Russian Invasion of Ukraine Megathread - Episode III - Revenge of the Ruski (now unlocked with new skins and gameplay modes!!!)

[Feline Supremacist]

The entire story from Team Z when this started was that it would be effectively over in 2 weeks and done completely in a month.

I'm going to need a credible source on this claim, Chief.



And by credible I mean an actual and official Russian source, not wishful thinking in DC.

 

[Random Internet Person]

Seems obvious what happened and you can make arguments for or against it but the problem is that people are so invested in their "team" they won't admit anything that could possibly paint their side in a negative light or paint the other side in a positive light. I'll admit I'm slightly pro-Russia but I'll admit when they're in the wrong (they've fucked up a LOT and continue to do so) because I'm not hopelessly invested in creating a narrative. I also understand most Ukrainians are just fighting for their country and are good people. Most people in this war aren't Azov Battalion or Wagner Group psychopaths, most are conscripted men fighting to live another day, protect their homes or because they're told to.

I think the reasonable position on this is it was definitely some kind of Anglo-American op but from their point of view it was justified and a means to an end. On the other hand it was also underhanded, unlawful and done without the knowledge or consent of their allies in Europe and it put them in a difficult position. None of this makes Putin a hero or the West evil and its retarded to think that way but sadly you're right about people spinning narratives around it.

You know what's funnier? Everyone thinks Putin is this mac daddy chad, fighting for various things for everyone who doesn't agree with the US State Department, when all Putin wants is for Ukraine to not have what he sees as being an attack dog and an enemy at the gates, and for pro Russia regions to be able to thrive in his sphere of influence.

 

[mindlessobserver]

I'm going to need a credible source on this claim, Chief.

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And by credible I mean an actual and official Russian source, not wishful thinking in DC.

Никонов назвал условия окончания военной операции в Донбассе

▶ Военная спецоперация в Донбассе завершится, как только перестанут «отдавать преступные приказы... Читать далее на Дума ТВ.

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Никонов назвал условия окончания военной операции в Донбассе​

Военная спецоперация в Донбассе завершится, как только перестанут «отдавать преступные приказы», заявил в своем Telegram-канале первый замглавы Комитета Госдумы по международным делам, депутат фракции «Единая Россия» Вячеслав Никонов.

Быстрота операции будет зависеть от того, когда перестанут отдавать преступные приказы. Как только эти приказы перестанут отдавать, то, скорее всего, сопротивление достаточно быстро сойдет на нет,
написал парламентарий.

При этом он добавил, что «могут быть очаговые сопротивления» в ходе операции.

Потому что ясно, что будут национальные батальоны стоять до конца, им, собственно, отступать-то некуда. У нас официально объявлено, что они нацисты, и с ними примирения точно не будет,
пояснил Вячеслав Никонов.

Google translate

Nikonov called the conditions for the end of the military operation in the Donbass
The military special operation in Donbass will end as soon as they stop “giving criminal orders,” said Vyacheslav Nikonov, First Deputy Head of the State Duma Committee on International Affairs, deputy of the United Russia faction, on his Telegram channel.

First Deputy Head of the State Duma Committee on International Affairs, member of the United Russia faction Vyacheslav Nikonov.

The speed of the operation will depend on when they stop issuing criminal orders. As soon as these orders cease to be given, then, most likely, the resistance will quickly come to naught,

written by the MP.

At the same time, he added that “there may be focal resistance” during the operation.

Because it is clear that the national battalions will stand to the end, they, in fact, have nowhere to retreat. We have officially announced that they are Nazis, and there will definitely not be reconciliation with them,

Vyacheslav Nikonov explained.

 

[White_N]

Can you point me towards someone saying that this was gonna be over in 2 weeks and done completely in a month?
Only western sources mentioned this, the same sources saying back in april Russia ran out of ammo, weapons, tanks, oil, money and ideas

I'm going to need a credible source on this claim, Chief.

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And by credible I mean an actual and official Russian source, not wishful thinking in DC.

It's pretty easy to fight with windmills

https://www.foxnews.com/us/gen-mill...s-if-russia-decides-to-invade-ukraine-sources

 

[RobotDog]

Никонов назвал условия окончания военной операции в Донбассе

▶ Военная спецоперация в Донбассе завершится, как только перестанут «отдавать преступные приказы... Читать далее на Дума ТВ.

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Никонов назвал условия окончания военной операции в Донбассе​

Военная спецоперация в Донбассе завершится, как только перестанут «отдавать преступные приказы», заявил в своем Telegram-канале первый замглавы Комитета Госдумы по международным делам, депутат фракции «Единая Россия» Вячеслав Никонов.

При этом он добавил, что «могут быть очаговые сопротивления» в ходе операции.



Google translate

Soooo... where in that article does it says the operation was gonna be over in 2 weeks and done completely in a month?
Here is the full article in english so you can just point out where it says that

 

[Feline Supremacist]

Никонов назвал условия окончания военной операции в Донбассе

▶ Военная спецоперация в Донбассе завершится, как только перестанут «отдавать преступные приказы... Читать далее на Дума ТВ.

