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[OrangeJuliusEvola]

"This was not a choice of which American to bring home."

Who wants to bet Putin kept the receipts where the diplomatic dickering shows that the Americans were the ones who chose their "one for one" and the Russians didn't disqualify anyone.

I don't think he'd release them right off the bat. but certainly when the moment is opportune.

 

[BULLY HUNTER_78]

The little brown men in trucks will be backed up by dangerhairs watching from the sky via a Predator drone just in case the situation escalates into something a Hellfire needs to take care of.

https://kiwifarms.st/threads/appare...tations-cut-power-to-40-000-americans.137703/

Oops, it seems I linked you to a thread on a completely unrelated article. My bad.

Back on topic, I absolutely agree with Biden when he says that there's no way to fight drones and hellfire missiles that are located at bases which are completely surrounded by insurgents redneck fish-in-a-barrel. Defection rates also won't be a major factor when pilots are ordered to firebomb their neighbors domestic terrorists because of the oath they took. Bottom line is those racist MAGA chuds can't win a civil war, so they'd better shut up and quietly board the train to the concentration reeducation camps.

 

[Celebrate Nite]

The #1 most upVOOTed comment:

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dude weed lmao

Fuck reddit. "dude weed lmao" is what got my state smelling like shit now. Today i saw a nigger crossing the street with a blunt so fucking big I thought it was a tampon that had aborbed some water

 

[DiggieSmalls]

If you can, move to a red state and make it redder. Balkanize. I think the only way forward at this point is getting to the point where the US will break up like Yugoslavia did.

All states are supposedly in play, right winger who lives in New York, California, Illinois, Oregon, Massachusetts, Arizona, etc.? No, these states are all gone. Go somewhere where your values are shared and protected, states like Florida, Texas, Tennessee, Kentucky, Missouri, Oklahoma, Montana, etc.

Erin in the Morn talked about his girlfriend, a trans person who got elected to congress in Montana. I'm not sure how much montana can be in play anymore

 

[OrangeJuliusEvola]

The little brown men in trucks will be backed up by dangerhairs watching from the sky via a Predator drone just in case the situation escalates into something a Hellfire needs to take care of.

I work with dangerhairs, I know dangerhairs.
Those bitches will just drone the first fucking schoolbus they find and then take infinite PTSD leave for "trauma" after.
There is no task, no matter how simple, they can not find a way to fuck up, either purposely or inadvertently, and no organization into which they are inserted that does not react to their presence as a complex machine would when fine grit is poured into the gears.

One hopes dangerhairs run the drone program, because then no objectives would be achieved, and slowly it would morph into a useless dumpster fire, like all things their reverse Midas touch turns into.

Hell, they are the product of the left's long march through the institutions, and ironically, they will be its own undoing of the grand project, these colorful, yet useless and malformed fruit of it's labors.

 

[The Taco Santo!]

There will always be a few who will pilot the drones and attack helicopters and other elite weapons systems, either for money or because the ruling class will have 'people controls' over them, like the Chinese ruling class has over the top generals and nuclear weapons staffs. They keep custody of their families and threaten to execute them at the first sign of defiance or disobedience.

 

[Jonah Hill poster]

Oakmont man detained in Russia to be moved to hard-labor penal colony

Oakmont native Marc Fogel, who has been held in a Moscow detention center for 14 months on a marijuana-related conviction, is being moved to a Russian hard-labor penal colony, his family said. The move to the new facility — located a four- to five-hour train ride away from the detention

triblive.com

Fogel, 61, was detained at Sheremetyevo International Airport on Aug. 14, 2021, as he returned to Moscow to teach in his 10th and final year at the Anglo American School there before retiring.

When he and his wife, Jane, arrived at the airport, Fogel had with him 17 grams of medical marijuana, which had been prescribed to treat chronic pain from a spinal condition.

He was charged with drug smuggling and drug possession, and was held in custody pending trial.

Fogel, who taught internationally for 35 years, attended several hearings in Khimkinsky Moscow Region Court between April and June, and pleaded guilty to both counts.

Although he had cooperated and shown proof of his medical conditions, Fogel was ordered to serve 14 years in a maximum-security penal colony — a sentence in Russia usually handed down to high-volume drug traffickers or killers.

