Russian Invasion of Ukraine Megathread - Episode III - Revenge of the Ruski (now unlocked with new skins and gameplay modes!!!)

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We know what the burger point of pain is. They spent 2 trillion in Iraq over 5 years and 2 trillion in Afghanistan over a decade.
And countless issues regarding vets and their families. The burger point of pain was the most pro-war group getting burned out from the war not in a financial sense but right at home, coinciding with a Democrat president and scandals like Wikileaks.
Current burn rate in Ukraine, including EU and UK spend, is running twice that of Iraq.
Which doesn't matter. Russia isn't an Islamic terror cell. They can't disband and reform or go underground and run their operations for pennies a day. The issue with a burn rate in Iraq is that it costs millions of dollars a day to make sure an inbred retard isn't blowing himself up in a crowded market. On the other hand, Russia has to supply and feed hundreds of thousands of troops along with running an entire country. Your burn rate argument makes no sense when it's Russia that's spending a greater portion of their GDP in the war than the West is.
Russia isn't a western nation ruled by women and populated by diversity. Also Ukraine isn't a far away nation across an ocean, it's their next door neighbour and has a large population of ethnic Russians.
Russia can't even beat their next door neighbor, and them not having women in charge isn't exactly winning the war, is it?
Russia isn't going to retreat because it literally can't. It would be like England invading Scotland or the US invading Canada.
Friendly reminder that countries that have had wars with their neighbors for centuries still exist to this day.
If things don't go well, fine we'll bring the boys home and spend a decade coping about how we really won akshually. No harm no foul and no real impact on the American population apart from the idiots who went.
The problem is that insisting on a semblance of victory will break Russia. It's not the matter of being an adventure or "no harm no foul", it's that doubling down will only bring Russia closer to collapse. Even if it were a collapse. Would you rather have people collectively figuring out the project didn't work and just fade into the night like the Soviet Union, or the powder keg detonating under the pressure of economic issues, massive death counts and racial conflict over who's carrying the burden of the war?
Russia and Ukraine are in a fight to the death, Putin was deluded to think he could win a limited war against an out matched enemy. I imagine the blinkers came off when the US started sending their personnel to man the rocket artillery and the Brits blew up Nord Stream.
There was no limited war as they came out swinging with their Aliexpress version of Shock & Awe on day one, and the American servicemen is literally a cope. The literal meaning of the expression "coping mechanism", the vatnik mind will explode upon realizing the subhuman Ukrainian was able to beat the mighty Russian. So they came up with the tale of the Black American BVLL causing the Balakliia retreat and showing off Malcom Nance on TV as if he's not a press officer or some gay shit like that.
This war will end with the complete defeat of either Russia or Ukraine. Those arguing for the former need to explain how exactly how that's going to happen because again they're not going to give up and they're sure as fuck not going to withdraw.
Then I guess the dissident right and tankies will fight Ukraine to the last Russian.
Why can American 'people' not go a single sentence without mentioning gay sex?
Apply the same standard to vatniks and ru-shills and trannies. Bonus points if they post the picture of that surgeon general or whatever.
 
Russia isn't a western nation ruled by women and populated by diversity. Also Ukraine isn't a far away nation across an ocean, it's their next door neighbour and has a large population of ethnic Russians.
You are right about that. Russia is a gas station with nuclear weapons.

Russia has not fought a great power war in almost a century, and the lack of experience shows. The Russian Army knows how to stomp uppity republics in the Caucuses. It does not know how to conduct a combined arms invasion of another country with a 2,000 kilometer long front line. The entire story of this war for the last 9 months has been Russia trying to relearn how to do this. For Fucks sake, they didn't even have an overall commander for the entire operation until 3 months ago! That alone is a recipe for a disaster, especially in an Army that requires a General to give permission for his field officers to take a shit.

You are also delusional if the Russia of today is anyway capable of doing a repeat of World War 2 where society can bear any burden, make any sacrifice for victory. For starters, that was a defensive war and not a war of choice. Further, Russia back then was an authoritarian state that could and did shoot anyone who was even suspected of not doing their part . It also had access to vast swaths of slave labor and colonized resource fields to draw on, as well as an open check book from the United States. Russia would have starved in World War 2 had the US not quite literally kept them fed. Much of their productive farmland (Ukraine) was overrun by the Germans and/or destroyed. All their workers were also fighting. Nobody was there to tend the fields, so if all that Midwestern US Wheat and Corn had not showed up shit would have been ugly.

