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+ more rumors about Olly's sexually sketchy behavior at St. Andrews in a since deleted thread on r/Contrapoints:

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At this point, I can't tell if it's the same rumor mutating while traveling to different parts of the web or different people independently hearing the rumors from their real life friends. The thread that comes to mind right now is this one on r/redscarepod, in which one user claimed that "a friend of a friend was cheated on by [Olly] at university" and another said they heard "juicier gossip" but didn't want to allege something "horrid" without evidence. Were there rumors elsewhere too? I want to say yes, but can't recall where.

Of course, it's also possible that my memory is inventing more rumors than actually existed because Olly's atrocious vibes make it so easy to believe he was awful to women in the past.

HAH literally what did I say.
That he had the clearest Fucks-girls-10ml-away-from-needing-thier-stomach-pumped face I’ve ever seen.
His face should be beside that descriptor in he encyclopaedia of female adolescence trauma.

 

[EverlyB]

"you just get to make people better!" - Instead of seeing people in harrowing situations they never wanted to end up in, knowing their very life is in your hands, you see people who are otherwise physically healthy who insist this is what they want, who will tolerate virtually any complication, no matter how horrific, figuring that's what it takes to get what they want, who may not regret it for years and (usually) will be out of contact by the time they do

 

[frap]

"you just get to make people better!" - Instead of seeing people in harrowing situations they never wanted to end up in, knowing their very life is in your hands, you see people who are otherwise physically healthy who insist this is what they want, who will tolerate virtually any complication, no matter how horrific, figuring that's what it takes to get what they want, who may not regret it for years and (usually) will be out of contact by the time they do

The NHS is crumbling and here are two completely out-of-touch cunts gushing over wasting yet more resources on a disgusting fetish.

 

[behindyourightnow]

He does pay tho! He gets his hormones from the dodgy as fuck gendergp (online only genderquacks, the European equivalent of Plume/Folxs, GGP is borderline legal but only after moving the business registration offshore) and he paid for all that facial surgery in the USA (which must’ve been a lump sum as he won’t have had any US health insurance to offset anything).

He can literally buy himself whatever transition fuckery he wants whilst also profiting from bleating about having to wait for a more basic but technically free NHS version.

Perhaps he’ll eventually have an NHS nobchop but I expect he’ll want a ‘fancier’ version and will go to Thailand or the US for it (NHS knobchops are done by urologists so are less focussed on aesthetics and more focussed on still being able to piss once your urethra has been shortened and re-sited).

Of the UK MtF genital surgeons, one recently died (Thomas), one recently retired (Fenton), one quit trans surgeries but still does other urological work (Morley) and one is very close to retirement (Bellringer).

One UK surgeon who only does private genital butchery is currently suspended due to a half completed GMC malpractice hearing (Inglefield).

That leaves three NHS (Coker and Larner, who both trained under Thomas and operate in Brighton) and Rashid (who is Bellringer’s protégée and is v. popular with troons due to being the only lady surgeon knobchopper in the UK) and one private (Siepp, who seems to be fairly inexperienced and also completely batshit).

The NHS has flung a lot of cash at the troon problem, but they can’t do shit about the fact that almost no qualified surgeons WANT to train to work with this patient group. The NHS pays in ‘bands’ so a surgical urologist who doesn’t do this work will be paid the same as a surgical urologist who does - there is no incentive to work with crazy men in frocks (unless you want to start a private practice working with crazy men in frocks and I hate to think what the professional insurance premiums are like).

This repeats in other specialisms usually involved in transgender treatments such as psychiatry and in related non-medical fields psychology. No one is applying to work with troons because troons are really fucking difficult people to be around and are rarely pleased with treatment outcomes (because: humans can’t change sex).

This has resulted in the NHS commissioning ‘pilot’ schemes run by less-qualified staff, so nurses with narrow additional prescribing training or GPs (hence Dr Adrian Harrop working at the liverpool pilot ‘CMAGIC’). This will hurry up the hormones part of the process but it will mean even more crazies get signed off as ‘trans’ due to less gatekeeping. It will also cause an eventual bottle neck for surgical wait lists.

