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[Trashtaur]

I finished watching Del Toro’s Pinocchio today and I honestly quite liked it. Easily one of my favorite renditions of the story alongside the original Disney Film (the 40s one, not the shitty live action remake).

My favorite aspects had to be the visuals and the music. The character and creature designs are incredibly imaginative and there’s a lot of good recurring musical motifs throughout the film.
I do think the story was weak in some places; I feel there should’ve been some more buildup of the relationship between Gepetto and Pinocchio, and I wish they had followed up more on Candlewick’s story arc. It just kind of ends and we never see him again.
I gotta say though, the creature designs in this movie are gold standard. Monstro looks so fucking cool in this movie - I especially love how he’s referred to as the Dogfish within the film as a reference to the original book. I also really love how his design is a callback to the freaky sea monsters on old maps, mainly with the multiple blow holes and frills and shit.

The designs of the Fae creatures were really fuckin cool too, but I don’t want to spoil anything.

The stop motion is very well done. I like that its smooth but not so smooth to where it doesn’t look handmade anymore, but not so stiff so that it suffers. It’s a good balance, like Coraline or Paranorman.

I think this movie suffers the most with its pacing. The story and characters are good, but this pacing issue causes them to stumble in a few places, though not to the point where it completely destroys the final product. I definitely feel it would’ve benefited more from a few cuts here and there as well as some added scenes. But overall I found it to be a very solid, well-written, enjoyable story. Obviously there’s gonna be people who nitpick the fuck out of it, and I know it’s not a perfect movie, but honestly I don’t even care anymore. I personally found more strengths in this film than flaws, and I think that says something.

These past couple years’ worth of animated films have left me feeling so burnt out and cynical that I’m happy to find something that I can actually call good, even if it isn’t flawless. Out of all of the Pinocchio stuff that’s come out this year, this one is definitely the strongest by a long shot.

 

[Arianne Chan]

Can anyone recommend me any good series? Since i finished Hilda i haven't seen anything interesting

 

[Shidoen]

I don't know about you, i'd vote for him.

 

[Quijibo69]

I finished watching Del Toro’s Pinocchio today and I honestly quite liked it. Easily one of my favorite renditions of the story alongside the original Disney Film (the 40s one, not the shitty live action remake).

My favorite aspects had to be the visuals and the music. The character and creature designs are incredibly imaginative and there’s a lot of good recurring musical motifs throughout the film.
I do think the story was weak in some places; I feel there should’ve been some more buildup of the relationship between Gepetto and Pinocchio, and I wish they had followed up more on Candlewick’s story arc. It just kind of ends and we never see him again.
I gotta say though, the creature designs in this movie are gold standard. Monstro looks so fucking cool in this movie - I especially love how he’s referred to as the Dogfish within the film as a reference to the original book. I also really love how his design is a callback to the freaky sea monsters on old maps, mainly with the multiple blow holes and frills and shit.

The designs of the Fae creatures were really fuckin cool too, but I don’t want to spoil anything.

The stop motion is very well done. I like that its smooth but not so smooth to where it doesn’t look handmade anymore, but not so stiff so that it suffers. It’s a good balance, like Coraline or Paranorman.

I think this movie suffers the most with its pacing. The story and characters are good, but this pacing issue causes them to stumble in a few places, though not to the point where it completely destroys the final product. I definitely feel it would’ve benefited more from a few cuts here and there as well as some added scenes. But overall I found it to be a very solid, well-written, enjoyable story. Obviously there’s gonna be people who nitpick the fuck out of it, and I know it’s not a perfect movie, but honestly I don’t even care anymore. I personally found more strengths in this film than flaws, and I think that says something.

These past couple years’ worth of animated films have left me feeling so burnt out and cynical that I’m happy to find something that I can actually call good, even if it isn’t flawless. Out of all of the Pinocchio stuff that’s come out this year, this one is definitely the strongest by a long shot.

In the middle of watching it thing/s I hated about it is:

Spoiler

Literally Hitler is in it to hammer down puppet morale. There's also no fox and cat in this, just goes to the circus.

