Russian Invasion of Ukraine Megathread - Episode III - Revenge of the Ruski (now unlocked with new skins and gameplay modes!!!)

[UVB-76]

I love how the missiles were blamed on Ruskies and than it was the Ukraine all along. A theme in this sorry tale.

I found it fishy at first glance, as the Russians would need to shoot really long range stuff to even reach that far.

Not really, it's only 80 miles from Belarus.

The Russians had two reasons to keep the territory.

Optics- the look of giving up a regional capital, that you'd just annexed, over to the enemy. Bad but that's only if you care what retards on Twitter and the western MSM have to say.

Forget twitter. People in the conflict zone who aren't die hard vatniks will have to consider that they may not want to hitch their wagon to a losing horse. What's the point of greeting Russian soldiers and waving the Russian flag when you know they may have to fuck off a month later? It's not just Russia abandoning the people they claimed they wanted to protect, but Russia actually being too weak. "RUSSIA STRONK" isn't just a meme, it's half the allure of supporting Russia. The French are known for their food, Germans their cars, Greeks for gay sex, the Italians for realizing you can also do it with women, and Russia for being stronk.

If this war drags on for years, and it well may, then one of the more important objectives is not to fucking lose and to preserve your forces. The Russians know with a 100% certainty that there's an expiry date to the west's, especially the American's, support for Ukraine. Eventually it will become too expensive and too much of a political liability for many NATO countries to continue. The Europeans will break first, the coming winter will be instructive and then the burgers because they always fold rather than go all in. Russia simply can't give up, it would mean the end of Russia as an independent nation and the potential breakup of the federation, they've put all their chips on the table.

It's incredibly cheap. Mind that if we just split it 50:50 the yearly DoD budget allocates 350-400 billion to prepare for war against Russia and the other half for Chy-nah.
65 fucking billion in military aid and they're down to T-62s and Iranian drones. 100 billion if you want to add the next 37, doesn't matter. People have said Europe would break any day now for months. We're getting closer and closer to the one year mark. Do the people saying this actually believe it or are they trying to convince themselves?
Russia will break up as a result of the war. There's been multiple off ramps for the war like rigging the referendums in Ukraine's favor or just releasing all Ukie POWs except Azov and say the denazification is complete. Who gives a shit, anyone with half a brain realizes it's an embarassment but the official line is that Russia won and Ukraine got lucky. There would be no break up. But the sunk cost fallacy can rot the entire country when they're doubling down on fighting a motivated enemy with the infinite money cheat on.

I've gone from believing that the Ukraine can survive as a political entity of some kind, probably partitioned, to now thinking they'll be completely destroyed.

So when Ukraine was threatened with the encirclement of the Donbas forces, getting Kiev cut off from the West and becoming landlocked after the fall of Odessa they'd survive, but now that they're kicking ass and pushing Russia back they're going to get destroyed?
Just a question, are you watching the same war as we are?

 

[Napoleon Bonerfart]

So when Ukraine was threatened with the encirclement of the Donbas forces, getting Kiev cut off from the West and becoming landlocked after the fall of Odessa they'd survive, but now that they're kicking ass and pushing Russia back they're going to get destroyed?

Don’t get me wrong, Ukraine is doing OK. However, the Kremlin is about to release their most powerful and advanced weapon yet: The Cope Cannon.

NATO is about to feel very embarrassed over the ultimately-pointless aid provided to hohols. A tissue box full of Western asswipe money… wasted. Sad.

 

[Pork Packer]

We get to watch Russia get assfucked at a fraction of the cost of full US intervention.

IIRC its somewhere in the region of 5% of the military budget of the US alone, and significantly lower for all of NATO's to reduce one of its biggest historical annoyances, that has been propping up just about all the other annoyances to the US and NATO for a century, to an impoverished and easily exploited snow-somalia going forwards.

This is literally the most cost effective foreign policy decision in living memory

So when Ukraine was threatened with the encirclement of the Donbas forces, getting Kiev cut off from the West and becoming landlocked after the fall of Odessa they'd survive, but now that they're kicking ass and pushing Russia back they're going to get destroyed?
Just a question, are you watching the same war as we are?

