How would Null's life be different if he ran this site anonymously? - there's only so much BS a human can take, a lesser person would have quit way sooner.

[JackoVerde]

there's a few questions that need to be answered first.
1. if you were to run a kiwi farms anonymously, what avenues would be used to maximize anonymity?
2. how long could he stay anonymous with these avenues?
3. how would his personal life be different if he maintained this anonymity?

a few things off the top of my head is people wouldn't be constantly fucking with his personal life. if you don't know who he is, they'd be less likely to fuck with his lawyers, fuck with his banks, and other stuff like that. also the crazy shit like sending threats to his family and schools. there's probably other stuff like not becoming a recluse in public and the separation of the public persona and the kiwfarms persona.

 

[Ewan McGregor]

It is impossible to run a site anonymously, dum-dum

If you piss off enough people on the Internet, or the right people, you will be found.

 

[McMitch]

I think null has expressed a “question 0”, in that his decision to lose his anonymous status has directly contributed to the survival of the site from both internal and external factors.

 

[JackoVerde]

It is impossible to run a site anonymously, dum-dum

If you piss off enough people on the Internet, or the right people, you will be found.

that's question number 2, how long could he keep it up.
when will the manhunt for Null happen so to speak.
i mean he's not running a silk road or illegal porn op.
will keffals or liz fong jones be the one to do him in, or maybe the whole janke situation.

maybe the Byuu suicide thing.

 

[Ewan McGregor]

that's question number 2, how long could he keep it up.
when will the manhunt for Null happen so to speak.
i mean he's not running a silk road or illegal porn op.
will keffals or liz fong jones be the one to do him in, or maybe the whole janke situation.

maybe the Byuu suicide thing.

I would say if he had remained anonymous, shit would had hit the fan much earlier, at some point in 2018 at the zeitgeist of the Trumperreich. Media would have gone in a frenzy about the Kiwifarms, its mysterious admin, and this and that. Null being public as Joshua Moon meant that there was no space to keep the machine in that sense. There was no need for endless articles about the mysterious admin or admins behind the Kiwi Farms. It was just Null. And there wasn't anything else to say than his name and possibly his dox.

Bear in mind Josh was involved with the very controversial 8Chan at the time, which was at the center of the storm as a haven for murderers and pedophiles. Null was fired by Hot Wheels over a dispute about how that place should be managed, I am not aware of the details. In time, 8Chan was nuked from the Clearnet. In retrospect, it's easy to infer who was in the right.

So, yeah, basically the Kiwifarms inherited a lot of shit from Null's involvement with Brennan & Watkins, including reputation. Null's obviously right leaning which doesn't help, but the reason why the Manhunt for Null didn't started back then is because of Null's efforts to keep the forum, if not apolitical, at least somewhat politically diverse. And because you might have noticed that, despite being a free speech platform, one thing noticeably absent from this forum is pornography.

So the axe only fell on this forums really because as Biden wormed his way into the White House and ramped up crazy liberal politics, it became immediately apparent that one of the progressives protected classes is vastly over represented amongst the sort of people usually featured here. Thus, the forum became inevitably politicised much to Null's dismay.

In any case, him not being anonimous gives opponents a certain feeling of safety and control (They know who he is, they know what he look like, they know where he lives and he posts everything regarding the guts of the website) that might contribute to appease the blood thirst.


I figure that if he had managed to remain anonymous the "I want the forum out of the Internet now, now, NOW" would be much more intense and desperate.

 

[JackoVerde]

i think another factor that may be bad for us or the site, but good for null is if his identity remained anonymous, he might have been more willing to quit the site. maybe have that trad family feeder wife he always wanted.

imagine getting a job, when a simple background check reveals you as Null the anti trans neo nazi who ran a new zealand forum site. without that pressure, he'd probably be less willing to hold onto it. or he might just run it on the onion browser since he doesn't rely on it for income.