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Никонов назвал условия окончания военной операции в Донбассе​

Военная спецоперация в Донбассе завершится, как только перестанут «отдавать преступные приказы», заявил в своем Telegram-канале первый замглавы Комитета Госдумы по международным делам, депутат фракции «Единая Россия» Вячеслав Никонов.

При этом он добавил, что «могут быть очаговые сопротивления» в ходе операции.



Google translate

Where does it say Russia claims the SMO "would be effectively over in 2 weeks and done completely in a month"?

Just because it's an article in Russian Cyrillic doesn't mean I, or others who are actual Russians, can't read what's stated, shitty Google translate of an article about a Telegram post a deputy of a committee in the Russian Duma made notwithstanding.

 

[mindlessobserver]

Where does it say Russia claims the SMO "would be effectively over in 2 weeks and done completely in a month"?

Just because it's an article in Russian Cyrillic doesn't mean I, or others who are actual Russians, can't read what's stated, shitty Google translate of an article about a Telegram post a deputy of a committee in the Russian Duma made notwithstanding.

The dude is quoting Molotov from the invasion of Poland my guy.

 

[Just Some Other Guy]

Lol the only faggots who were claiming 3 days, 2 weeks, whatever, were the hoi4 armchair generals in this thread and others. The same who have to constantly revise their estimates and, uh, "analytics" because they have something to prove to the other armchair generals.

 

[mindlessobserver]

Lol the only faggots who were claiming 3 days, 2 weeks, whatever, were the hoi4 armchair generals in this thread and others. The same who have to constantly revise their estimates and, uh, "analytics" because they have something to prove to the other armchair generals.

The Russian Government certainly encouraged such beliefs. They didn't specifically lay out a time frame, but all their propaganda implied they would be in Kiev rapidly and it would all be over in short order.

 

[RobotDog]

They didn't specifically lay out a time frame, but all their propaganda implied they would be in Kiev rapidly and it would all be over in short order.

So you were lying when you said The entire story from Team Z when this started was that it would be effectively over in 2 weeks and done completely in a month?

They didn't specifically lay out a time frame, but all their propaganda implied they would be in Kiev rapidly and it would all be over in short order.

Can you point me towards any example of that propaganda? If you can be sure to read your sources before you post, so you dont post articles refuting the same claims you claim were made

The dude is quoting Molotov from the invasion of Poland my guy.

Great, I posted the whole article, just point me where it says that, let me post it again, just draw a circle where your claim was made

 

[Just Some Other Guy]

The Russian Government certainly encouraged such beliefs. They didn't specifically lay out a time frame, but all their propaganda implied they would be in Kiev rapidly and it would all be over in short order.

Good to know that as usual, the opinions of internet armchair generals are useless then.

 

[Feline Supremacist]

The dude is quoting Molotov from the invasion of Poland my guy.

We're discussing the Russian invasion of Ukraine/Special Military Operation that commenced on 24 02 2022, not something that happened in the 1930s. Pay attention.

The Russian Government certainly encouraged such beliefs. They didn't specifically lay out a time frame, but all their propaganda implied they would be in Kiev rapidly and it would all be over in short order.

Oh, so this is one of those "it was real in my mind" things, again? You made a baseless claim, posted something that absolutely did not support this claim and in fact, proved the opposite (The speed of the operation will depend on when they stop giving criminal orders. As soon as these orders cease to be given, then, most likely, the resistance will quickly come to naught, the parliamentarian wrote. At the same time, he added that "there may be focal resistances" during the operation) and yet you still believe you proved your original statement.

You exemplify everything wrong with America's foreign policy quite succinctly. Absolutely clueless.

 

[Napoleon Bonerfart]

Evidence for russia expecting to take Kiev in two weeks or less can be corroborated by the fact that the initial invasion force was not properly set up to sustain itself for more than two weeks. This underestimation, on the part of Russia, cost them Kiev.

It can also be corroborated by a 2014 phone call with the EU, in which Putin directly boasted that he could take Kiev in 2 weeks.

 

[mindlessobserver]

We're discussing the Russian invasion of Ukraine/Special Military Operation that commenced on 24 02 2022, not something that happened in the 1930s. Pay attention.

Oh, so this is one of those "it was real in my mind" things, again? You made a baseless claim, posted something that absolutely did not support this claim and in fact, proved the opposite (The speed of the operation will depend on when they stop giving criminal orders. As soon as these orders cease to be given, then, most likely, the resistance will quickly come to naught, the parliamentarian wrote. At the same time, he added that "there may be focal resistances" during the operation) and yet you still believe you proved your original statement.

You exemplify everything wrong with America's foreign policy quite succinctly. Absolutely clueless.

The problem with this statement is, setting aside the timeline, even the OBJECTIVE of the "Special Military Operation" has been kept intentionally vague. That way Russia can want Kiev until they can't have it, then they never wanted it in the first place.