Since that time, Fogel’s loved ones have embarked on a letter-writing campaign to U.S. Secretary of State Antony Blinken, gotten support from former Ambassador to Russia Michael McFaul and received assistance from members of Congress.

They are asking that Fogel be labeled “wrongfully detained,” which would allow for additional U.S. government resources to be committed to securing his release. With that designation, jurisdiction would move to the Special Envoy for Hostage Affairs, Ambassador Roger Carstens.

Hyland said the family has had two face-to-face meetings with the State Department, as well as Zoom calls and emails. Despite their efforts, no such designation has been given, and Fogel’s family has not been given a reason why.

“Unfortunately, these efforts will not result in Marc’s return until the State Department steps up and makes Marc’s release the priority it needs to be,” said Sasha Phillips, an attorney working on the case.

In Fogel’s case, the senators wrote, he meets six, including that he is being detained substantially because he is an American citizen; that his detainment is being used to influence U.S. policy, specifically to obtain a prisoner swap; and the Russian judicial system is not independent and susceptible to corruption.

The letter referenced Fogel’s imminent transfer to a penal colony.

According to a State Department 2021 Country Report on Human Rights Practices in Russia, the senators wrote, “conditions in prisons and detention centers … were often harsh and life-threatening. Overcrowding, abuse by guards and inmates, limited access to health care, food shortages, and inadequate sanitation were common.”

The letter urges the State Department to shift its strategy.

“We cannot allow Mr. Fogel to be used as a political pawn by (Russian President) Vladimir Putin.”

Then last week, Reschenthaler said, he and three other congressmen had the call with the deputy Secretary of State.

She told them that there was not clear and convincing evidence that Fogel met the Levinson criteria, Reschenthaler said.

He called that perspective “laughable,” and said that when he pushed back, asserting that Fogel meets at least six of them, Sherman told him, “This takes time.”

But, Reschenthaler countered, the administration declared WNBA star Brittney Griner — who has been held in Russia since February, also on marijuana charges— to be wrongfully detained within days.

He criticized the administration for seemingly prioritizing Griner and former Marine Paul Whelan, who have both been considered for a prisoner swap, over Fogel.

“The difference is Fogel is a Pittsburgh history teacher and not a celebrity basketball player,” Reschenthaler said. “Why isn’t Fogel in that package?”

In the meantime, Hyland said, her brother continues to deteriorate.

Fogel has already had his initial appeal hearing. It lasted 15 minutes, his sister said. No questions were asked, and the appeal was denied.

His next appeal will be heard by a new judge, she said, and is expected to take about six months.

The family is not confident it will be successful.

Dr. Daniel R. Steiner, Fogel’s primary care doctor since 2013, reviewed his July 27 medical discharge summary from the detention facility.

In a letter, Steiner described Fogel’s treatment as lacking and inadequate. It listed increased pain in his back radiating into his left leg and numbness in his left leg and foot.

“Without proper medical attention, Marc’s health will continue to deteriorate and may eventually result in progressive pain, weakness, dysfunction and/or permanent disability,” Steiner wrote.

The move to the penal colony is especially worrisome, Hyland said, given that Russian prisoners have also been subject to conscription to fight in the war with Ukraine.

“This would be a really, really stressful situation if there wasn’t a war going on,” Hyland said. “You layer that on top, and you don’t know where to turn emotionally.”

Phillips said Fogel’s Russian attorneys laid out for him how to behave during his transport to the penal colony. She called it “disturbing guidance.”

The guidance also warns against communicating with or touching an inmate who is low in the prison hierarchy. Even accidentally doing so can lead to severe consequences, she said.

The only communication with Fogel for his family since his initial arrest has been through letters that are censored.

“He has never, ever been granted a phone call,” Hyland said.

In their last batch of letters, she said, the family tried to keep an optimistic tone.

“We all did the best we could to tell him we wouldn’t stop working on his behalf and how much we love him and can’t wait for him to come home.”

I guess some “prisoners” are better than others.

 

[XYZpdq Jr.]

Is it that fucking hard to just not bring weed to Russia?

