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@LaxerBRO It does exist, but there are a number of flaws and other considerations to take into account. For example, in almost every instance since the studies were made, the population grew, so it's natural that infrastructure expands with it. But that same growth isn't because of the highways; otherwise cities in recession and declining population could build their way out of recession, and of course, there is a natural limit. There is diminishing returns the more lanes and highways, sure, but infinite lanes don't have infinite cars.

There's also logical fallacies that lanes could be 1:1 replaced with trains or that reducing lanes could reduce load on the highway without negatively impacting the entire system (or would encourage mass transit use). Trains don't always work because it assumes where cars are going. Part of their worldview is extremely simplified in that traffic only moves to work and home and back, with a "third place" as a random variable.

But if you look at something like the Katy Freeway, commonly cited as "induced demand", where IS everybody going? It's part of a huge network that links Southern California to Florida and is extremely important for truck traffic. Toward the west it goes to San Antonio and with State Highways 71 and 130 plugged directly into it, it provides access to Austin as well.

On the local side, there's restaurants and stores along it that make up the evening traffic (and having a car means a much greater access to restaurants you can just walk to), as well as a huge IKEA, which is an attraction that brings out-of-towners as well. Finally, trains don't and never have operated to a full extent 24/7, and freeways do. Despite the bloodbath in 24/7 operations convenience stores and drive-throughs still generally operate.

All that requires a heavy-duty freeway. And yet, even if you were to argue that a freeway shouldn't serve local traffic, all those hotels and restaurants and stores can't really go onto avenues because the same people that complain about induced demand also complain about avenues ("stroads") as well.
Cities skylines is actually really instructive for this, amazingly enough. There are mods that let you click on a highway or bus route or train or whatever and see every single trip through that point. And sure, you can quickly identify 10-20% of the traffic as “neighborhood X to location Y” but you also see how much it sprawls everywhere.

Public transit works better when you either have a single source or destination for traffic. Roads work better when it’s all decentralized.
 
If you build more lanes, induced demamd will just wipe out any gains you made in solving traffic. That's why we need more grassy trams and buses running! Induced demand doesn't happen with public transit because....IT JUST DOESN'T, OKAY?????
 
/r/fuckcars discusses how they totally don't need cars/trucks for anything:
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Linked Reddit Post (Archive):
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(That post hit /r/all so the comments are laughing at the OP)
OP's comment in the linked thread:
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The cargo bike they suggested (Archive):
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That won't hold a 65" TV.

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Next week, "I walked back and forth to the department store 10 times, an hour both ways, and dragged back all the materials I needed to build a shed. OWNED stupid car-brains."

Do these people not realize that just because something is possible, doesn't mean it makes sense to do it? And try doing this in LA or some other large city in America. They always ignore the fact that just making the public transport better, doesn't mean it's going to be safe. There was a story a while ago from I think Philadelphia, where some woman was raped while riding the bus, while other riders either watched or filmed. No one helped. If you want people to use public transport in America, you need to fix more than just the public transport.
 
Public transit works better when you either have a single source or destination for traffic. Roads work better when it’s all decentralized.
You can also have public transport that works great across a large, decentralized network. You just need enough people around to justify operating that network with enough interconnecting services an acceptable frequency. More population density is more ridership is good. Plus, public transportation doesn’t break down and stop entirely when there’s too many people riding it, at worst you’ll just have an uncomfortably crowded ride and you’ll still make it to your destination with minor delay.

Roads work great when you have both decentralization and rather low population densities. Funneling traffic from a large low density area is a traffic jam at the bottleneck, while an all-permeating high population density which is a traffic jam everywhere all at once. Nobody has a particularly good time by any metric in a traffic jam, so avoiding traffic jams is #1 priority if you want nice car rides. Attack the problem at the root: never allow enough population density and avoid highly popular points of interest as much as possible.

There is a certain conflict of interest between great public transportation and great car trips.
 
the term "car brain" sends me into a fucking rage
Probably because it implies having a car or focusing on cars is an addiction or a mental defect. Whereas really, with a car you aren't dependant on a timetable and limited destinations set by bureaucrats. Also it's a superior way to transport cargo or transport your kids. Japan can make it work for letting your kids go aside from girls being groped. Europe once upon a time probably could've done better but then they imported a bunch of niggers and camel jockeys so now your TV you dragged on the train got taken by moulaambembe while Ahmed resolves his sexual emergency inside the kids
 
the term "car brain" sends me into a fucking rage
Don't let it get to you. Coopt it and use it against them. Being a car brain is actually superior since you have the dexterity and responsibility to safely and efficiently drive one of the pinnacles of human engineering, something all those reddit users lack, along with a bunch of neurons and synapses. Bonus superiority points if you work on and maintain your car.
 