The 4 currently practising surgeons only crank out around a thousand NHS surgeries a year and trans charities reckon there are half a million UK trans people and even if you discount 300,000 or so as being female and 10,000 already being knob chopped, it’ll still take almost 200 years to chop them all.

Transgender people are famously awkward and demanding patients (even when being treated for completely unrelated conditions) so there is no way that Choob’s parents aren’t looking at their son with barely disguised horror.

This was very informative, thank you. I was thinking about this issue recently (albeit in the US) because troons on Twitter have been going after Dr. Will Powers, an extremely popular HRT provider in the US, for (among other minor slights) disagreeing that men should be able to change the sex marker on their ID just by declaring that they are female. Troons waste zero time in piling on and canceling any medical professional who actually seems to give a shit about trans people, and the result will be the few remaining "normal" doctors leaving the field and only the grifting psychopaths remaining.

It seems to be a lot easier to be a grifting psychopath in the US, so the care bottleneck won't be as bad as it is in the UK; everything will just be extremely low-quality. Too bad these people are absolutely incapable of moderating or even assessing their own behavior.

Are these AGPs even aware of their actions? If they are narcissistic in the mental disorder way, then can we say that they know their actions are to present a facade for their fetish?

I ask this because @Middle-aged Meltdown pointed out that Oliver could easily pay for private treatments and yet he doesn’t. I think we can all agree that Oliver is seeking the public option to larp as the poor oppressed minority, but does Oliver recognize that he is larping? Or is he aware that he is manipulating his audience to conform to a reality that he knows is false?

No idea. My guess is that some are aware and some aren't, but it doesn't really matter. The motivation is the same whether they've consciously thought it out or not.

I think it's a bit of a false dichotomy to ask whether Olly is "aware" that he is LARPing or not. There's so many different levels of awareness. He could be aware on some level (which is why any related criticism enrages him and must be silenced) but that doesn't mean he's sitting around scheming and planning.

Generally speaking, I think most AGPs (and most trans people) spend a huge amount of mental energy suppressing all kinds of awareness, which contributes to how fucked up and miserable so many of them are.

Ironically the men at the very top of the AGP pyramid (former alpha male types like Kaitlyn Jenner and Martine Rothblatt) always seem to be the most mentally at ease, because they are probably way more honest with themselves that they are living out a fetish.

 

[AfghanBlue]

Z

He does pay tho! He gets his hormones from the dodgy as fuck gendergp (online only genderquacks, the European equivalent of Plume/Folxs, GGP is borderline legal but only after moving the business registration offshore) and he paid for all that facial surgery in the USA (which must’ve been a lump sum as he won’t have had any US health insurance to offset anything).

He can literally buy himself whatever transition fuckery he wants whilst also profiting from bleating about having to wait for a more basic but technically free NHS version.

Perhaps he’ll eventually have an NHS nobchop but I expect he’ll want a ‘fancier’ version and will go to Thailand or the US for it (NHS knobchops are done by urologists so are less focussed on aesthetics and more focussed on still being able to piss once your urethra has been shortened and re-sited).

Of the UK MtF genital surgeons, one recently died (Thomas), one recently retired (Fenton), one quit trans surgeries but still does other urological work (Morley) and one is very close to retirement (Bellringer).

One UK surgeon who only does private genital butchery is currently suspended due to a half completed GMC malpractice hearing (Inglefield).

That leaves three NHS (Coker and Larner, who both trained under Thomas and operate in Brighton) and Rashid (who is Bellringer’s protégée and is v. popular with troons due to being the only lady surgeon knobchopper in the UK) and one private (Siepp, who seems to be fairly inexperienced and also completely batshit).

The NHS has flung a lot of cash at the troon problem, but they can’t do shit about the fact that almost no qualified surgeons WANT to train to work with this patient group. The NHS pays in ‘bands’ so a surgical urologist who doesn’t do this work will be paid the same as a surgical urologist who does - there is no incentive to work with crazy men in frocks (unless you want to start a private practice working with crazy men in frocks and I hate to think what the professional insurance premiums are like).