Nah you gotta believe me, spamming ukrainian civilians with ever shittier missile barrages will totally make them overthrow das judenazi and surrender to russia, even though strategic terror bombing has literally never fucking worked in over a century at breaking civilian morale and instead gives them every motivation to fight harder and makes compromise or negotiation that much more taboo

 

[Beak Thing]

If this war drags on for years, and it well may, then one of the more important objectives is not to fucking lose and to preserve your forces. The Russians know with a 100% certainty that there's an expiry date to the west's, especially the American's, support for Ukraine. Eventually it will become too expensive and too much of a political liability for many NATO countries to continue. The Europeans will break first, the coming winter will be instructive and then the burgers because they always fold rather than go all in. Russia simply can't give up, it would mean the end of Russia as an independent nation and the potential breakup of the federation, they've put all their chips on the table.

The problem is that Russia can't afford to let it drag on for years. They've already lost an enormous and irreplaceable number of young men and their economy is in a very poor condition and deteriorating further, making it increasingly difficult to sustain this war effort. They have a lot of cash saved up but the human cost is the issue .Eventually, something has to give.

In short, all of NATO's losses so far are fiscal, all of Russia's are human.

In comparison, the US found was taking human losses in Vietnam while the Soviets only spent money, equipment and supplies. Casualties for the North Vietnamese and Viet Cong were very high but they kept fighting the US without pause because they felt it was a national war of liberation.

 

[GumballFapper]

That's always been the based position for those who don't live there to take. I generally side with Russia, but mostly in a sports fan sort of way. There are no "good guys" in war, it's just scaled up gang violence. Each side has their reasons, and in this case both see this as self defense. Each side thinks they're the heroes and the other side is evil. Every country is shit though.

That's the most braindead attempt at fence sitting I've ever seen

Both sides are shit guys, one side is literally fighting for its existence and another is fighting because a midget wanted to play HOI in real life, yup, they're basically the same thing

 

[Vexillology]

Is there anything meaningful behind this Prigozhin-Putin divide, or is it just ISW and their friends being optimistic and hoping they can write fanfiction until a coup happens?

 

[borsabil]

Not really, it's only 80 miles from Belarus.
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Forget twitter. People in the conflict zone who aren't die hard vatniks will have to consider that they may not want to hitch their wagon to a losing horse. What's the point of greeting Russian soldiers and waving the Russian flag when you know they may have to fuck off a month later? It's not just Russia abandoning the people they claimed they wanted to protect, but Russia actually being too weak. "RUSSIA STRONK" isn't just a meme, it's half the allure of supporting Russia. The French are known for their food, Germans their cars, Greeks for gay sex, the Italians for realizing you can also do it with women, and Russia for being stronk.

It's incredibly cheap. Mind that if we just split it 50:50 the yearly DoD budget allocates 350-400 billion to prepare for war against Russia and the other half for Chy-nah.
65 fucking billion in military aid and they're down to T-62s and Iranian drones. 100 billion if you want to add the next 37, doesn't matter. People have said Europe would break any day now for months. We're getting closer and closer to the one year mark. Do the people saying this actually believe it or are they trying to convince themselves?
Russia will break up as a result of the war. There's been multiple off ramps for the war like rigging the referendums in Ukraine's favor or just releasing all Ukie POWs except Azov and say the denazification is complete. Who gives a shit, anyone with half a brain realizes it's an embarassment but the official line is that Russia won and Ukraine got lucky. There would be no break up. But the sunk cost fallacy can rot the entire country when they're doubling down on fighting a motivated enemy with the infinite money cheat on.

So when Ukraine was threatened with the encirclement of the Donbas forces, getting Kiev cut off from the West and becoming landlocked after the fall of Odessa they'd survive, but now that they're kicking ass and pushing Russia back they're going to get destroyed?
Just a question, are you watching the same war as we are?

We know what the burger point of pain is. They spent 2 trillion in Iraq over 5 years and 2 trillion in Afghanistan over a decade. Current burn rate in Ukraine, including EU and UK spend, is running twice that of Iraq. The EU nations are rapidly winding back their spending so it will be entirely on the Americans to support the war soon.

The problem is that Russia can't afford to let it drag on for years. They've already lost an enormous and irreplaceable number of young men and their economy is in a very poor condition and deteriorating further, making it increasingly difficult to sustain this war effort. They have a lot of cash saved up but the human cost is the issue .Eventually, something has to give.