What does Russia have today? Nobody, not even their "allies" have an open checkbook for them. If Russia wants anything its being forced to pay through the nose in money (it does not have) and concessions. Its having to sell its oil to India and China well below market rates. It's having to pay North Korea extortionate rates for their rockets, while their most productive workers are either fleeing the country or getting drafted into mobik units. Its doing all this while cut off from the larger global economy, which is a catastrophe for an export oriented extraction economy.

Everyone knows Russia is going to break. Its only a question of when, and how badly.
 
They are material, fiscal, geopolitical, reputational, AND human losses, and furthermore it has zero capacity to recoup any of these losses even if Ukraine surrenders today.

The total number of Westerners, that have frozen or starved to death as a result of supporting Ukraine is exactly zero.
 
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The total number of Westerners, that have frozen or starved to death as a result of supporting Ukraine is exactly zero.
Methinks some early COVID style "list everyone who dies of any cause whatsoever as dying because their gubmints supported russia and thus had zero ability to provide fuel to their citizens" counting will be in effect, likely propped up by some good old fashioned "they are just covering up the TRUE death toll I promise guiz" cope

I genuinely hate to use this cancerous fucking forced fake meme but....
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Bad timing with 'trust me bro' allegations, considering Ukraine JUST false-flagged a missile in Poland.

While this is difficult for a species born with fetal alcohol syndrome to understand, there is a difference between staging a terrorist activity, and plausibly misfired anti artillery.
 
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The total number of Westerners, that have frozen or starved to death as a result of supporting Ukraine is exactly zero.
If any do freeze to death, it will be the result of decades of mismanagement, corruption and graft by their governments and nothing to do with Ukraine or Russia. The current energy shortages are caused by western governments believing that they can produce energy from nothing and relying on Russian gas as a crutch for their green fantasies. If they had implemented robust, realistic energy policies 20 years ago, instead of embarking on a fantasy of supplying their national energy needs from unicorn farts and leprechaun juice, Russia would never have had its leverage over central and western europe and wouldn't have had the funds to embark on Putin's dreams of empire.
 
If any do freeze to death, it will be the result of decades of mismanagement, corruption and graft by their governments and nothing to do with Ukraine or Russia. The current energy shortages are caused by western governments believing that they can produce energy from nothing and relying on Russian gas as a crutch for their green fantasies. If they had implemented robust, realistic energy policies 20 years ago, instead of embarking on a fantasy of supplying their national energy needs from unicorn farts and leprechaun juice, Russia would never have had its leverage over central and western europe and wouldn't have had the funds to embark on Putin's dreams of empire.

Russia was one of the anti-nuclear lobbies in Europe
 
That's always been the based position for those who don't live there to take. I generally side with Russia, but mostly in a sports fan sort of way. There are no "good guys" in war, it's just scaled up gang violence. Each side has their reasons, and in this case both see this as self defense. Each side thinks they're the heroes and the other side is evil. Every country is shit though.

Well, I have friend who are citizens on both ends. Anyway, it is not just that: Even they have pointed out that Zelensky and Putin have stopped giving a shit about the lives of the average person, and are now just trying to see who has the bigger dick. Combined with Ukraine sucking money from the USA and other Western countries, I am losing my sympathy for the nation.
 
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Why does anyone here expect consistency? Russia and NATO are not friends. Controlling the messaging about enemies and allies is an important component of war. Everyone lies, everyone deflects. The only appreciable difference is Russia has to lie and deflect more then NATO or Ukraine.

Is that the best you can do?

Yes everyone lies which is why anyone with a functioning brain wouldn't be too involved in this conflict and would definitely not be up for spending vast sums in defense of poor old Ukraine.
 

