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Speaking of Deodato movies, are there any House on the Edge of the Park fans in here? I love Giovanni Lombardo Radice so much, it’s kind of nuts—a friend actually got me a Cameo from him for my birthday where he talked a little about the film—you can tell he still doesn’t completely get why people like these movies so much, but he’s a lot more jovial about them than he used to be, where he’d just straight come out and say that he’d worked on a lot of shit. I think he liked working on this one, though, and he‘s a lot more positive about the experience with Deodato than he was about working with Lenzi on Ferox, where he just shit-talks him nonstop. David Hess is also great in it, with this weird, grotesque charisma and humor, Annie Belle is a super cutie pie, the blond dude who plays her brother—all these very good looking people doing a good job of being totally decadent weirdos; I don’t know, I bought it. The final twist caught me by surprise. I’m a big fan of the whole rape revenge genre, so in some ways I think it‘s more ‘fun‘ than Cannibal Holocaust, although Cannibal Holocaust is (obviously) the more important film of the two.

Cannibal Holocaust did a number on my head for a few days after I first saw it. It’s intense. Shit looks real, he did a great job. You kill a few animals and it certainly helps to blur the lines as to what’s real and what isn’t. Those Italian special effects dudes and the cameramen came together and did some amazing work. I still think the girl sitting on the bike seat looks properly impaled. They also just do a ton of straight up dangerous fuckery that you could never get away with now, like the people in the burning huts. Fucking madman level shit, but a great movie. I got to see it in a packed theater and it was annoying as shit to hear these hipsters laughing at all the bleep bloop music with their shitty hipster irony. Little did they know that the bleep bloop signifies the most fucked scenes are now underway and a bunch of them ended up leaving in a huff. Good times.

Back in the late nineties I got a hold of David Hess, and we had an email correspondence going for a bit that was pretty cool—I had a lot of questions about Autostop Rosso Sangue and if he was trying to play Adam as a sort of kid to Franco Nero and Corrine Clery in some perverse way and he was very happy, said that was indeed one of his intentions with the character, that in his head they were meant to be a dysfunctional family. It wasn’t a direction he was given but it was how he saw the character, so he played it that way. Who knows if it was true, or if he was just glad to talk to someone about his films. This was still in the days when horror conventions weren’t so much of a thing, so I really lucked into talking with him. It sucks because I lost those emails on a hard drive about five years back, if I had them I’d definitely be sharing them. You always hear or read that he was a hardass, or an asshole, and he may have been but in my experience he was a friendly dude.
I saw House on the Edge of the Park with my dad. That was fun. I spoke with Giovanni for a minute. Nice guy but he really hates the movies he was in especially Cannibal Ferox. But everyone is great in it. The twist is a little questionable but has -debatably- the best shot in the balls scene in cinema history. It was at this convention where I saw House and I bought a bootleg tape of Cannibal Holocaust before seeing it (this is way before an official DVD had come out) where I had Deodato and Robert Kerman autograph it.

My experience with Hess was mostly positive. I went to get his autograph but I didn't have any cash and said sorry as I walked away. But then my dad handed me $20 and I went back to his table and he was nice. I mentioned the nut shot in House and he gave me the eye but it could have been because of my age and his dad genes were kicking in or he just hated House? Either/or. Objectively speaking, Hitch Hike is the best film he was in, it's a superb road movie if not one of the very best road movies. But House is just so much more "fun" to watch.

CH was a devastating thing to behold but I loved it. It achieves the same sort of "you are there with them" vibe as Texas Chainsaw Massacre and The Shining. It's a shame that Deodato seemed to have peaked too early in his career. After House on the Edge of the Park he never made anything nearly as entertaining or as effective as Cannibal Holocaust. The closest you get to that is Cut and Run which is an absurd train wreck jungle action horror picture that invokes The People's Temple mass suicide.
 
Oooh, now do Porno Holocaust!
Pfft. What a plebian. That's so mainstream. The hard core's are all talking about Cannabis Holocaust:

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(Yes, this is a real movie)
 
I saw House on the Edge of the Park with my dad. That was fun. I spoke with Giovanni for a minute. Nice guy but he really hates the movies he was in especially Cannibal Ferox. But everyone is great in it. The twist is a little questionable but has -debatably- the best shot in the balls scene in cinema history. It was at this convention where I saw House and I bought a bootleg tape of Cannibal Holocaust before seeing it (this is way before an official DVD had come out) where I had Deodato and Robert Kerman autograph it.