This repeats in other specialisms usually involved in transgender treatments such as psychiatry and in related non-medical fields psychology. No one is applying to work with troons because troons are really fucking difficult people to be around and are rarely pleased with treatment outcomes (because: humans can’t change sex).

This has resulted in the NHS commissioning ‘pilot’ schemes run by less-qualified staff, so nurses with narrow additional prescribing training or GPs (hence Dr Adrian Harrop working at the liverpool pilot ‘CMAGIC’). This will hurry up the hormones part of the process but it will mean even more crazies get signed off as ‘trans’ due to less gatekeeping. It will also cause an eventual bottle neck for surgical wait lists.

The 4 currently practising surgeons only crank out around a thousand NHS surgeries a year and trans charities reckon there are half a million UK trans people and even if you discount 300,000 or so as being female and 10,000 already being knob chopped, it’ll still take almost 200 years to chop them all.

Transgender people are famously awkward and demanding patients (even when being treated for completely unrelated conditions) so there is no way that Choob’s parents aren’t looking at their son with barely disguised horror.

This is very informative and you should pop it over on the SRS thread as a nice little look over the NHS situation

 

[squirt reynolds]

Damn i haven't been in this thread in ages. o man am i laffin now doe

 

[White-Kettle Shufflepunk]

This was very informative, thank you. I was thinking about this issue recently (albeit in the US) because troons on Twitter have been going after Dr. Will Powers, an extremely popular HRT provider in the US, for (among other minor slights) disagreeing that men should be able to change the sex marker on their ID just by declaring that they are female. Troons waste zero time in piling on and canceling any medical professional who actually seems to give a shit about trans people, and the result will be the few remaining "normal" doctors leaving the field and only the grifting psychopaths remaining.

I've seen some people call the trans subculture an example of a decentralised cult. I.E, one without a formal authority or a charismatic leader. I think this is usually accurate... unless the surgeons are involved. Troons are bizarrely loyal to their butchers, and seemingly the shittier they are at their job, the better.

 

[Clem Fandango]

This video has been coming up on my YouTube recommendations for a couple of days now. There's definitely something fucky wucky going on - I have never watched any of Olly's videos, I've never searched for "philosophy", or other breadtubers, or anything to do with trannies.

So what's going on? This video isn't that popular. It's been on about 700k views for the last couple of days, seems like it's about tapped out. It's got absolutely nothing to do with my previous searches (mainly chess videos and Limmy twitch clips), and Choob has apparently not been "chasing the algorithm". So why am I seeing it?

 

[Tombigbee]

I’ve said this before but there is percent demonic energy emanating from this person.

(This is Oliver’s bestie, ‘Alice.’)

 

[scathefire]

I've seen some people call the trans subculture an example of a decentralised cult. I.E, one without a formal authority or a charismatic leader.

It's not just the trans subculture, it's the entire social justice movement. Not having a leader just makes it all the more difficult to combat, because there's no one "in charge".

 

[EverlyB]

It's not just the trans subculture, it's the entire social justice movement. Not having a leader just makes it all the more difficult to combat, because there's no one "in charge".

With something like Mormonism or Jehovah's Witnesses, if someone learns of enough faults of the founders and current leadership to the point they can't support the organization anymore, their faith in the doctrine inevitably has to fall apart too. But you can condemn, say, the leaders of the Black Lives Matter movement without doubting their narrative of black oppression - they're not the ones who came up with it, and the theory doesn't depend on those individuals being special arbiters of truth.

The shelf is a great metaphor from the ex-Mormon community that can apply to peak transing too. A leader in the Church once said that when she encounters bits of doctrine she doesn't understand, things that make her doubt the gospel, she mentally puts them on her "shelf," things that she trusts will be resolved with time and faith. Indeed, sometimes time and faith would give me a satisfying answer so I could take an item off my shelf. But ex-Mormons say that their shelf got so heavy that once they added a final weighty item, it couldn't handle the weight anymore and it broke. "This broke my shelf" = "this peaked me."

Many items weighing on to-be-peaked gender cultists' shelves are already there, out of sight, out of mind. It's not like a single fact or moment or argument is suddenly going to trigger cognitive dissonance - it's going to free them from all the cognitive dissonance they'd been holding for so long.