The description makes it sound like the ultimate blackpill

Sorry for double post but I watched the new Pinnochio. Overall: Meh.

Just got done watching it and I agree. Another problem with the movie it's too long for no reason. The whale part went on for too long. I would rather watch Adventures of Mark Twain than this.

 

[Trilby]

In the middle of watching it thing/s I hated about it is:

Spoiler

Literally Hitler is in it to hammer down puppet morale. There's also no fox and cat in this, just goes to the circus.

Just got done watching it and I agree. Another problem with the movie it's too long for no reason. The whale part went on for too long. I would rather watch Adventures of Mark Twain than this.

Shame they got rid of the fox and cat. I guess Del Toro couldn't figure out how to work talking animals into this.

 

[Life is Hell...]

Shame they got rid of the fox and cat. I guess Del Toro couldn't figure out how to work talking animals into this.

Actually, when the film was still in development, they had multiple ideas for what the Fox and Cat characters would be like. One of the more interesting ideas was for them to be crooks in costumes, which is what McHale designed them as.

And even earlier than that, they were designed as humans.

So in the end, they didn't know what to do with them. So they combined Mangiafuoco and The Fox and Cat characters, and that's how Count Volpe was created.

 

[wtfNeedSignUp]

I wish sitcoms (Simpsons, King of the Hill) had a tag for what characters are important in each episode so I'd know which ones to skip if I'm not in the mood for a specific character

 

[Woke Blue Muttlema]

Just finished Del Toro’s Pinocchio and it sure is one of the Del Toro films of all time. The guy is unmatched in what comes to art direction, concepts and themes (or at least among the best at finding people that do) and creating an atmosphere straight out of a fairy tail (the old kind, not the pussy Disney shit). As usual with Del Toro (at least his recent efforts) it seems what he chooses to do with all of this is not a priority.

Without power leveling too much, last year I participated in contest to get a film produced with an admittedly rough story and my tutor told me it reminded her of something by Del Toro. That in mundane terms is both a compliment and a nice way of saying “let’s see how the fuck are you going to produce this” (at least that’s what everyone else that saw my project was probably thinking). With Del Toro it seems that at some point plot became secondary to visual storytelling or just straight up eye candy so you have a bunch of very cool stuff going on and some of it is going to stay that way while the rest has actual significance to the story.

This Pinocchio has a fascinating angle but I feel like it has held back by both trying to be a new interpretation set during WW2 and capturing the essence of the original. Isn’t too bad but I think is a tad more obvious in the second half. I feel that the compromises they made between both visions might not have been the correct ones but that doesn’t take from it being a great movie.

To me it felt like the anti-Mark Osborne’s The Little Prince in the sense that both movies are their own thing but Pinocchio is too different from its source material to be proper tribute. In what comes to Pinocchio film adaptations this one is pretty good, it blows the Disney+ shit out of the water but maybe for a Pinocchio purist Matteo Garrone’s version might be more appropriate.

 

[Trianon]

With Del Toro it seems that at some point plot became secondary to visual storytelling or just straight up eye candy so you have a bunch of very cool stuff going on and some of it is going to stay that way while the rest has actual significance to the story.

That's definitely how I feel about him. I love his concepts and him as a person, but I wish he'd give a few more passes to his scripts sometimes. I have yet to see Pinocchio, but that was my impression of Crimson Peak and The Shape of Water, for sure. (Hellboy still fucks.)

 

[Jonah Hill poster]

Three Anime Movies Are Eligible For Oscar Nominations

We just learned from The Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences which anime are qualified to be nominated for Best Animated Feature Film.

otakuusamagazine.com

We just learned from The Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences which anime are qualified to be nominated for Best Animated Feature Film. All of these anime movies had to have played in a major U.S. metropolitan area sometime this year.