This sort of Pedantic phrasing is why even the Russian Soldiers on the ground didn't know what their overall objectives are.

So "It's real in my mind" in the sense the only way to truly know is to guess based on what public pronouncements the Russian Government and their mouth pieces are saying. And prior to the retreat from Kiev...sorry, the successful withdrawal after a feinting operation from Kiev...they were all universally optimistic of rapid victory. The fact that a Russian parliamentarian in Putins party was quoting Molotov from an invasion that lasted 3 weeks is a pretty good indication of their strategic thinking at the time.

 

[RobotDog]

We're discussing the Russian invasion of Ukraine/Special Military Operation that commenced on 24 02 2022, not something that happened in the 1930s. Pay attention.

Oh, so this is one of those "it was real in my mind" things, again? You made a baseless claim, posted something that absolutely did not support this claim and in fact, proved the opposite (The speed of the operation will depend on when they stop giving criminal orders. As soon as these orders cease to be given, then, most likely, the resistance will quickly come to naught, the parliamentarian wrote. At the same time, he added that "there may be focal resistances" during the operation) and yet you still believe you proved your original statement.

You exemplify everything wrong with America's foreign policy quite succinctly. Absolutely clueless.

Damn, I guess we are being a little harsh on @mindlessobserver , its quite probably he is a special needs kid

Hey little pal, look, I just found what you just mentioned! You are such a smart and brave little buddy!
You were right! Putin did claim the whole ordeal was going to be over in a few days

Evidence for russia expecting to take Kiev in two weeks or less can be corroborated by the fact that the initial invasion force was not properly set up to sustain itself for more than two weeks. This underestimation, on the part of Russia, cost them Kiev.

It can also be corroborated by a 2014 phone call with the EU, in which Putin directly boasted that he could take Kiev in 2 weeks.

Oh yeah, this has to be true, I mean, thats why Russia went all in on Ukraine and ran out of weapons, missiles and drones back in April

 

[Napoleon Bonerfart]

Oh yeah, this has to be true, I mean, thats why Russia went all in on Ukraine and ran out of weapons, missiles and drones back in April

Putin's statement was confirmed by the Kremlin.

 

[Feline Supremacist]

The problem with this statement is, setting aside the timeline, even the OBJECTIVE of the "Special Military Operation" has been kept intentionally vague. That way Russia can want Kiev until they can't have it, then they never wanted it in the first place.

This sort of Pedantic phrasing is why even the Russian Soldiers on the ground didn't know what their overall objectives are.

So "It's real in my mind" in the sense the only way to truly know is to guess based on what public pronouncements the Russian Government and their mouth pieces are saying. And prior to the retreat from Kiev...sorry, the successful withdrawal after a feinting operation from Kiev...they were all universally optimistic of rapid victory. The fact that a Russian parliamentarian in Putins party was from an invasion that lasted 3 weeks is a pretty good indication of their strategic thinking at the time.

See, you just parrot whatever talking head is blathering on about, with phrases like "the OBJECTIVE of the 'Special Military Operation' has been kept intentionally vague" "Pedantic phrasing", "the only way to truly know is to guess"; subjective opinion and conjecture, not fact or quotes from Russian military officials.

You claimed the people behind the SMO said it would be "effectively over in two weeks" and "completely done in a month" when no one, not even the most optimistic Victory Flag waving Russian boomer said such things. When you can't prove your claims you throw up all kinds of other arguments and facts that have nothing to do with the topic at hand, in an attempt to obfuscate.

Protip: next time you copypaste Ukrainian talking points make sure you don't capitalize random words in a sentence. At least do us the courtesy of using good grammar.

 

[RobotDog]

Putin's statement was confirmed by the Kremlin.

Oh yes, of course, the call he made in 2014 with the EC president, I mean, its not like anything has changed in the past 8 years, and like some ex german chancellor said last week, this whole time was used to fund Ukraine's military
Of course, not of that happened, Ukraine's military is just the same as it was in 2014

But I bet you can do better than our little buddy @mindlessobserver and provide some actual sources on the whole "the SMO will be done in a few weeks" claimed by those mean ruZZians

 

[Napoleon Bonerfart]

I mean, its not like anything has changed in the past 8 years

Putin's desire to invade and Occupy Ukraine certainly hasn't.

 

[Just Some Other Guy]

See, you just parrot whatever talking head is blathering on about, with phrases like "the OBJECTIVE of the 'Special Military Operation' has been kept intentionally vague" "Pedantic phrasing", "the only way to truly know is to guess"; subjective opinion and conjecture, not fact or quotes from Russian military officials.

That's my favorite thing about the armchair generals. Oh boy do they want to sound like the next Rommel, but all they do is parrot sources of convenience. Then when wrong, it's all due to "well we were led to believe this by blah", you know, instead of having original ideas.

This would all be whatever, but then comes the absolute level of smugness when anything they say turns out to even have shred of actually happening. Then it's a literal novel page of how correct they always were because again, they're the Desert Fox incarnate.