 

[Vyse Inglebard]

@Jonah Hill poster

Oakmont man detained in Russia to be moved to hard-labor penal colony​

Oakmont native Marc Fogel, who has been held in a Moscow detention center for 14 months on a marijuana-related conviction, is being moved to a Russian hard-labor penal colony, his family said. The move to the new facility — located a four- to five-hour train ride away from the detention

triblive.com

Fogel, 61, was detained at Sheremetyevo International Airport on Aug. 14, 2021, as he returned to Moscow to teach in his 10th and final year at the Anglo American School there before retiring.

When he and his wife, Jane, arrived at the airport, Fogel had with him 17 grams of medical marijuana, which had been prescribed to treat chronic pain from a spinal condition.

He was charged with drug smuggling and drug possession, and was held in custody pending trial.

Fogel, who taught internationally for 35 years, attended several hearings in Khimkinsky Moscow Region Court between April and June, and pleaded guilty to both counts.

Although he had cooperated and shown proof of his medical conditions, Fogel was ordered to serve 14 years in a maximum-security penal colony — a sentence in Russia usually handed down to high-volume drug traffickers or killers.

Since that time, Fogel’s loved ones have embarked on a letter-writing campaign to U.S. Secretary of State Antony Blinken, gotten support from former Ambassador to Russia Michael McFaul and received assistance from members of Congress.

They are asking that Fogel be labeled “wrongfully detained,” which would allow for additional U.S. government resources to be committed to securing his release. With that designation, jurisdiction would move to the Special Envoy for Hostage Affairs, Ambassador Roger Carstens.

Hyland said the family has had two face-to-face meetings with the State Department, as well as Zoom calls and emails. Despite their efforts, no such designation has been given, and Fogel’s family has not been given a reason why.

“Unfortunately, these efforts will not result in Marc’s return until the State Department steps up and makes Marc’s release the priority it needs to be,” said Sasha Phillips, an attorney working on the case.

In Fogel’s case, the senators wrote, he meets six, including that he is being detained substantially because he is an American citizen; that his detainment is being used to influence U.S. policy, specifically to obtain a prisoner swap; and the Russian judicial system is not independent and susceptible to corruption.

The letter referenced Fogel’s imminent transfer to a penal colony.

According to a State Department 2021 Country Report on Human Rights Practices in Russia, the senators wrote, “conditions in prisons and detention centers … were often harsh and life-threatening. Overcrowding, abuse by guards and inmates, limited access to health care, food shortages, and inadequate sanitation were common.”

The letter urges the State Department to shift its strategy.
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“We cannot allow Mr. Fogel to be used as a political pawn by (Russian President) Vladimir Putin.”

Then last week, Reschenthaler said, he and three other congressmen had the call with the deputy Secretary of State.

She told them that there was not clear and convincing evidence that Fogel met the Levinson criteria, Reschenthaler said.

He called that perspective “laughable,” and said that when he pushed back, asserting that Fogel meets at least six of them, Sherman told him, “This takes time.”

But, Reschenthaler countered, the administration declared WNBA star Brittney Griner — who has been held in Russia since February, also on marijuana charges— to be wrongfully detained within days.

He criticized the administration for seemingly prioritizing Griner and former Marine Paul Whelan, who have both been considered for a prisoner swap, over Fogel.

“The difference is Fogel is a Pittsburgh history teacher and not a celebrity basketball player,” Reschenthaler said. “Why isn’t Fogel in that package?”

In the meantime, Hyland said, her brother continues to deteriorate.

Fogel has already had his initial appeal hearing. It lasted 15 minutes, his sister said. No questions were asked, and the appeal was denied.

His next appeal will be heard by a new judge, she said, and is expected to take about six months.

The family is not confident it will be successful.

Dr. Daniel R. Steiner, Fogel’s primary care doctor since 2013, reviewed his July 27 medical discharge summary from the detention facility.

In a letter, Steiner described Fogel’s treatment as lacking and inadequate. It listed increased pain in his back radiating into his left leg and numbness in his left leg and foot.

“Without proper medical attention, Marc’s health will continue to deteriorate and may eventually result in progressive pain, weakness, dysfunction and/or permanent disability,” Steiner wrote.

The move to the penal colony is especially worrisome, Hyland said, given that Russian prisoners have also been subject to conscription to fight in the war with Ukraine.