There are twenty-seven movies in all that are eligible for nomination: Apollo 10 1/2: A Space Age Childhood; The Bad Guys; The Bob’s Burgers Movie; Charlotte; DC League of Super-Pets; Drifting Home; Eternal Spring; Goodbye, Don Glees!; Guillermo del Toro’s Pinocchio; INU-OH; Lamya’s Poem; Lightyear; Little Nicholas: Happy as Can Be; Luck; Mad God; Marcel the Shell with Shoes On; Minions: The Rise of Gru; My Father’s Dragon; New Gods: Yang Jian; Oink; Paws of Fury: The Legend of Hank; Puss in Boots: The Last Wish; Run, Tiger Run!; The Sea Beast; Strange World; Turning Red; and Wendell & Wild.

These will need to be narrowed down to five nominees, and we’ll know which movies get chosen on January 24. The Oscars ceremony is scheduled for March 12.

 

[DeadwastePrime]

Three Anime Movies Are Eligible For Oscar Nominations

We just learned from The Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences which anime are qualified to be nominated for Best Animated Feature Film.

otakuusamagazine.com

i am 99% certain at best only one of these movies get picked at all and then it loses to something disney/pixar released this year because no one in hollywood takes animation seriously

 

[Grumpy Pickle Rick]

Sadly i can't draw shit, but i think i can write good enough to give some of my main characters descriptions of how they're athletic and muscular without being cute, 'cus the central focus in the novel i'm working on is war, and you can't make war a cute topic.

Well, if you can always ask for commission by an online artist. That’s what I do.

And on another note, I think it’s great that you’re focusing on the topic and characters instead of now cute they are.

I honestly wish more writers did that, focus on the story and character’s personality instead of their looks and shipping.

 

[Prophetic Spirit]

And on another note, I think it’s great that you’re focusing on the topic and characters instead of now cute they are.

I honestly wish more writers did that, focus on the story and character’s personality instead of their looks and shipping junk.

I have my inspirations and my main plot idea finished for a long time, but i'm still struggling for the nodes between.

There's a lot in the novel, and i can assure you one of the main things i want to show is creating the most grounded characters; neither the protagonist or the final antagonist are inherently good or evil. That's more extreme and depressive in the sequel which i said in the avatar thread; the fallen "hero" is the final confrontation, and again the protagonist is dubious in the moral compass.

Now, why? Because there's a explanation inside in the novel, something supernatural but related to a linage.

There's romance, but is pretty long the developing (as a natural relationship is); and is needed for the character arc in my protagonist and many others in a background plane. There's 2 love interests within the protagonist, but one of them dies and creates a dark phase in him for a good chunk of the novel. The 2nd one is the actual one but with a lot of struggles between after the death of the 1st one before the final stage of it.

Is a lifetime project, and i want to finish a trilogy at least. And if i became succesful, i really want to try being a writer in the western animation. I know it's impossible with all the shit i've seen in this thread but i really wish to innovate in the industry.

 

[starborn427614]

Just finished Del Toro’s Pinocchio and it sure is one of the Del Toro films of all time. The guy is unmatched in what comes to art direction, concepts and themes (or at least among the best at finding people that do) and creating an atmosphere straight out of a fairy tail (the old kind, not the pussy Disney shit). As usual with Del Toro (at least his recent efforts) it seems what he chooses to do with all of this is not a priority.

Without power leveling too much, last year I participated in contest to get a film produced with an admittedly rough story and my tutor told me it reminded her of something by Del Toro. That in mundane terms is both a compliment and a nice way of saying “let’s see how the fuck are you going to produce this” (at least that’s what everyone else that saw my project was probably thinking). With Del Toro it seems that at some point plot became secondary to visual storytelling or just straight up eye candy so you have a bunch of very cool stuff going on and some of it is going to stay that way while the rest has actual significance to the story.

This Pinocchio has a fascinating angle but I feel like it has held back by both trying to be a new interpretation set during WW2 and capturing the essence of the original. Isn’t too bad but I think is a tad more obvious in the second half. I feel that the compromises they made between both visions might not have been the correct ones but that doesn’t take from it being a great movie.