 

[FILTH Tourist]

It would be impossible to remain anonymous, as Null would have to do business with backend services and governments with his real identity, so there is a link between Josh and Null. And given that a hobby for some users here is doxing, it would be a matter of time before people figure out who he is though those.

Here, I will do it right now. He had to register Kiwi Farms as a business, and he did it under LOLCOW LLC. A quick google and viola!

 

[Eydallur]

Why don't you find a different site to sully you uncircumsized demon troll?

 

[JackoVerde]

Here, I will do it right now. He had to register Kiwi Farms as a business, and he did it under LOLCOW LLC. A quick google and viola!

there are anonymous LLCs, i imagine running kiwifarms truly anonymously would mean it's a smller site run on the onion and taking payment purely in crytpo.

if null had enough starter money, he could run kiwifarms through so many shells finding out who actually owns it would require a literal glowie op.

 

[Null]

there are anonymous LLCs, i imagine running kiwifarms truly anonymously would mean it's a smller site run on the onion and taking payment purely in crytpo.

if null had enough starter money, he could run kiwifarms through so many shells finding out who actually owns it would require a literal glowie op.

All it'd take to ID is to sue the owner. Either you answer in court, or you don't and get a default judgement which can be used to seize your domains. This HYPER-ENCRYPTED LLC thing is an invention of your fantasies. It doesn't work like that in real life. Maybe if you're laundering sex trafficking money. Not if you have a domain.

There is no such thing as an anonymous website on the clearnet, especially one people are determined to take down.

 

[rel=alternate]

It would be impossible to remain anonymous, as Null would have to do business with backend services and governments with his real identity, so there is a link between Josh and Null. And given that a hobby for some users here is doxing, it would be a matter of time before people figure out who he is though those.

Here, I will do it right now. He had to register Kiwi Farms as a business, and he did it under LOLCOW LLC. A quick google and viola!

Exactly this. To be able to protect the forum efficiently and comply with regulation, you need a company. The anonymity falls appart from the start in this case.

Then, there are all of the companies the forum has to deal with, the hosting, the DDOS protection, the licenses, the registrar etc.

This also means that you probably can't fight DMCAs if you are not willing to provide info (or is it only a one way street?)

Anyway, at the scale the farm has, there is absolutely no way it could be run efficiently, or at all with an anonymous owner. The state requires a sacrificial lamb.

 

[JackoVerde]

Anyway, at the scale the farm has, there is absolutely no way it could be run efficiently, or at all with an anonymous owner. The state requires a sacrificial lamb.

my other option would be a patsy owner.
Joshua moon is not the owner of kiwifarms. he's merely a tech suport employee and translator, who's overpaid.
Manjeet from india owns 100% of kiwifarms and shows up to court and shit.

that's probably retarded though.

 

[rel=alternate]

my other option would be a patsy owner.
Joshua moon is not the owner of kiwifarms. he's merely a tech suport employee and translator, who's overpaid.
Manjeet from india owns 100% of kiwifarms and shows up to court and shit.

that's probably retarded though.

It's only retarded because only someone who truly cares would go through this amount of shit. Otherwise, I like the idea.

 

[Schwarzwald]

Hypothetically, if such a thing could work either legally or monetarily...

It would depend a lot on when AnonyNull started running the site. He's mentioned that he's changed a lot as a person in his time running KF and from when he was younger. In a recent stream, I recall him mentioning that his identity was revealed against his wishes by a disgruntled user, but he commented that having his identity out there did him a lot of good in terms of not abusing his position. In an alternate universe with a permanently anonymous Null, this site could have different guidelines or a more malevolent administrator that would be more in-line with how the media portrays it. Ethically, the Null that developed through his experiences and we have today is the perfect administrator for the website: stubborn and fearless, but having lines he won't cross. We've even seen him stick up for several lolcows when users are unfair or go too far.

