If you are fat, it's your fault and it's not healthy (also, you look terrible)

[Marvin]

So they are either overweight or obese. It's not healthy and not how the human body is supposed to be.

Not "supposed to be" by what metric? I mean, you could reasonably argue that the human body is not supposed to engage in anal sex.

They are feeling moral superiority because their are morally superior. Indulging to excess, causing yourself to become unhealthy and a burden for others and society is morally lesser than taking care of your body, not indulging excessively and have better priorities than those who feel that it's more important to feel temporary pleasure in the now even if it's gonna cause them to die way earlier while their quality of life goes down immensely.

Take Scott Glenn, aka that blind guy from Daredevil. He's 75. He describe what he does in his free time as training in a variety of martial arts, being a gym rat, downhill ski, hiking, climbing and motorcycle tour and do track days on motorcycles, and open water spear fishing and free diving.

He doesn't live like a monk. Still enjoys good food, still enjoys wine and having a fun time or whatever. But with a little disciple, exercise and taking care of his body, he's doing more at 75 than I guess most people reading here will do in their lifetime. You don't need to live like a monk to make it to 110 years old, but by making right decisions for your body you can live a long active and healthy life that's gonna be great instead of living miserable tired years starting at 40 and dying in your mid-60s not having enjoyed much in that time aside from tv and more food.

I don't like martial arts. I don't like skiing, hiking, climbing or motorcycles. (I really can't survive in the sticks, I prefer urban environments.)

The monk thing was just an example. I was trying to illustrate that I have different goals in life. Let's say in lieu of being a monk, I wanted to trade off a few years in exchange for a few more indulgences. So instead I'm dying at 90, but having a little more fun. Or what about 80 and a lot more fun? What about 70 and having the fucking time of my life?

My whole point is that a person's choices in life are highly personal. I love my vices. I enjoy life. It's certainly not the same life that Scott Glenn has, but I enjoy it nevertheless.

A life where I got to live an extra 30 years, but had to give up my vices, would be an exceptionally hollow life for me.

The closest thing to a good argument you make about the immorality of indulgence is how it affects the system at large. I agree with @AnOminous on that.

Otherwise your argument just seem to be an elaborate example of this:

(Now, as a footnote, perhaps I'm kind of biased in the situation. My vices aren't terribly degrading to health. So, maybe it's not really my place to speak for the heroin addicts and bedridden hamplanets of the world. But in general, I think I made some decent points.)

 

[Aquinas]

I know how you feel IWC, I myself was the fat kid before i ever went to gym, but now i eat all i want and am happy with my body.

Sadly, "Before the gym" still applies to me very very much

 

[APerson]

I agree with a lot of what you say, but you're still being an asshole.
I have a very fucked-up relationship with food; I keep my boredom overeating in check with my autistic fixation on not going over my daily allotted calories (except for when that fails, like tonight) and eat to control my feelings because it's less painful than self-mutilation. I ate this way down 50 lbs to a healthy BMI, at night eating precisely the number of Good & Plentys it would take to stay at a daily positive in my calorie-counting app. It is my fault, and my whole family has the same issues with junk food which I do. Thing was? When I was fat, it was even less emotionally-healthy. I thought I looked then like I actually do now and managed to avoid stepping on a scale for an entire year. Now, at least I realize that how I'm eating is bad and that I can at least keep the scale okay, even if my head and gut are still screwed up. And how people look is relative; I look much better in one picture than in another a year later, even though I was ten pounds heavier in the first, because of the angle, dress fit, and lighting.
Still, do you have nothing you'd like to improve? Calm down.

 

[Ti-99/4A]

Take Scott Glenn, aka that blind guy from Daredevil. He's 75. He describe what he does in his free time as training in a variety of martial arts, being a gym rat, downhill ski, hiking, climbing and motorcycle tour and do track days on motorcycles, and open water spear fishing and free diving.

Ah a Hollywood star that has the money to do whatever the fuck he wants whenever he wants to do it. Great example!

 

[Aquinas]

More often the not, in many areas of the country frozen garbage food such as microwavables and the such and sodas tend to not only last longer than more healthy food, but tend to be cheaper aswell, while this isnt wholly an excuse, eating healthy isnt really an option for many people.

 

[JU 199]

@Internet War Criminal I have a question for you

Spoiler: I'd like a true and honest answer

Which fat woman triggers you more

Tess Munster

Or beth ditto

 

[Aquinas]

Does beth fucking shoot up?