To me it felt like the anti-Mark Osborne’s The Little Prince in the sense that both movies are their own thing but Pinocchio is too different from its source material to be proper tribute. In what comes to Pinocchio film adaptations this one is pretty good, it blows the Disney+ shit out of the water but maybe for a Pinocchio purist Matteo Garrone’s version might be more appropriate.

You can tell the movie's spinning plates (so to speak) by the time Pinocchio stands up to Volpe. Great movie, but the pacing in the second half could have used some tightening up. I also missed the chaotic tone of Pleasure Island with the boys turning into donkeys that was in Disney's original movie, but that's more a personal preference than a criticism really.

 

[Fluoxetine Man]

 

[Trilby]

Got this in my head again!

And this!

 

[Grumpy Pickle Rick]

I have my inspirations and my main plot idea finished for a long time, but i'm still struggling for the nodes between.

There's a lot in the novel, and i can assure you one of the main things i want to show is creating the most grounded characters; neither the protagonist or the final antagonist are inherently good or evil. That's more extreme and depressive in the sequel which i said in the avatar thread; the fallen "hero" is the final confrontation, and again the protagonist is dubious in the moral compass.

Now, why? Because there's a explanation inside in the novel, something supernatural but related to a linage.

There's romance, but is pretty long the developing (as a natural relationship is); and is needed for the character arc in my protagonist and many others in a background plane. There's 2 love interests within the protagonist, but one of them dies and creates a dark phase in him for a good chunk of the novel. The 2nd one is the actual one but with a lot of struggles between after the death of the 1st one before the final stage of it.

Is a lifetime project, and i want to finish a trilogy at least. And if i became succesful, i really want to try being a writer in the western animation. I know it's impossible with all the shit i've seen in this thread but i really wish to innovate in the industry.

Your idea sounds interesting and well thought-out. And I like that you’re trying to be innovative and create more grounded characters, we need more people like that.

I’ve had similar thoughts for one of my stories. In my story, there are two protagonists, one will fall and the other will succeed.

You see both start out as friends then they break up and go separate ways. One falls to the villain and the other saves his home and family.

The whole point of my story is to show that no human is entirely good or evil, the hero doesn’t always succeed and that you have to be your hero in life. Which is something I honestly believe in.

I got the idea from Rapunzel’s Tangled Adventure, I’m basing the protagonists off of Rapunzel and Varian. I didn’t like the show, considering the writing was inconsistent and shoddy(and I think Chris Sonnenburg is a hack) but I did like some of the characters and concepts, so I’m building from that.

And I think you can become a great writer in western animation but just some friendly advice you might want to work for a smaller, independent studio.

 

[Colon capital V]

This is a bit out of the blue, but I truly fucking hate Valskibum and his shat out, dragged out Cartoon News "Content."

Now look, I could forgive some of the clickbait he does, I could forgive some of the dragged out padding he has in his videos, hell I wouldn't mind that he was just another content farm; IF he did not have the worst, most autistic/unlistenable voice you could give to anyone. I just hate how he's the only person (and the biggest person) on youtube who reports on animation news and he has to have THAT voice.

Cartoon spergs deserve better... (sometimes)

 

[fartsnstuf]

This is a bit out of the blue, but I truly fucking hate Valskibum and his shat out, dragged out Cartoon News "Content."

Now look, I could forgive some of the clickbait he does, I could forgive some of the dragged out padding he has in his videos, hell I wouldn't mind that he was just another content farm; IF he did not have the worst, most autistic/unlistenable voice you could give to anyone. I just hate how he's the only person (and the biggest person) on youtube who reports on animation news and he has to have THAT voice.

Cartoon spergs deserve better... (sometimes)

he's a cartoon reviewer, its kinda obvious that he's autistic and a mouth breather

 

[starborn427614]

Sonic Prime's out on Netflix. The first eight episodes are fairly decent, definitely a sight better than both Boom and Underground (though what cartoon isn't). Can't really give a full opinion until the whole thing's out, but apart from some "heh, chilli dogs am I right?" moments (and the fact it's geared more towards kids) it's doing its job just fine so far.