UK Labour urges government to consider crackdown on VPNs - Literally 1984.


Online Safety Bill amendment would require Ofcom to investigate use of VPNs to circumvent web rules

Labour has urged the government to consider a crackdown on Virtual Private Networks (VPNs) amid concerns that children and teenagers could use them to circumvent age restrictions.

An amendment to the government's Online Safety Bill proposed by MP Sarah Champion on Monday would require telecoms regulator Ofcom to examine whether VPNs are undermining the enforcement of internet regulations.

A VPN is an encrypted connection to the internet that masks a person's location and identity from the websites they are accessing, by routing their data via another computer.

They are commonly used to bypass regional locks on content, by people working remotely who need to access their employer's networks, and by those concerned about their privacy.

But speaking in a Commons debate on Monday Ms Champion said she was worried children could use VPNs to bypass new age verification controls included in the government's bill.

"There are vital protections in the bill, but there is a real threat that the use of virtual private networks — VPNs — could undermine the effectiveness of these measures," the Rotherham MP said.

Ms Champion said evidence suggested that large numbers of teenagers knew how to use a VPN "which means that they can avoid age verification controls".

"So if companies use age assurance tools, as listed in the safety duties of this Bill, there is no guarantee that they will provide the protections that are needed," she said.

"My new clause 54 would require the Secretary of State to publish, within six months of the Bill’s passage, a report on the effect of VPN use on Ofcom’s ability to enforce the requirements under clause 112.

"If VPNs cause significant issues, the Government must identify those issues and find solutions, rather than avoiding difficult problems."

It is likely that all restrictions in the Online Safety Bill can be wholly bypassed by use of a VPN, as the UK government is unable to regulate other countries' connections to the internet – which VPNs give access to.

Virtual Private Networks are widely used by people accessing the internet in countries like China to circumvent government internet restrictions.

Labour’s frontbench confirmed to The Independent on Tuesday that it was supporting Ms Champion's amendment. Speaking for the opposition in the Commons on Monday afternoon Shadow digital minister Alex Davies-Jones said the unamended bill had "gaps" that needed closing.

"I was pleased to see that my honourable friend the member for Rotherham (Sarah Champion) had tabled new clause 54, which asks the Government to formally consider the impact that the use of virtual private networks will have on Ofcom’s ability to enforce its powers," she said.

"This touches on the issue of future-proofing, which Labour has raised repeatedly in debates on the Bill."

The amendment was not called for a vote on Monday but could return at a later stage depending on the passage of the bill.

Under the Online Safety Bill websites that publish pornography or adult content will have to ask users to prove their age.

Controls could include asking for a credit card or having a third-party service confirm age against government data. Sites that fail to act could be fined 10 per cent of their global turnover by Ofcom.
 
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But speaking in a Commons debate on Monday Ms Champion said she was worried children could use VPNs to bypass new age verification controls included in the government's bill.

"There are vital protections in the bill, but there is a real threat that the use of virtual private networks — VPNs — could undermine the effectiveness of these measures," the Rotherham MP said.

Ms Champion said evidence suggested that large numbers of teenagers knew how to use a VPN "which means that they can avoid age verification controls".
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It is likely that all restrictions in the Online Safety Bill can be wholly bypassed by use of a VPN, as the UK government is unable to regulate other countries' connections to the internet – which VPNs give access to.
@Zero Day Defense

Got something to say about this, champ?
> Why and how do you think VPNs and Tor wouldn't immediately make this irrelevant? Unless:
> How can you justify making VPNs and Tor illegal?
Because as I said in that thread this is the inevitable result of any policy that attempts to regulate what a person at home can access on the internet regardless of purpose.
 
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Got something to say about this, champ?
Seems like the easiest workaround would be to ensure that VPN companies doing transactions in the UK also age verify-- which is trivially easy if only adults can have credit cards there as well.

It would also be no more a privacy breach than making an electronic purchase already was.

That said, I'm inclined to agree with @Otterly's first statement. I'm not sure if they're going to try to ensure a universal internet ID (well, your ISP already knows who you are, approximately), but this is strangely uncharacteristic of the United Kingdom which I don't take as overall particularly religious or otherwise concerned about their kids getting bombed with hours of sissy hypno.
 