Given all of the vitriol directed at KF and Null, especially over this last year, I can't imagine how terrifying that it would be to administrate this site anonymously. He'd probably still be in the US working some other job and wake up every day in horrible anxiety that his identity would be revealed somehow. It would be like having the Sword of Damacles hanging over your head at all times. Would probably drive anybody insane, and he'd have given up by now, if he hadn't already.

If anything, it was probably for the best, both in theory and in practice, that Null has his identity out there.

 

[Hannibalistique]

The biggest issue is that it shouldn't be necessary for the owner of a site like this to be anonymous.

There's nothing illegal here, and from what I've seen it is better at complying with actually lawful orders than many other sites.

It's a fucking gossip site that allows users to be rude and use swear words.

(I blame JBP's latest spergout for putting this idea in my head.)

 

[Jonah's Whale]

When the demon in the human skin suit Kefffalz tried to wipe KF off the face of the Earth (backed by the mainstream whore of Babylon media no less), I decided to pray for Null and this site to be restored, regenerated and protected. I figured hey, if the devil can have his army attacking this site for exposing him living in human skin suits, then those of us who belong to the Lord's army, can rebuke, expose and reprove him. Glad you do what you do Null, no warrior remains anonymous when the war is at his door; everyone will stand up and be counted one day anyways. I believe this site is in fact the last bastion of free speech on the internet and likely in the World, for real. I tip my hat to you Null and all those who support you.

Once this place is gone, you can rest assured, we'll all either be in some Chinaesque concentration camp being exterminated, already dead or living large off squirrels and berries in the woods while trying to hide from killer robots.

Either way, as the last generation at the end of days, it's a good time to be alive, indeed.

 

[Nykysnottrans]

Theoretically speaking, I'd like to think that running a site like KF anonymously, were that possible, would make it easier to step away from it the moment that anonymity is on the verge of being breached. It becomes a chicken-or-the-egg question: does the site enable the continuance of one's anonymity, or does one's anonymity enable the continuance of the site? When the two are so interdependent, the one would go down with the other, methinks.

 

[FILTH Tourist]

my other option would be a patsy owner.
Joshua moon is not the owner of kiwifarms. he's merely a tech suport employee and translator, who's overpaid.
Manjeet from india owns 100% of kiwifarms and shows up to court and shit.

that's probably retarded though.

Well there is a few problems:

• They would be unable to hold down a normal job due harassment from anti farms people
• They will be harassed legally or by people coming to them in person
• They will be slandered by journos
• They will be pressured by governments
• Their relationships will be strained as people harass them too
• Their reputation would be in unsalvageable tatters.
• Depending on what country they are a citizen of, they can also go to jail.

It takes a special autist to put up with all that and no money on earth will ever be enough for a patsy to do all that.

 

[JackoVerde]

Well there is a few problems:

• They would be unable to hold down a normal job due harassment from anti farms people
• They will be harassed legally or by people coming to them in person
• They will be slandered by journos
• They will be pressured by governments
• Their relationships will be strained as people harass them too
• Their reputation would be in unsalvageable tatters.
• Depending on what country they are a citizen of, they can also go to jail.

It takes a special autist to put up with all that and no money on earth will ever be enough for a patsy to do all that.

india could actually be a good candidate in this regard depending on how we play it.
there are a shitload poor currycels who might agree to be a patsy
also not sure if they have the holocaust denial problem thing. considering a politican walked around in SS garb once. even in america with our free speech it would be untenable here.
maybe you'd have to limit it to remove powerful indian politicians from the topics, for safety.

other options for a patsy could be pakistan, not too fond of jews and not enough activist there to be harrassed. saudi arabia, quatar, uae. iran the literal land of aryans might not have qualms with holocausr stuff, also not enough troons to fuck with the owner.

the why are you gay country.

 

[murph]

I don't take this site for granted, and Null is still a young man. He could change his name and leave this site behind at any time with the right financial incentives.

At Christmastime it's good to be thankful for all sources of joy. I like most of you niggerfaggots. I hope Null finds a suitable wife and I wish all of you a joyous Christmas season.