My experience with Hess was mostly positive. I went to get his autograph but I didn't have any cash and said sorry as I walked away. But then my dad handed me $20 and I went back to his table and he was nice. I mentioned the nut shot in House and he gave me the eye but it could have been because of my age and his dad genes were kicking in or he just hated House? Either/or. Objectively speaking, Hitch Hike is the best film he was in, it's a superb road movie if not one of the very best road movies. But House is just so much more "fun" to watch.

CH was a devastating thing to behold but I loved it. It achieves the same sort of "you are there with them" vibe as Texas Chainsaw Massacre and The Shining. It's a shame that Deodato seemed to have peaked too early in his career. After House on the Edge of the Park he never made anything nearly as entertaining or as effective as Cannibal Holocaust. The closest you get to that is Cut and Run which is an absurd train wreck jungle action horror picture that invokes The People's Temple mass suicide.
I love that you saw House with your dad. That’s one of those movies that you always kind of dread seeing with a parent, especially if neither of you knows what the fuck is up, going into it. I think that you’re right about the twist being a bit of a wtf, but I was honestly so into it that it worked for me. And an amazing nut shot! There’s so much to love about that movie. Roots. Ricky dancing and not realizing that they’re laughing at him, the poker game where Hess gets everything back, the neighbor girl who comes to the door at the exact incorrect moment. Poor Cindy.

If there are people in the thread who haven’t seen it yet, go and grab a copy!

I think Deodato was one of those directors who has one brilliant film in them, and then maybe one other very solid picture, and then that’s it. Nothing ever quite comes together again in the way it did for those films where they were on fire and couldn’t do a thing wrong if they’d tried. This will sound sacreligious—it is—but sadly, in some regards, I put Tobe Hooper in the same category, though in Tobe’s case much of the fault has to go to the fact that he was being screwed left, right, and center by asshole executives.

TCM and CH having that feeling of ‘you are there’, that they’re somehow ‘real’—that’s so on the nose and what gives them so much power. They could be documentaries, they look and feel like the truth. Getting that feeling of verisimilitude into a fictional film isn’t an easy thing to do. Deodato blurs the line again when he uses the footage of war atrocities in the ‘Road to Hell’ within CH; we watch, assume it’s real, are then told that it’s fake, but of course it‘s actually fucking real—he jumps that line so many times and so adeptly that you’re completely sold on whatever it is that he shows you next. He’s almost showing off. It’s great.

I think it’s also partly why they’re such important movies for people who really love the genre. You can‘t help but respond to them. I‘m sure someone will say that they saw one of the two, or both, and found them laughable or that they looked fake or what have you, but it‘s a hard perspective for me to understand.

Jealous that you got to meet these guys in person. Did you get a chance to speak to Robert Kerman at all? He seems like he was a nice dude as well, if something of a sad guy. There’s a interview with him up at the Rialto Report that’s pretty fascinating. He sounded as though he loved making movies with the Italians (even though he did not want to kill animals and was very angry with Deodato) because at least here were a group of people who routinely gave him a chance to do real acting.

I would love to talk about Hitch Hike, but I’m guessing I’ve sperged enough for the day. It IS the best road movie. Two Lane Blacktop is the normie answer, but Hitch Hike is always tops. Just a ridiculously good movie. The first time I saw it was on this shitty VSoM tape that ended with Franco and Corrine driving off into the sunset—imagine my shock when I saw the real thing!
 
I love that you saw House with your dad. That’s one of those movies that you always kind of dread seeing with a parent, especially if neither of you knows what the fuck is up, going into it. I think that you’re right about the twist being a bit of a wtf, but I was honestly so into it that it worked for me. And an amazing nut shot! There’s so much to love about that movie. Roots. Ricky dancing and not realizing that they’re laughing at him, the poker game where Hess gets everything back, the neighbor girl who comes to the door at the exact incorrect moment. Poor Cindy.

If there are people in the thread who haven’t seen it yet, go and grab a copy!

I think Deodato was one of those directors who has one brilliant film in them, and then maybe one other very solid picture, and then that’s it. Nothing ever quite comes together again in the way it did for those films where they were on fire and couldn’t do a thing wrong if they’d tried. This will sound sacreligious—it is—but sadly, in some regards, I put Tobe Hooper in the same category, though in Tobe’s case much of the fault has to go to the fact that he was being screwed left, right, and center by asshole executives.