In short, all of NATO's losses so far are fiscal, all of Russia's are human.

In comparison, the US found was taking human losses in Vietnam while the Soviets only spent money, equipment and supplies. Casualties for the North Vietnamese and Viet Cong were very high but they kept fighting the US without pause because they felt it was a national war of liberation.

Russia isn't a western nation ruled by women and populated by diversity. Also Ukraine isn't a far away nation across an ocean, it's their next door neighbour and has a large population of ethnic Russians.

Russia isn't going to retreat because it literally can't. It would be like England invading Scotland or the US invading Canada. Even if they lose the war they won't be 'leaving' like the burgers left Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan.

It's weird reading these kind of coomer takes. I assume the people making them are burgers brought up on the idea that war is an overseas adventure. If things don't go well, fine we'll bring the boys home and spend a decade coping about how we really won akshually. No harm no foul and no real impact on the American population apart from the idiots who went.

Russia and Ukraine are in a fight to the death, Putin was deluded to think he could win a limited war against an out matched enemy. I imagine the blinkers came off when the US started sending their personnel to man the rocket artillery and the Brits blew up Nord Stream. This war will end with the complete defeat of either Russia or Ukraine. Those arguing for the former need to explain how exactly how that's going to happen because again they're not going to give up and they're sure as fuck not going to withdraw.

 

[Wasbenzine]

We get to watch Russia get assfucked at a fraction of the cost of full US intervention.

The French are known for their food, Germans their cars, Greeks for gay sex, the Italians for realizing you can also do it with women, and Russia for being stronk.

Why can American 'people' not go a single sentence without mentioning gay sex?

It's incredibly cheap. Mind that if we just split it 50:50 the yearly DoD budget allocates 350-400 billion to prepare for war against Russia and the other half for Chy-nah.
65 fucking billion in military aid and they're down to T-62s and Iranian drones. 100 billion if you want to add the next 37, doesn't matter.

Dear Amerimutts,

Please resist deploying your ZOGbot army forces in countries/continents you have no affiliation to, and without reason (bruised egos don't count).

Yours faithfully,
The entire world.

 

[Napoleon Bonerfart]

Why can American 'people' not go a single sentence without mentioning gay sex?

How else are you expecting to see a bunch of subhumans get assfucked if we don't bring up the homosexual menace?

 

[Beak Thing]

We know what the burger point of pain is. They spent 2 trillion in Iraq over 5 years and 2 trillion in Afghanistan over a decade. Current burn rate in Ukraine, including EU and UK spend, is running twice that of Iraq. The EU nations are rapidly winding back their spending so it will be entirely on the Americans to support the war soon.

The initial spend is much higher than what will be needed in the future since so much involved providing equipment to the country that they didn't have before. Ukraine isn't suffering massive losses of the equipment we've sent so subsequent packages will be for increasingly lesser amounts. The only way Russia can reverse that is find some way to inflict those losses.

Russia isn't a western nation ruled by women and populated by diversity. Also Ukraine isn't a far away nation across an ocean, it's their next door neighbour and has a large population of ethnic Russians.

Glad I live in a diverse country then, otherwise they'd be sending me to a pointless death like hundreds of thousands of other young men. What exactly is the goal of this special military operation again? I thought it was Ukrainian neutrality, de-Nazification and de-militarization? Seems odd you'd annex territory with those goals.

Russia isn't going to retreat because it literally can't. It would be like England invading Scotland or the US invading Canada. Even if they lose the war they won't be 'leaving' like the burgers left Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan.

Then they're completely fucked unless they find a way to get some people in charge who can think rationally. The losses only get bigger the longer this drags on and Russia's negotiating position gets weaker. I doubt NATO is going to be more generous in the future.

It's weird reading these kind of coomer takes. I assume the people making them are burgers brought up on the idea that war is an overseas adventure. If things don't go well, fine we'll bring the boys home and spend a decade coping about how we really won akshually. No harm no foul and no real impact on the American population apart from the idiots who went.

You mean like Afghanistan or the First Chechen War? Russia got its ass kicked both times and just went home. No different from Vietnam or Afghanistan on our end.

