Culture ‘She Said’ Bombs: Why Aren’t Awards Season Movies Resonating With Audiences? - Make Movies Fun Again

Quentin Tarantino has been blunt about the state of the movie business. On a recent episode of the director’s “Video Archives Podcast,” the man who helped usher in the golden age of indie film with “Pulp Fiction” declared this to be “the worst era in Hollywood history” matched only by other such nadirs as the 1950s and ’80s.

“The good thing about being in a bad era of Hollywood cinema is (the films) that don’t conform [are] the ones that stand out from the pack,” he added.

And that may be the case. The problem is that this crop of non-conformists may no longer have a commercial reason for existing, at least as theatrical propositions.

Take “She Said,” a sturdily made look at the pair of crusading New York Times journalists who helped expose Harvey Weinstein’s decades of sexual harassment and assault. The film earned strong reviews and awards buzz, but the Universal Pictures release bombed last weekend, opening to a dismal $2.2 million from 2,022 theaters. That ranks as one of the worst results for a major studio release in history.

Part of the problem, observers say, is that the movie’s searing look at an abuse of power may not have been what audiences were hoping to see at a time when the headlines are — let’s be honest — pretty bleak. From Ukraine to the economy, there’s a lot to be upset about.

“It’s a tough sell,” says Shawn Robbins, chief analyst with Boxoffice Pro. “People are looking for escapism right now. Even adult audiences are looking for something that takes them away from reality.”

“She Said” has a lot of company when it comes to well-reviewed movies that have collapsed on the shoals of audience indifference. One by one, this year’s crop of Oscar contenders have flopped or, at best, under-performed. There’s “Tár,” a drama about sexual harassment in the world of classical music that has eked out $4.9 million in seven weeks of release; “Armageddon Time,” a coming-of-age film that has only managed to generate $1.8 million after a month in theaters; and “Triangle of Sadness,” a satirical look at the one-percent that has crawled to a $3.8 million gross since opening in mid-October. “The Banshees of Inisherin” and “Till” have done slightly better, earning $7.1 million and $8.5 million, respectively, but their results aren’t exactly igniting the box office; they both will likely struggle to turn a profit in their theatrical runs.

“Across the board, it’s a scary time for prestige films,” says Jeff Bock, an analyst with Exhibitor Relations. “We may be witnessing a sea change in cinema. Ultimately, audiences decide what gets made and right now audiences aren’t choosing to watch these films in theaters.”

Privately, studio executives point to a number of culprits. They say this year’s awards films are too arty, too depressing, too lacking in A-list talent to convince crowds to show up. And they note that there have been success stories earlier in the year — notably “Elvis,” which was aimed at adults and earned an impressive $286 million globally, and “Everything Everywhere All at Once,” a multiverse head trip that has racked up $103 million worldwide while being perceived as artistically bold. But those films didn’t have to compete with a glut of other prestige fare, which could be further fracturing an already shrinking audience base, one that may be wary of hitting up cinemas during COVID.

“There’s a lot of films chasing an audience that may be a little reticent about returning to theaters,” says Paul Dergarabedian, senior media analyst for Comscore. “It may be a little too much of a good thing.”

It’s not all gloom and doom. “The Menu,” a horror comedy set in the world of haute cuisine, did debut this weekend to a solid $9 million. But it benefited from being associated with a genre that is doing well at the box office (just look at recent horror hits such as “Smile” and “Barbarian”), and had an audience that skewed younger. The bulk of ticket buyers to “The Menu” were under 35 years old, while the majority of audience members for ‘She Said” were over 45 years old.

There are several more films that are about to brave this harsh environment for prestige fare. Among those hoping to defy the odds are “Bones and All,” a cannibal romance with Timothée Chalamet that opened in limited release; “The Fabelmans,” Steven Spielberg’s semi-autobiographical exploration of his childhood; and “Babylon,” a sprawling examination of the silent era of Hollywood that boasts turns by Brad Pitt and Margot Robbie. “The Fabelmans,” for instance, may prove to be just heart-warming enough to become a must-see for families over the holiday season, but even that movie, from one of the entertainment industry’s most-successful filmmakers, faces substantial headwinds. As for “Bones and All,” it may be too idiosyncratic to draw crowds, while “Babylon” could suffer from the divisive reaction it received in early screenings.

Movie studios have always been risk averse, but their appetite for taking big swings has only diminished in recent years. First, streaming services like Netflix and Amazon got into the game, providing homes for passion projects by the likes of Martin Scorsese and Alfonso Cuarón and conditioning consumers to watch these movies in their homes. Then, a wave of corporate consolidation, some of it triggered by traditional media players’ urgent need to bulk up for the streaming wars, has resulted in fewer independent studios to produce theatrical releases. It’s also left their corporate parents with a lot of debt, making them more hesitant to greenlight the next historical drama or esoteric Bildungsroman at a time when they need to clean up their balance sheets. All of this coincided with a pandemic that shuttered cinemas for nearly a year and still refuses to die off, as well as record inflation and a looming recession that have left people making tough choices about what to do with their dwindling discretionary resources.