Cities skylines is actually really instructive for this, amazingly enough. There are mods that let you click on a highway or bus route or train or whatever and see every single trip through that point. And sure, you can quickly identify 10-20% of the traffic as “neighborhood X to location Y” but you also see how much it sprawls everywhere.

Public transit works better when you either have a single source or destination for traffic. Roads work better when it’s all decentralized.

In addition to Cities Skylines' traffic simulator (unless there's a mod that completely fixes it) being quite bad--congestions and slowdowns happen where they shouldn't be, for instance, it's still an abstraction of reality.

They don't model pass-through highway traffic that is going to be naturally higher than anything the city "produces"...this is why small towns can get a leg up in additional restaurants and gas stations, with the highway portion potentially being bumper-to-bumper at the wrong hours while the side streets are completely dead.

They don't model the draw of retails, restaurants, and other destinations. In the Katy Freeway example, you can't model a trip visiting the busy Memorial City Mall (Target, JCPenney, Macy's, Dillard's, and a movie theater), or the restaurants around it, or the hotels around it, or something like the IKEA and its giant parking lot. In my neck of the woods, and summer weekends are crazy on the highway because of things like two massive sprawling outlet malls, the river, or a large waterpark.

They don't factor in industries, what works on trains, and what doesn't. The only industries that have spurs deal in bulk loads of the same sort of product--gravel, scrap, oil, grain, chemicals, and a few others. For most other industries, that's uneconomical. Trucks are what power the movement between industries (very few games come remotely close to how raw materials turn into finished products), but you can't really accurately trace how all these products come together--a bag of frozen tendies is going to probably change hands multiple times, from the chicken growing houses out in the sticks, to the processing plant (word to the wise - if you ever find yourself next to a truck carrying chickens on the highway, try to get ahead of it if you don't want feathers flying toward you for miles), to a further processing plant (and get other ingredients added to it, like the breading and how THAT includes imported spices, milled flour, etc.) to a grocery distribution store, to a store, etc.

They don't factor in a bias toward cars. City simulators think it's perfectly fine to all crowd into a transit stop, take it to another destination, and then transfer again; nor is there any scheduling involved. Mass transit crime doesn't exist, and overcrowding is not a problem. There are no fare-jumpers.
 
These people remind me of the "Free Energy" conspiracy wackjobs. They see a complicated problem that people have tackled over the centuries .They, with their boundless ingenuity, propose their simple 'solution', and then... What do you mean it doesn't work? You're paid off by Big Oil, aren't you?
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There are still people believe that Stanley Meyer was killed by the oil/auto industry despite the fact that a) his "water fuel cell" was completely debunked a few years before his death (it violated several laws of thermodynamics, for starters) and b) all his (now expired and public domain) patents are out there and not censored, so you could build a water-powered car in theory (that is, if the design didn't run on nonsensolium)
 
Long rant about how dense cities are good because of muh gays and muh minorities and racism is why people call them "bad":
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Multnomah County is Whiter than Washington County:
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Judging by the OP's username (/u/BrownAmericanDude), he is likely Indian/Pakistani. I've only ever heard South Asian people call themselves "brown" in an effort to pretend to be "oppressed POC". Black people call themselves "black" and Hispanic people call themselves "Hispanic"/"Latino", not "brown". If so, he hated living amongst his own people and moved the Whitest part of the metro area and brags to /r/notjustbikes about how much better the White area is. Being a redditor, he posted a selfie video, which confirms my suspicions:
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He's also retarded, Portland proper is a shithole with surprise antifa riots and homeless crackheads everywhere; the suburbs are the only nice parts left in the area. Washington County (left side of red line) also has a ton of bike lanes/trails, restaurants, and bars:
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This is the meme he posted that the mods removed;
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God is with us carbrains!
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Suburbs were built because White people are racist:
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/r/fuckcars user proves that they can take home a Christmas "tree" with a kid's bike trailer:
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Even a kei truck's bed would have no problems fitting that shrub:
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If only there was a better way...
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Long rant about how dense cities are good because of muh gays and muh minorities and racism is why people call them "bad":
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Multnomah County is Whiter than Washington County:
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Judging by the OP's username (/u/BrownAmericanDude), he is likely Indian/Pakistani. I've only ever heard South Asian people call themselves "brown" in an effort to pretend to be "oppressed POC". Black people call themselves "black" and Hispanic people call themselves "Hispanic"/"Latino", not "brown". If so, he hated living amongst his own people and moved the Whitest part of the metro area and brags to /r/notjustbikes about how much better the White area is. Being a redditor, he posted a selfie video, which confirms my suspicions:
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He's also retarded, Portland proper is a shithole with surprise antifa riots and homeless crackheads everywhere; the suburbs are the only nice parts left in the area. Washington County (left side of red line) also has a ton of bike lanes/trails, restaurants, and bars:
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This is the meme he posted that the mods removed;
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God is with us carbrains!
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Suburbs were built because White people are racist:
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/r/fuckcars user proves that they can take home a Christmas "tree" with a kid's bike trailer:
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Even a kei truck's bed would have no problems fitting that shrub:
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If only there was a better way...
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Most large west coast cities the downtowns are not low-income any more, they're shitholes due to homeless and politics but they tend to be some of the most expensive places to live. San Francisco, San Diego, even Portland and Seattle. And, of course, he doesn't mention Vancouver which is in the running for the highest cost downtown in North America.
 