TCM and CH having that feeling of ‘you are there’, that they’re somehow ‘real’—that’s so on the nose and what gives them so much power. They could be documentaries, they look and feel like the truth. Getting that feeling of verisimilitude into a fictional film isn’t an easy thing to do. Deodato blurs the line again when he uses the footage of war atrocities in the ‘Road to Hell’ within CH; we watch, assume it’s real, are then told that it’s fake, but of course it‘s actually fucking real—he jumps that line so many times and so adeptly that you’re completely sold on whatever it is that he shows you next. He’s almost showing off. It’s great.

I think it’s also partly why they’re such important movies for people who really love the genre. You can‘t help but respond to them. I‘m sure someone will say that they saw one of the two, or both, and found them laughable or that they looked fake or what have you, but it‘s a hard perspective for me to understand.

Jealous that you got to meet these guys in person. Did you get a chance to speak to Robert Kerman at all? He seems like he was a nice dude as well, if something of a sad guy. There’s a interview with him up at the Rialto Report that’s pretty fascinating. He sounded as though he loved making movies with the Italians (even though he did not want to kill animals and was very angry with Deodato) because at least here were a group of people who routinely gave him a chance to do real acting.

I would love to talk about Hitch Hike, but I’m guessing I’ve sperged enough for the day. It IS the best road movie. Two Lane Blacktop is the normie answer, but Hitch Hike is always tops. Just a ridiculously good movie. The first time I saw it was on this shitty VSoM tape that ended with Franco and Corrine driving off into the sunset—imagine my shock when I saw the real thing!
I think some people -notably critics- take umbrage with the twist because it takes the wind out of the sails of the class warfare theme the film had. The theme is still there of course. But it's undone a little when you realize that they set the whole thing up and it was just another meaningless thrill for the "Hot to trot rich bastards!"

I spoke with Robert Kerman very briefly. Nicest guy in the world. Him and my dad seemed to hit it off and my dad had no idea he was talking to the star of Debbie Does Dallas. I explained that to him later.
 
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Pathetic pretentious excuse for a movie. A YouTuber I watch made a video talking about how terrifying it is so I gave it a shot. It's almost two hours of up close shots of walls, ceilings, and furniture. Sometimes the furniture disappears. There's a scene where a toilet vanishes. You rarely see any human characters, it's not a movie it's a fucking house tour. There's a few cheap lame jump scares, like 3 of them.

Fuck viral marketing and the shitty people who accept money to praise garbage like this shit. I spit on this movie *spits


I also watched 13 Eerie which was an enjoyable dumb zombie movie about a group of forensic crime students on an island getting attacked by mutated death row inmates. Felt like an old school zombie movie.
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Speaking of Deodato movies, are there any House on the Edge of the Park fans in here? I love Giovanni Lombardo Radice so much, it’s kind of nuts—a friend actually got me a Cameo from him for my birthday where he talked a little about the film—you can tell he still doesn’t completely get why people like these movies so much, but he’s a lot more jovial about them than he used to be, where he’d just straight come out and say that he’d worked on a lot of shit. I think he liked working on this one, though, and he‘s a lot more positive about the experience with Deodato than he was about working with Lenzi on Ferox, where he just shit-talks him nonstop. David Hess is also great in it, with this weird, grotesque charisma and humor, Annie Belle is a super cutie pie, the blond dude who plays her brother—all these very good looking people doing a good job of being totally decadent weirdos; I don’t know, I bought it. The final twist caught me by surprise. I’m a big fan of the whole rape revenge genre, so in some ways I think it‘s more ‘fun‘ than Cannibal Holocaust, although Cannibal Holocaust is (obviously) the more important film of the two.

Cannibal Holocaust did a number on my head for a few days after I first saw it. It’s intense. Shit looks real, he did a great job. You kill a few animals and it certainly helps to blur the lines as to what’s real and what isn’t. Those Italian special effects dudes and the cameramen came together and did some amazing work. I still think the girl sitting on the bike seat looks properly impaled. They also just do a ton of straight up dangerous fuckery that you could never get away with now, like the people in the burning huts. Fucking madman level shit, but a great movie. I got to see it in a packed theater and it was annoying as shit to hear these hipsters laughing at all the bleep bloop music with their shitty hipster irony. Little did they know that the bleep bloop signifies the most fucked scenes are now underway and a bunch of them ended up leaving in a huff. Good times.