Russia and Ukraine are in a fight to the death, Putin was deluded to think he could win a limited war against an out matched enemy. I imagine the blinkers came off when the US started sending their personnel to man the rocket artillery and the Brits blew up Nord Stream. This war will end with the complete defeat of either Russia or Ukraine. Those arguing for the former need to explain how exactly how that's going to happen because again they're not going to give up and they're sure as fuck not going to withdraw.

If this is a fight to the death, why hasn't Russia long since committed its entire armed forces to the war and launched general mobilization? Should be on a total war footing if this is the case.

 

[Pork Packer]

In short, all of NATO's losses so far are fiscal, all of Russia's are human.

Oh I quite disagree.

They are material, fiscal, geopolitical, reputational, AND human losses, and furthermore it has zero capacity to recoup any of these losses even if Ukraine surrenders today.

Russia isn't a western nation ruled by women and populated by diversity. Also Ukraine isn't a far away nation across an ocean, it's their next door neighbour and has a large population of ethnic Russians.

Ya know this really isnt the own you think it is when you are at month 9 (and soon to be month 10) of failing to accomplish what the degenerate globohomo westoid cucks were able to casually do in the first week or two of the various wars they waged over the last few decades from Gulf Wars 1 and 2 to Afghanistan to the Falklands to whatever the hell France has been doing in africa, and against countries on the other side of the planet no less rather than as you say, their own "next door neighbours"

The more you denigrate your enemies as subhuman, spineless, brainless, soulless weaklings, the worse you fucking look when they beat the shit out of you, figuratively or literally

Russia isn't going to retreat because it literally can't.

Im pretty sure there have now been *several* well documented retreats by russia during this war, one less than a fortnight ago

It would be like England invading Scotland or the US invading Canada.

You mean indescribably fucking retarded?

Even if they lose the war they won't be 'leaving' like the burgers left Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan.

Ah so the worry is that Ukraine will start annexing vast swaths of russia if russia doesnt keep bombing civilians to try and force a surrneder. Also im pretty sure the US did infact invade Canada once upon a time and managed to retreat without destroying the nation.

It's weird reading these kind of coomer takes. I assume the people making them are burgers brought up on the idea that war is an overseas adventure. If things don't go well, fine we'll bring the boys home and spend a decade coping about how we really won akshually. No harm no foul and no real impact on the American population apart from the idiots who went.

Well thats kind of what happens when you have a functioning military and dont pick the stupidest fucking fights imaginable.

Russia and Ukraine are in a fight to the death

And it is entirely in the wests selfish, selfless, ideological, cynical, pragmatic, and speculative interests for it to be russia biting the dust......which again makes it utterly incomprehensible why russia didnt realise this.

Putin was deluded to think he could win a limited war against an out matched enemy. I imagine the blinkers came off when the US started sending their personnel to man the rocket artillery and the Brits blew up Nord Stream.

Oh we back to the "russia isnt losing against ukraine, its achtchully fighting against gorrillions of sekrit NATO special forces" narrative then.

This war will end with the complete defeat of either Russia or Ukraine. Those arguing for the former need to explain how exactly how that's going to happen because again they're not going to give up and they're sure as fuck not going to withdraw.

Keep ferrying weapons to Ukraine, keep sanctioning the fuck out of russia, keep generally ensuring more dumbfuck conscripts die screaming at bargain price to the west and take whatever passes for the best russian equipment with them......ya know the shit that helped ukraine retake over half the territory russia stole thus far and which the west has both the resources and incentive to keep going indefinitely

 

[teriyakiburns]

Brits blew up Nord Stream.

I love how this has become an unassilable fact, despite the most obvious candidate being the US (and despite the fact that Russia loves to use false-flags as a way to divide and conquer its enemies). They had forces in the area. We didn't.

When Russians say "anglo-saxon", they mean any English-speaking country. Putin has settled on accusing anglos of everything under the sun because he think it's 1880 and they're still fighting the British empire for control of India.

 

[Wasbenzine]

despite the fact that Russia loves to use false-flags as a way to divide and conquer its enemies

Bad timing with 'trust me bro' allegations, considering Ukraine JUST false-flagged a missile in Poland. Zelensky directly called for NATO involvement over it. Sorry to round rude, but are you even sentient? How can you forget this after 4 days?


Besides, Polish people don't need to be divided to be conquered, they would fold over in a few weeks or days just like they have done in past wars (to either Germany or Russia).