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Well, I have friend who are citizens on both ends. Anyway, it is not just that: Even they have pointed out that Zelensky and Putin have stopped giving a shit about the lives of the average person, and are now just trying to see who has the bigger dick. Combined with Ukraine sucking money from the USA and other Western countries, I am losing my sympathy for the nation.

You have to consider the currency of war (lives) at a macro level.
 
Not worth the time for such efforposts to be honest.
There is literally no information that could change minds that are pursuing a propagandistic goal. Even in loss, they'd still have to perform their job and switch discussion to another narrative that's more advantageous, it's how things work.
 
Funding Ukraine is an absolutely incredible investment if ur aim is to neuter russias conventional capabilities.
For a low cost, Russia is getting severely weakened, if it werent for their nuclear weapons they wouldnt be able to protect their borders

Whether you think this was planned by the west or just a reactionary tale, its quite incredible. The historical rival of the west is getting destroyed and demilitarized with a fraction of the cost a regular war would land at

Regardless of the outcome, the west wins
And the US can now focus their attention in asia, Russia is barely a conventional threat anymore

I mean, they're rolling out T-62s for christ sake
 
Funding Ukraine is an absolutely incredible investment if ur aim is to neuter russias conventional capabilities.
For a low cost, Russia is getting severely weakened, if it werent for their nuclear weapons they wouldnt be able to protect their borders
Hardly low-cost when you're talking close to a tens of billions of dollars. Hundreds of hospitals and staff, massive investment in infrastructure, huge amounts ploughed into research and the USA's own technology field. Or maybe just call it part of some fiscal responsibility given that the USA printed several trillion dollars in just the last few years devaluing people's savings drastically.

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Pretty much take your pick. All things that benefit Americans far more than geopolitical advantage against a nation which, lets be frank here, is no threat to the USA nor the EU. US Neocons, arms industry are the primary beneficiaries here. Subsidised by the US taxpayers. If a hundred billion dollars in cash and military equipment is a "bargain" then maybe that's actually an indictment of US military spending. Only the very wealthy in the USA benefit from this bankrolling of the Ukraine. And it's trashing the economy of Europe who have been pressured and levered by the USA into cutting off their own energy supplies. As the Eurozone tips into recession joblessness will soar and with that comes predictable deaths and social breakdown that comes with it.

Of course I'm thinking in terms of your own mindset which is based around money. Most people would consider the tens of thousands of lives being lost as the real cost. Which is anything but low.

WE in the West told Zelensky not to negotiate. We in the West backed and pushed the policies that helped bring this about. Wars tend to spread and not fade away quietly. The "cost" of this war will be felt for generations and who knows how far this war will spread. There is no guarantee it wont spread to other countries. The USA is openly pushing for a Russian collapse. And they seem happy for Germany and other countries to be caught up in that as well.

Calling this war a bargain in any sense is disgusting to me. And I've no shame in saying so. Nor am I so simplistic in my understanding of politics that I don't think US foreign policy has a big hand in how we got here.
 
Russia was one of the anti-nuclear lobbies in Europe

Russia was the anti-nuclear lobbyist and nearly every anti nuclear weapon or power plant organisation in the West has origins with them.

My favourite is reading about someone who gave up on CND because one of its then leaders said the Soviets could keep theirs as it was "the workers bomb" while everyone else's was evil, fascistic and imperialistic.

The problem is too many of those morons slipped the net and began dictating actual policy instead of being screened out.
 
No holhols, you cannot take our Mexicans, stop using underage hoholinas to bait them, that's a step too far.
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You can have the Hondurans instead.

Commitment to NATO: Restored
That's cute way of saying "Too chickenshit to war with Russia directly".
Russian military confidence: Destroyed
lol no this is pure cope
Russian military deaths: Greater than US/Coalition deaths in GWOT in less than 1 year
Oh right, fighting goatfuckers in man dresses and sandals so hard! btw America lost.

The USA literally got BTFO by goatfuckers in man dresses in both Iraq and Afghanistan.
Russian material losses: 8000+ as of writing
US, NATO Deaths: 0
>thinks NATO is an actual party to this clusterfuck kek

I know its your personal headcanon glorious NATO is fighting WW3 against the USSR but no such thing ever happened, is happening or is going to happen.
 
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