Back in the late nineties I got a hold of David Hess, and we had an email correspondence going for a bit that was pretty cool—I had a lot of questions about Autostop Rosso Sangue and if he was trying to play Adam as a sort of kid to Franco Nero and Corrine Clery in some perverse way and he was very happy, said that was indeed one of his intentions with the character, that in his head they were meant to be a dysfunctional family. It wasn’t a direction he was given but it was how he saw the character, so he played it that way. Who knows if it was true, or if he was just glad to talk to someone about his films. This was still in the days when horror conventions weren’t so much of a thing, so I really lucked into talking with him. It sucks because I lost those emails on a hard drive about five years back, if I had them I’d definitely be sharing them. You always hear or read that he was a hardass, or an asshole, and he may have been but in my experience he was a friendly dude.
I met Michael Berryman once and he told me how he threw Deodato in the amazon river because he didn't tell Michael there were deadly electric eels in the water even though he'd been in it all day.
 
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I'm more curious now that you're shitting on it. :story:
If you want to stare at walls, ceilings, and floors for two hours with occasional child voice ASMR whispers instead of watching a real movie go for it. I'm not exaggerating when I say nothing happens. Nothing happens. It's pretentious film school dog shit.

The scariest part of this movie is realizing how much time you've spent looking at shots of a corner or a wall.

Also this type of analog experimental VHS horror about kids being left alone in the spooky house has been done better by the Polonia Brothers
 
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If you want to stare at walls, ceilings, and floors for two hours with occasional child voice ASMR whispers instead of watching a real movie go for it. I'm not exaggerating when I say nothing happens. Nothing happens. It's pretentious film school dog shit.
It's pretty much an accurate description of most of any artificially corporate-friendly movie.
 
It's pretty much an accurate description of most of any artificially corporate-friendly movie.
Creepypasta and it’s consequences have been a disaster for the horror industry.

Also there's definitely an astroturfing campaign behind this movie. It hasn't even been released yet all of these tiktokers and YouTubers come out with rave reviews at the same time.
 
Creepypasta and it’s consequences have been a disaster for the horror industry.

Also there's definitely an astroturfing campaign behind this movie. It hasn't even been released yet all of these tiktokers and YouTubers come out with rave reviews at the same time.
I'm not trying to rip on ya' but there's no astroturfing for this movie. It's an indie that probably cost a couple bucks to make. I get that you didn't like it. That's fine. Difference of opinion yadda yadda but you come off like you expected something like Superstition (1982):


Very fun movie but two entirely different things. I get being pissed that maybe it was sold to you as being the scariest thing ever but I found it effective and I love my schlock horror along with my arthouse horror. It's a to each his own. Apples and Oranges. Fulci VS Argento. That kind of bullshit.
 
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I'm not trying to rip on ya' but there's no astroturfing for this movie. It's an indie that probably cost a couple bucks to make. I get that you didn't like it. That's fine. Difference of opinion yadda yadda but you come off like you expected something like Superstition (1982):


Very fun movie but two entirely different things. I get being pissed that maybe it was sold to you as being the scariest thing ever but I found it effective and I love my schlock horror along with my arthouse horror. It's a to each his own. Apples and Oranges. Fulci VS Argento. That kind of bullshit.
It had a budget of 15k. They didn't spend 15k by filming walls and furniture. I was expecting an actual movie not an hour and 40 minutes of a camera pointed at a wall while children whisper in the background.
I expected it to be creepypasta reddit-tier liminal space horror like this

I like artsy fartsy, experimental, dreamlike movies like Season of Darkness, 13 Seconds, Stragglers, Glasshead and other weird shit. But things actually happen on screen during those movies which is more than I can say for Skinamarink. And what's the big payoff we get for sitting through this 2 hour long house tour? A spooky face without a mouth!

Skinamarink is just I've Been to Film School: The Movie
 
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It had a budget of 15k. They didn't spend 15k by filming walls and furniture. I was expecting an actual movie not an hour and 40 minutes of a camera pointed at a wall while children whisper in the background.
I expected it to be creepypasta reddit-tier liminal space horror like this

I like artsy fartsy, experimental, dreamlike movies like Season of Darkness, 13 Seconds, Stragglers, Glasshead and other weird shit. But things actually happen on screen during those movies which is more than I can say for Skinamarink. And what's the big payoff we get for sitting through this 2 hour long house tour? A spooky face without a mouth!

Skinamarink is just I've Been to Film School: The Movie
15K still isn't a lot. It's something but it's not some Paranormal Activity bullshit. But I will have to respectfully disagree with your assertion.
 
Creepypasta and it’s consequences have been a disaster for the horror industry.

Also there's definitely an astroturfing campaign behind this movie. It hasn't even been released yet all of these tiktokers and YouTubers come out with rave reviews at the same time.
Creepypasta is more or less a joke, quite literally. The word "creepy" doesn't mean anything anymore, but moreover a satire of what it used to be.
 
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