So unless movies like “She Said” start performing better at the box office, a whole sector of the theatrical movie business may be imperiled. Something needs to change fast.

 
yeah weird how the one genre that's still trying to do fun shit and not getting bogged down with socjus ideological diarrhea is the one that's consistently doing well. let's see, do I want to spend my ridiculously expensive theater visit on a dramatic retelling of a news media orgy involving a bunch of annoying people, or a slasher/thriller with a fun hook that only needs about 60 seconds of trailer time to get you curious?

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Movies where naked women get dismembered by a clown are a proven box office winner, but Hollywood refuses to listen to what regular Joes want
 
Privately, studio executives point to a number of culprits. They say this year’s awards films are too arty, too depressing, too lacking in A-list talent to convince crowds to show up.
Meh. I think the escapism argument is fair enough, but I think people are just less interested in going to the cinema to see movies that gives little reason to do so. Why go to the cinema to see some depressing drama? I can't see why.

But the biggest problem with these examples is that.....who the fuck would be interested in seeing a movie about how Harvey Weinstein was exposed in the first place? I can't imagine a more uninteresting subject. The problem here is out of touch film creators.
 
"Ah man, my artsy film had way less views than FAST AND FURIOUS 10 - MOON ANUS and it's not FAAAAAIIIIRRRRR!"

Imagine not thinking that most Americans are retarded and want Golan/Globus films. Like, if your movie is really good and is insightful, beautiful, whatever - then shit, it will be remembered for all time, but it may not sell the best. That's ok. I would rather have a mid-success and be considered a genius in my three multi-millionaire dollar penthouse than some asshole faggot who put out another capeshit film and spoonfed the retarded in my twelve multi-million dollar homes.

A nigga only really needs, like, one decent home and a semi-hot wife. Anything else is just overkill.
 
I haven't heard of a single one of these. The Menu sounds like a black comedy version of Cadaver. I like the sound of that. The Banshees of Inisherin sounds interesting. The other stuff I don't really care about.

C'mon, the Weinstein thing is recent history and his story isn't even over. It's a bullshit cash grab.

I'm also beyond tired of seeing rape in dramas.

Me too. Ironically. This isn't Lifetime. Same thing with childbirth. They think that these are the two things that resonate most with women and it's insulting. There's no reason to make a movie about that fat fuck right now. Cash grab indeed.

I'm having trouble quoting right now but someone else mentioned that Oscar bait rarely resonates with audiences. It's true. There haven't been many cases where I saw the list of films and thought any were all that special to me in recent years. And the few ones I liked such as The Irishman and 1917 didn't win. And we all know Moonlight was a diversity win. It hit those queer and POC boxes. I haven't seen it and maybe it's a good movie. But Bob Dobbs from Idaho doesn't want to see it and it's not something you'd take the kids to.

Anything too artsy won't resonate well with Joe Public. He needs to be able to relate in some way or at least be entertained enough to watch the whole thing. Awards movies are a different breed all together. If the public picked the nominees instead you'd have completely different selections. Personally I just ignore awards. Oscars and Grammys fascinated me as a child. But when I got older I started realising that I didn't need others to tell me what I should like. A movie or album wasn't "the best" because it was awarded a hunk of metal on TV. The last time I watched the Oscars was 2020. It was insanely boring. I wanted to strangle Joachin Phoenix, why did Brad Pitt win and OMG That Billie Ellish number was horrible. They left out Luke Perry from the memorial even though he was in Once Upon A Time In Hollywood and it was his last film. Yes he was mainly a TV actor but for God's sake how the Hell did they miss the fact that he was in one of the films that was nominated?

I have no idea why the Oscars or Grammys are even still on. Who watches them? The Oscars needs to go back to the skits and hosts that are actually funny. There's a reason why people looked forward to Billy Crystal hosting.
 
If the press about this movie was along the lines of 'Most Anti-Semitic Film Ever Made' or 'Does She Said go too far?' then I might have had some interest in it. There's never been any distinction in the jew writing the check, running the camera, or on the casting couch when it comes to film - Weinstein is cut from the same cloth as Al Goldstein and Louis Mayer.

Otherwise it just seems like the usual 'movie about movies' that is like catnip to the self-obsessed Hollywood filth. Maybe a little darker take on the genre but still just a paean to the terminally vain. Add a soupcon of fellating journalists for doing the job.
 