 

[Watermelon1337]

I agree that we need to stop acting like being 200+ pounds overweight is a beautiful, healthy lifestyle but there really are plenty of reasons people become overweight despite having every intention to eat healthy or exercise. Several relatives of mine on one side of the tree struggled for years with steady exercise and diets and couldn't lose a pound. The difference is they were around 10-30 pounds overweight while other relatives of mine ballooned up to 300 pounds overweight because they used any excuse they could like in the OP as to why exercise or diet were too hard. Not surprisingly, the 400 pound relatives were arrogant, trashy people who blamed every possible person or concept in the world besides themselves for their 'thyroid problems' and would get defensive if anyone mentioned a gym or food portions.

But that's the thing is that despite all those relatives being overweight, I saw a huge difference in it. There is a major difference in people really trying to lose weight and not finding a proper routine that works for them personally (medications, proper sleeping hours and REM stages, hormones, just don't know the proper workouts to do), or for all those 400 pound ham planets who eat nothing but fast food and have never stepped on a treadmill and scream about fat shaming and "beautiful curves". People really do mix up some extra pounds with 'hideous lazy couch potato' and others even forget what is an actual properly healthy body size. I just don't think it's as black and white as that from seeing a lot of my family struggle with being overweight despite steering clear of processed foods and snacks, because the other side of my family all struggle with even gaining a pound and still being called anorexics.

I just think as long as you're eating right and taking care of your body, or are at least trying to manage your health, I couldn't care less. It's the people promoting stuffing your face with cake and MacDonalds who accuse people of fat shaming when heart problems come to topic that I roll my eyes at.

 

[Null]

Several relatives of mine on one side of the tree struggled for years with steady exercise and diets and couldn't lose a pound.

This is such utter and complete bullshit and it makes my blood boil every fucking time I see someone say this shit like it's true.

net = calories in - calories out

This is it. This is the universal mathematical constant for weight gain. There are very few determining factors outside of this, and I won't even mention them because people cling to goldrush era diseases for weight gain before they'd rather do fucking anything else or accept a little personal responsibility.

I've been fat my entire life, but when I was in Portland I started counting calories and fuck all else, and I got down to 185 from 250. Of course, I didn't do this for the right reasons and my diet was unsustainable because I did the KatsuKitty "starve yourself because you hate yourself" schtick, so I gained it back.

The reason why people struggle for years to lose weight is because maintaining a proper physique is not just a change of one element of your life. You need to consider food and exercise completely differently for the rest of your life to maintain it. You can't just aim to get down 50 pounds by eating nothing but 500 calories of cookies a day. It's possible, but you are not going to be able to stomach those 5 cookies a day every day until the day you die. One day you'll go out and get a sandwich with friends or something and the tenuous relationship with your fad diet that you created will crumble immediately.

Do you know why your family couldn't lose weight? They fucked up. When they told you that they hadn't eaten anything that day, they lied. When they told you they "cheat" only once a week, they lied. When they told you they exercised every day, they lied. You know how I know that? Because they're fat. Their calories in were greater than their calories out for long enough and now they are fat because of it. Reality does not cater to a liar.


As far as appreciation and pride goes, I don't care. If you're proud of being fat, good for you. CWC is proud to be a tranny, good for him. If you want to fuck fat chicks, I don't care. If you want to fuck your car, I don't care. Just don't pretend like you're anything other than a fetishist.

 

[Watermelon1337]

This is such utter and complete bullshit and it makes my blood boil every fucking time I see someone say this shit like it's true.

Do you know why your family couldn't lose weight? They fucked up. When they told you that they hadn't eaten anything that day, they lied. When they told you they "cheat" only once a week, they lied. When they told you they exercised every day, they lied. You know how I know that? Because they're fat. Their calories in were greater than their calories out for long enough and now they are fat because of it. Reality does not cater to a liar.


As far as appreciation and pride goes, I don't care. If you're proud of being fat, good for you. CWC is proud to be a tranny, good for him. If you want to fuck fat chicks, I don't care. If you want to fuck your car, I don't care. Just don't pretend like you're anything other than a fetishist.

...Okay? Sorry it got you so angry, I'm definitely not doubting you, I shouldn't have generalized an entire family like they all had the same routines so that way my fault. I mainly just meant how different it still was from relatives who could barely fit into their cars because they didn't bother with any routine at all. But yeah, they're still fat, I just meant from the OP that I could see the average person struggling with weight (obviously because of lying about regular exercise and diet, I don't doubt that at all) and then the people who weigh over 300 being the loudest about 'body shaming.' My bad

 

[Aquinas]

Pretty sure both OP and Null are wrong.