“This would be a really, really stressful situation if there wasn’t a war going on,” Hyland said. “You layer that on top, and you don’t know where to turn emotionally.”

Phillips said Fogel’s Russian attorneys laid out for him how to behave during his transport to the penal colony. She called it “disturbing guidance.”

The guidance also warns against communicating with or touching an inmate who is low in the prison hierarchy. Even accidentally doing so can lead to severe consequences, she said.

The only communication with Fogel for his family since his initial arrest has been through letters that are censored.

“He has never, ever been granted a phone call,” Hyland said.

In their last batch of letters, she said, the family tried to keep an optimistic tone.

“We all did the best we could to tell him we wouldn’t stop working on his behalf and how much we love him and can’t wait for him to come home.”

I guess some “prisoners” are better than others.

Still has white privilege, sweaty

 

[Jonah Hill poster]

It’s kind of ironic, though predictable, that Brittney Griner is getting “miraculously“ released as a Christmas miracle. Yet, we still have soldiers that are currently trapped in Afghanistan due to the Biden Administration‘s screw up against the Taliban.

 

[George Lucas]

The most charitable interpretation to this prisoner trade is that the FBI+CIA thinks they’ll be able to catch this guy again somehow, but it looks like it was absolute hell to get him in the first place.

So what the hell was even the point? Did the Biden admin think that trading for a WNBA player would be some kind of positive news cycle? IT’S THE WNBA! Nobody cares about the WNBA! And even so, did they just think nobody would ask who they traded in?

 

[XYZpdq Jr.]

The most charitable interpretation to this prisoner trade is that the FBI+CIA thinks they’ll be able to catch this guy again somehow, but it looks like it was absolute hell to get him in the first place.

A higher up cartel dude just whoops vanished from US custody too so don't hold your breath

 

[mandatorylurk]

If you had any spine you'd at least spin that more wins would have happened had Maricopa and Nevada not been corrupt with voting issues but the bitch can't even do that, and tries weakly to blame candidate quality as people aren't buying that anymore. Below is Harmeet Dhillon being interviewed on Varney and when he tries to get her to say if Trump has any blame, she at least threads the needle by saying the candidates might not have been good in the general but it was because of the lack of actual good candidates which caused the Trump picks to get through, because the RNC doesn't listen to the base. And she has said repeatedly populism is the base, adapt or die. MAGA people don't demand JD Vance or Blake Masters all the time, though it would be nice, but can you at least have Tom Cotton be the bare minimum?

 

[MrJokerRager]

I wonder if there is a full uncensored version out there.

There is a visible cut in footage.

Bout and Griner shook hands is my guess.

 

[Pig Cups]

I wonder if there is a full uncensored version out there.

There is a visible cut in footage.

Bout and Griner shook hands is my guess.

Imagine you’re Bout:

You’ve been freed from prison as part of a prisoner swap, and you’re expecting that for someone of your stature to be released, you must be getting traded for a similarly dangerous figure/spy/agent/soldier.

You then commence “the walk,” expecting that badass moment to occur where you and the other individual traded in the swap stop, look at one another, nod, and continue walking.

Bout thought he was getting traded for an individual much like him, yet as the two parties met on the tarmac, he realized that was not the case, and the ridiculousness set in.

“A fucking pot-headed, ball-dribbling, dyke nog?!? THAT’S what I’m getting traded for?? Are you fucking serious?!?” is what I assume was going through his mind at that moment. I also assume that he and the Russian diplomats were pounding vodkas on that private jet and laughing it up. I mean, I would too if I was them- the US got absolutely finessed with this deal, with Russia enjoying all of the upper hand and optics of strength.

 

[BubbleButt]

 

[Vyse Inglebard]

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"Uh-oh, they're getting uppity! SHUT IT DOWN!"

 

[tehpope]

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We can't allow the plebs to have their own opinions. Shut Everything down now.

 

[Ghjkl63]

Everyone celebrating the release of the retarded drug smuggler is no longer allowed to support gun control.

 

[ChefKiss]

Fucking amazing, half of europe is going to freeze to own putler but god forbid a minor celebrity negress suffer for committing actual crimes