Someone made a fucky-wucky with their Bible:
4 Adam[a] made love to his wife Eve, and she became pregnant and gave birth to Cain.[b] She said, “With the help of the Lord I have brought forth[c] a man.” 2 Later she gave birth to his brother Abel.
Now Abel kept flocks, and Cain worked the soil. 3 In the course of time Cain brought some of the fruits of the soil as an offering to the Lord. 4 And Abel also brought an offering—fat portions from some of the firstborn of his flock. The Lord looked with favor on Abel and his offering, 5 but on Cain and his offering he did not look with favor. So Cain was very angry, and his face was downcast. -Gen 4:5, NIV
And the city of Enoch, founded by Cain, was the first permanent settlement in the Bible, Gen 4:17, the story of Sodom and Gomorrah isn't mentioned until Gen 17, a little bit through the Abraham narrative, by which point Abraham had already visited several cities, and its after the Tower of Babel story, and God is unlikely to be made afraid of any tower made by shepherds, and the story of Potiphar's wife is far more of a, lmao women amirite guise, story than a cities are bad story. So 3 swings and 3 misses, an impressively ill-informed post even by the high standards of incompetence of r/fuckcars.
 
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Next week, "I walked back and forth to the department store 10 times, an hour both ways, and dragged back all the materials I needed to build a shed. OWNED stupid car-brains."

Do these people not realize that just because something is possible, doesn't mean it makes sense to do it? And try doing this in LA or some other large city in America. They always ignore the fact that just making the public transport better, doesn't mean it's going to be safe. There was a story a while ago from I think Philadelphia, where some woman was raped while riding the bus, while other riders either watched or filmed. No one helped. If you want people to use public transport in America, you need to fix more than just the public transport.

It's not just that. Tying to a laundry basket to a skateboard and dragging it like a child in a wagon is retarded, but it's not obnoxious.

Dragging your oversized shit onto a train or a bus is incredibly rude to other passengers. That asshole is blocking the entire aisle, making it impossible to board and/or disembark the bus.

Suburbs were built because White people are racist:
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I can't fathom why people push the "white flight" narrative because it also inadvertently implies that white people are the only things that hold functional cities together. Whether that's true or not, it reflects way worse on non-whites than white people.
 
their downfall was more likely caused by the mass adoption of the internet in the 90s and being able to buy items online instead of having to purchase goods in person as well as being replaced by the outdoor malls that are increasingly becoming more popular for some reason. theyre just strip malls with extra steps
So people don't want to walk around and shop when they can drive and shop, when given the safe easy choice? Sure proved me wrong.


/r/fuckcars discusses how they totally don't need cars/trucks for anything:
Instead of 1 out of 100-1000 riders bringing large cargo, let's make it 1 out of 10. I wonder how much room for other passengers there are. I wonder how backed up people's schedules get because a significant portion of people have to wait for another train or bus.
 
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Yet more gaslighting by these people. The (((protests))) that ripped this country apart are still fresh in everyone's minds. I think that plays a bit bigger of a part than seeing a black person in your neighborhood.

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I love it when leftists try to use our masculinity against us. Most of us are smart enough to realize no amount of sit-ups or crunches can protest us against literal criminal hordes. As Chris Rock once said "You got pecs, I got TECs." Not to mention if he was talking about how he was gonna bash those protestors' heads together you'd be screeching about toxic masculinity.

Also if you have a friend or family member that wants to try "exposure therapy" on you, cut them out immediately. I can deal with political disagreements, I will not deal with someone trying to convert me out of my supposed badwrong wicked ways.

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Yeah, it's just those dang dirty right-wingers portraying your lefty utopia as a hellscape. There's absolutely nothing to that at all. Your city is burning and your biggest concern is referring to the homeless tweakers as the 'unhoused'. Your city will be a trash dump and the country's laughingstock until you start allowing these.

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You locked everybody inside for two years. You insisted I cheered on my country being burned down. You destroyed people's income for slightly politically incorrect statements. You tried to force me and everyone I know to take a vaccine that had barely been tested on humans. And now you're insisting that everybody give up their car and let the state provide their transportation. I do not share 95% of opinions with you. I don't even share 50% of my opinions with you. I share maybe 5% of my opinions with you at best and that's only because you haven't yet gone full Orwell and tried convincing me 2+2=5. If purging you from my country is an unacceptable option then the only alternative I have is to distance myself from you as much as possible.
 
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