I'm having trouble quoting right now but someone else mentioned that Oscar bait rarely resonates with audiences. It's true. There haven't been many cases where I saw the list of films and thought any were all that special to me in recent years. And the few ones I liked such as The Irishman and 1917 didn't win. And we all know Moonlight was a diversity win. It hit those queer and POC boxes. I haven't seen it and maybe it's a good movie. But Bob Dobbs from Idaho doesn't want to see it and it's not something you'd take the kids to.
Look at Best Picture awards by year and ask yourself if you ever saw or even remember that film. Remember, they chose Shakespeare in Love over Saving Private Ryan. Your average man in the street can still quote the best lines from the latter, but would be hard pressed to even remember if Shakespeare was IN the former as a character, or if it was a metaphor.

Awards are out of touch from top to bottom, well, they already were 20 years ago, now its even worse.


I have no idea why the Oscars or Grammys are even still on. Who watches them? The Oscars needs to go back to the skits and hosts that are actually funny. There's a reason why people looked forward to Billy Crystal hosting.
The internet has rendered them obsolete, you don't need recap shows when dozens of YouTubers and bloggers will do the job for you, and the glitz doesn't make up for the fact that spoon-fed narrative is all they talk about, the YouTubers at least try to sincerely be entertaining. But, don't expect Hollywood or the Record industry to ever voluntarily end their own fart-huffing company picnic.
 
As I get older, I would rather play a video game that’s well proven to me to provide entertainment than risk wasting my time on a movie I might end up bored at best or hate at worst. Also fuck Hollywood in general too. You dug this pit, now lie in it.
 
It's the economy, stupid. When the price of countless things has risen by double digit percentages, people have to prioritize. That, and I'm sure people have gotten sick of being talked down to by lizard people who fuck children.
Hey, not all lizard people fuck children. Don’t tar lizard people like me, a plain, simple tailor, with Hollywood pedos.
 
It's more like the 70s, release after release of boring, pretentious dog shit without the occasional Godfather or Dirty Harry to break up the monotony.
Sadly we're not getting the amazing indie scene that popped up in the 70s. It's easier than every to make films but no one seems to be doing it. Everyone with a cell phone has a movie grade camera.
 
The last movie I saw in theaters was Minions 2, and that movie was fun even if it was a tad predictable at times. If they just focused on fun concepts with wide appeal (and stop trying to lecture audiences), they would go further. It’s why it annoys those award bait movie producers that movies such as Fast and Furious and Transformers make the bigger bucks.

If producers thought less about “sending a message” and more on being entertaining, they wouldn’t have these bombs. It’s even okay to have a message in those entertaining movies, but the biggest difference is that they don’t beat you over the head with it. There is a degree of subtlety movies of the past used that is lacking today.
 
Step 1: Consumers demand something different
Step 2: Consumers refuse to actually pay for something different
Step 3: Your arthouse cinema goes out of business
Step 4: WELFARE!!!

This is why you will be watching capeshit movies until the sun finally explodes.
 
>be me, average moviegoer
>want to goer to a movie
>check out the current offerings
>"Rape: A Rape Story"
>"One Million Years In The White Man's Chains"
>"F.A.G. - Fucking the Asses of Guys"
>"World War 2 Movie #28421"
>"Capeshit Adventures"
>sigh
>capeshit it is


Sometimes I wonder if they do it on purpose. Make everything else grossly offensive to sentient beings to create a false dichotomy where capeshit is the only "correct choice". After all, it's not like people are going to stop eating their bread and watching their circuses.
 
Sadly we're not getting the amazing indie scene that popped up in the 70s. It's easier than every to make films but no one seems to be doing it. Everyone with a cell phone has a movie grade camera.
TFW we're never getting another film like Dolemite.

Though, Eddie Murphy's My Name is Dolemite was actually pretty fun and made me appreciate Dolemite even more in the same way Ed Wood made Plan 9 From Outer Space even better.
 
About what? Prostituting themselves for roles because they wanted that badly to "make it" in a place as sordid as Hollywood?

I don't imagine that's an additional major reason for why this movie bombed, but it'd surely be one of mine.
I don't disagree. Most, if not all of those women knew the bargain they were making. The ones who came forward did so mostly because Weinstein didn't deliver on the "I'll make you a star!" part of his quid quo pro.

But from a moviemaker perspective, it'd be easy for them to ignore that and focus on the intimidation and retaliation Weinstein threw at them until the case got enough traction to give them some protection.
 
Simply put, the vast majority of TV and movies are not worth watching. I don't watch shit that makes me dumber, neither should you. "They" mistakenly bank on the sheep watching any shit they put out. Guess again, motherfuckers.
 
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