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Everyone's talking about all the wider internet implications (which is good because it's serious) but I'd like to interject for a moment and point out that most businesses and the UK govt itself make heavy use of VPNs. I'd be very surprised if Labour didn't use them internally.
This decision is completely fuckwitted to essentially anyone who's employed.
 
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Seems like the easiest workaround would be to ensure that VPN companies doing transactions in the UK also age verify-- which is trivially easy if only adults can have credit cards there as well.

It would also be no more a privacy breach than making an electronic purchase already was.

That said, I'm inclined to agree with @Otterly's first statement. I'm not sure if they're going to try to ensure a universal internet ID (well, your ISP already knows who you are, approximately), but this is strangely uncharacteristic of the United Kingdom which I don't take as overall particularly religious or otherwise concerned about their kids getting bombed with hours of sissy hypno.
Eh? It's completely in character for the UK. We've been having universal ID pushed on us since the 80's. It's illegal to have porn of women with small breasts, or women who are tied up. A lot of our laws and citations are morality ones.
 
As has been said, if they gave a shit about the well-being of children they wouldn't have a look the other way policy when dealing with grooming gangs. This is all about political control and censorship.
Considering that this is Merry Ol' UK, where rape is a common part of daily life, I wouldn't be surprised if some of the old fucks went out and decided to "carol" Singin' in the Rain themselves and need some projective leeway.
 
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It's illegal to have porn of women with small breasts
what lol

Couldn't this be easily seen as discrimination? They are basically saying women with small breasts aren't actual adults no matter their age, they've banned a specific group from making adult entertainment due to a biological trait.

I don't really care, all porn could be made illegal and I wouldn't give a fuck but taken on its own that law seems particularly nonsensical.
 
So, like...

...does the judge eyeball this or does he hire an expert in small breasts?

What's the threshold cup size?
It's whatever you can convince the court of from the crown prosecution services perspective.

what about milking machines? woman shitting on glas tables? midgets?
Those would likely fall under the realm of 'Activities involving perversion or degradation'. They also ban schoolgirl roleplay, and verbal abuse. Our laws are puritanical just never enforced.

what lol

Couldn't this be easily seen as discrimination? They are basically saying women with small breasts aren't actual adults no matter their age, they've banned a specific group from making adult entertainment due to a biological trait.

I don't really care, all porn could be made illegal and I wouldn't give a fuck but taken on its own that law seems particularly nonsensical.
It's part of a generic 'No LARPing as underage!' thing they cover for porn bans. If you look too young for porn, you aren't allowed to be in it. Which may hilariously ban short women from porn.
 
Immigrate to the US, bang chicks who are into your accent, and vote in a way that fucks up the statistics.
Amiland is just as fucked if not more so than the United Kingdom, just in very different ways.
We have freedom of speech whereas the UK is arresting people for dating trans women are not women but here you will lose a job for uttering dissent or not going along with made up pronouns.

It is true that an English (or Scottish or Welsh or even Irish) accent will generally allow one to punch above his weight. I have seen, and women I have known have also complained about objectively mediocre guys getting quite a bit of mileage out of that.
Need to get vaxxed to do that and I don't want it
Some of us have resisted getting the vax but the powers that be have made it difficult. It angers me that this shitty government would be given an Anglo brethern all sorts of shit while letting millions of unwashed masses of third brown people waltz right in, no vaccination required. The opposite is also true. Americans of British descent are treated like aliens, while all the fuzzy wuzzies from the former colonies get expedited entry and other specialized treatment.
 
Seems like the easiest workaround would be to ensure that VPN companies doing transactions in the UK also age verify-- which is trivially easy if only adults can have credit cards there as well.

It would also be no more a privacy breach than making an electronic purchase already was.

That said, I'm inclined to agree with @Otterly's first statement. I'm not sure if they're going to try to ensure a universal internet ID (well, your ISP already knows who you are, approximately), but this is strangely uncharacteristic of the United Kingdom which I don't take as overall particularly religious or otherwise concerned about their kids getting bombed with hours of sissy hypno.
Your first draft was better. At least more honest. And the idea that it's ok as long as the VPNs verify - when the point is to make you harder to track - is laughable.

Also, what about tor?
 
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