How else are you expecting to see a bunch of subhumans get assfucked if we don't bring up the homosexual menace?

If I wanted to see that I could open up any American pornography website seeing as that's the country that produces and hosts the most pornographic material online. America truly is a menace.

 

[Pork Packer]

I love how this has become an unassilable fact, despite the most obvious candidate being the US (and despite the fact that Russia loves to use false-flags as a way to divide and conquer its enemies). They had forces in the area. We didn't.

Its a bit like how JK Rowling is now a neo nazi rape loving bible thumping republican in the minds of twitter retards.

Baseless and evidence-free accusations get repeated en-masse in a short space of time which turns it into "fact" and made official by shitty partisan media wanting to cash in to the retard parade.

When Russians say "anglo-saxon", they mean any English-speaking country. Putin has settled on accusing anglos of everything under the sun because he think it's 1880 and they're still fighting the British empire for control of India.

I suspect its part of the "lean into the fringe conspiracy retard and schizo demographic so that they rise up and overthrow western gubmints and ally with us" pattern we have seen from russia, which is fully in line with its blithe and frankly hilarious ignorance of actual western society and attitudes during the cold war which led it to assume that it could guarantee its victory by openly funding and feting various far left nobodies or groups of nobodies in the "peace movement" and hoping this translated to said nobodies either taking high office or kicking off successful revolutions in the west.

Foaming at the mouth about das perfidious anglo and fuming over how bongland directly or indirectly screwed over various schizo-beloved authoritarian despots, theocracies, and two bit empires over the centuries is textbook fringe conspiracy retard fodder

 

[teriyakiburns]

Bad timing with 'trust me bro' allegations, considering Ukraine JUST false-flagged a missile in Poland. Zelensky directly called for NATO involvement over it. Sorry to round rude, but are you even sentient? How can you forget this after 4 days?

Zelensky calls for NATO involvement every time he trips on the stairs. His spouting off before the full facts are known isn't unusual. It's also not a false flag.

 

[mindlessobserver]

Is there anything meaningful behind this Prigozhin-Putin divide, or is it just ISW and their friends being optimistic and hoping they can write fanfiction until a coup happens?

I think its more Prigozhin is reminding Putin that "You need me". Oligarchs who become too powerful tend to end up drinking radioactive tea or getting incurable cases of HIV.

 

[Wasbenzine]

Zelensky calls for NATO involvement every time he trips on the stairs. His spouting off before the full facts are known isn't unusual.

I don't see your point... you're saying that the corrupt Zelensky's lies can be excused because he has a proven track record of lying in the past? Your argument is incredibly weak. Two wrongs don't make a right.
Whatever, believe what you want to believe, it's your goy dollars he's grifting from you. A fool and his money are easily parted.

It's also not a false flag.

Quick recap: missile landed in Poland, was reported by many major news outlets to be Russian with loaded statements about escalation involving NATO: it later transpired (quietly) that the missile was in fact Ukrainian. Textbook false flag, look up the definition if you don't know what it means, silly goy. Next you're going to tell me water isn't wet.

 

[mindlessobserver]

Why does anyone here expect consistency? Russia and NATO are not friends. Controlling the messaging about enemies and allies is an important component of war. Everyone lies, everyone deflects. The only appreciable difference is Russia has to lie and deflect more then NATO or Ukraine.

 

[biozeminadae1]

If I wanted to see that I could open up any American pornography website seeing as that's the country that produces and hosts the most pornographic material online. America truly is a menace.

I thought it was Japan and Korea.

 

[Pork Packer]

Why does anyone here expect consistency? Russia and NATO are not friends. Controlling the messaging about enemies and allies is an important component of war. Everyone lies, everyone deflects. The only appreciable difference is Russia has to lie and deflect more then NATO or Ukraine.

Also no matter how you slice it, "trying to defend against mass missile bombardment aimed at civilian targets and accidentally causing collateral damage" is something a whole lot more forgivable than "target mass missile bombardment against civilian targets and accidentally hit the wrong country" which is why when the latter was suspected there was a whole lot more outrage than when the former became more likely

Same reason a lady accidentally running someone over while trying to escape a meth'd up rapist is going to be judged less harshly than a meth'd up rapist running someone over while chasing down a fleeing lady