Fat is a genetics thing

 

[Marvin]

As far as appreciation and pride goes, I don't care. If you're proud of being fat, good for you. CWC is proud to be a tranny, good for him. If you want to fuck fat chicks, I don't care. If you want to fuck your car, I don't care. Just don't pretend like you're anything other than a fetishist.

How do you define fetishist?
Edit:

I've been fat my entire life, but when I was in Portland I started counting calories and fuck all else, and I got down to 185 from 250.

Also, just curious. Portland, OR, I assume?

 

[SpessCaptain]

I like food too much to care.

I am not expecting everyone to be a fucking built up space-marine-esque but it would be nice if people would lose a few pounds, a bit of fat never hurt anyone and a little bit of muscle is fine. But shit man I don't wanna see another Ginger Vegan who hypes on about healthiness as they practically waste away.

Obesity is found in poor people more than middle class due to lack of education and fatty, cheap foods. It's unavoidable for some people due to poor food management.

 

[norrington]

If someone is 30 pounds or more over their healthy weight, unless they happen to be either 1) in great shape 2) over 6'0" then they are either borderline obese or straight up obese at this point. No 'distribution of mass' is gonna change anything like that.

You said Amy Schumer's in complete denial that she needs to lose weight, but she's 5'7 and 160, which is exactly 7 pounds over the standard healthy BMI range for her height. You said +/- 5lbs is fine. So, an extra 2 pounds above the healthy weight range plus the 'acceptable' five = in complete denial about the severe health complications she's facing from her blatantly overweight flabsack of a body?

And that thing you quoted about the SIMPLE plan is detailing a plan to help therapists teach people with schizophrenia to eat right after they're put on antipsychotics, implying that they were eating like shit beforehand and that careful, considerate monitoring by trained psychologists and/or reward-based conditioning is integral to making them stay on track enough to lose, on average, 10 pounds, which is way less than what they seem to be gaining on average, if the risk for heart conditions post-medication doubles within one year of onset like that article says it does.

And it's not that schizophrenia somehow fries all the brain cells that are capable of learning shit about nutrition, most psychotic episodes don't set in 'til your late 20s. It's no harder or easier for them to have known beforehand all the nutrition shit any other person knows, they're eating as healthily or shittily as the average person pre-diagnosis.

So if getting them to the point where they can start losing weight again and maintaining that loss themselves requires all that therapist-monitored legwork for a months-long program with heavy repetition and conditioning to 'reprogram' their brains, was it ever really that easy to eat right in the first place? Is it that easy for someone whose body has fucked up hormones or genetic whatever-the-fucks that causes issues similar to the effects of 2nd gen antipsychotics? You personally found it easy to get into good shape, Da Vinci probably found it easy to sketch that one dude in the big circle with more arms and legs than is entirely necessary, that doesn't make it easy for everybody to draw and shit.

Maybe the problem with weight gain in our world has some other causes apart from poor moral fibre?

 

[Aquinas]

Not shitposting on this one, Amy schumer is a fucking pig, in more ways than one.

 

[norrington]

Not shitposting on this one, Amy schumer is a fucking pig, in more ways than one.

Yeah, so why go after her like she's obese when there's so much else to criticize her for?

net = calories in - calories out

It's true, but you should read 4 Hour Body some time, the dude's an annoying fuck but there's some bits and pieces in that book that are pretty neat in contradiction to this. I might be able to dig up some online shit about the stuff in the book worth reading and/or the arguments against basic calories in vs calories out stuff if there's interest.

 

[AnOminous]

Pretty sure both OP and Null are wrong.

Fat is a genetics thing

There's something called the laws of conservation of matter and energy.

Fat doesn't just spontaneously generate itself out of nothing.

 

[Null]

How do you define fetishist?

a form of sexual desire in which gratification is linked to an abnormal degree to a particular object, item of clothing, part of the body, etc.

Also, just curious. Portland, OR, I assume?

Yes. We were going to meet up but you weren't going to be there for a convention until a few weeks after I left. Weed's bad for your memory ~

 

[Aquinas]

There's something called the laws of conservation of matter and energy.

Fat doesn't just spontaneously generate itself out of nothing.

Science is bullshit, fam

Yeah, so why go after her like she's obese when there's so much else to criticize her for?

Because schumer looks like she ate her old self plus an extra

Spoiler

 

[norrington]

Fat is a genetics thing

Science is bullshit, fam