Russian Invasion of Ukraine Megathread - Episode III - Revenge of the Ruski (now unlocked with new skins and gameplay modes!!!)

[BaldAndMorallyBankrupt]

An interview with General Valery Zaluzhny, head of Ukraine’s armed forces

Edited highlights of our conversation

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TL;DR......The Ukrainians are barely hanging on


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NATO will have to sell the shirt off their back to meet this new demand.

Honestly, i believe that all the "aid" in Ukraine is mostly a ploy to empty out the storage to make room for new stuff. I'm specifically talking about the military equipment mind you. Think about it, all of the equipment that was sent to Ukraine was super old shit that some of the time comes in really poor condition.

Contrary to popular belief you can't just vault equipment indefinitely, you need to store it well, periodically check on it and periodically make sure the bunkers HVAC didn't break down or that the drain system didn't get clogged. Not to mention actually guarding the place. It also makes it harder to convince the gooberment to buy you new stuff. So you get rid of that and suddenly you get rid of a lot of problems.

As a bonus you also actually get to see how the equipment would work in practice under sub-optimal conditions (being operated by 73 IQ slavs).
The issue really isn't that they want 300 tanks, get a couple comblock countries together and i'm sure they can pull 300 mostly functioning tanks that had been in storage since the 70s. The issue is that they want 300 brand spanking new gen3 MBTs which is simply never going to happen.

 

[Fait Accompli]

How long until the West gets tired of funding Ukraine? To the last man or when the gallon reaches 50$?

Things are gonna get awefull this winter...

The main problem is going to be electricity prices, not fuel. Where i live its lower than it was before the invasion, oil prices has been on a downward trend. But electricity prices are increasing, its quite cold in Europe right now.

Its not going to be awful, worst case scenario is significant temporary economic damage which will impact the entire world, but ofc especially Europe. Its not exactly comfortable, but not a catastrophe. Gas storage is almost full, but it'll be expensive and in some cases too expensive sadly. This is all due to European naivité, shutting down planned energy and replacing it with wind/gas from Russia. I think we all can agree on that this crisis is all Europes own doing

 

[mindlessobserver]

I love the VDV raccoon, everyone here thinks of them as pests but the Russians have tamed him and made him into an adorable mascot!
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Raccoons are only a pest if they get into my attic and turn the insulation into a nest. Beyond that they are pretty cool, though my North American brain is bemused at the fact in Europe they are considered exotic. This is probably how Australians feel every day as they ponder the entire human race going gaga for creatures they see as roadkill at least three times a month.

That said though, Sergeant Raccoon must be returned to his people from the clutches of the perfidous Vatnik.

 

[Feline Supremacist]

Raccoons are only a pest if they get into my attic and turn the insulation into a nest. Beyond that they are pretty cool, though my North American brain is bemused at the fact in Europe they are considered exotic. This is probably how Australians feel every day as they ponder the entire human race going gaga for creatures they see as roadkill at least three times a month.

That said though, Sergeant Raccoon must be returned to his people from the clutches of the perfidous Vatnik.

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Raccoon removal is a lucrative pest control business; they're wild creatures that as a result of suburban sprawl thrive on the trash and pet food humans leave lying around (sometimes the pets too). They're considered exotic in Europe because they are unique to the North American continent and not native to Europe. This does not confuse a normal person.

Khersi has been saved by VDV and is with Russia. Deal with it.

 

[mindlessobserver]

Raccoon removal is a lucrative pest control business; they're wild creatures that as a result of suburban sprawl thrive on the trash and pet food humans leave lying around (sometimes the pets too). They're considered exotic in Europe because they are unique to the North American continent and not native to Europe. This does not confuse a normal person.

Khersi has been saved by VDV and is with Russia. Deal with it.

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This is clown world, and one of the terms of the treaty that ends this war shall be the return of that Raccoon to the Kherson Zoo.

 

[LaxerBRO]

A Sino-Russian Deception: How the Russian - Ukraine Conflict Helps China's Desires on Taiwan
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With the conflict in Ukraine still raging, we should ask ourselves who mainly benefits from this. While conventional wisdom might suggest the United States, I propose that this conflict was at least encouraged by the People Republic of China or perhaps orchestrated by China. The objective of such a conflict is the depletion of Western arms stockpiles to a point where additional military assistance elsewhere in the world is significantly limited.

As weapons systems grow more advanced, the resources and time needed to create them increases as well. By pushing Russia into such a conflict, China can ensure that if they choose to take action in Taiwan that Western nations will not have enough weapons systems for indirect military assistance and sales. Additionally, this conflict allows China to analyze failures Russia made during the conflict so can seek to avoid them if they choose military forces.

I welcome your consideration on my propositions.

 

[mindlessobserver]

A Sino-Russian Deception: How the Russian - Ukraine Conflict Helps China's Desires on Taiwan
​

With the conflict in Ukraine still raging, we should ask ourselves who mainly benefits from this. While conventional wisdom might suggest the United States, I propose that this conflict was at least encouraged by the People Republic of China or perhaps orchestrated by China. The objective of such a conflict is the depletion of Western arms stockpiles to a point where additional military assistance elsewhere in the world is significantly limited.

As weapons systems grow more advanced, the resources and time needed to create them increases as well. By pushing Russia into such a conflict, China can ensure that if they choose to take action in Taiwan that Western nations will not have enough weapons systems for indirect military assistance and sales. Additionally, this conflict allows China to analyze failures Russia made during the conflict so can seek to avoid them if they choose military forces.

I welcome your consideration on my propositions.

This war has been the greatest live fire exercise since the Spanish Civil War. The US has gotten to test a ton of its various projects in an actual combat situation and the take aways have been stark.

The US Army needs...

An 11 series MOS for Drone Operations.

Rocket Artillery > Shelled Artillery

Man portable ATGMs are the fucking shit. More of those please

More electronic warfare to counteract drones and cell phones

Cost effective anti-drone AAA.

And so on.

Taiwan is probably taking notes too.

 

[Darkholme's Dungeon]

So what's stopping the Chinese from entering into mass production of arms on loan type of deals with Russia? Work well in the first and second world wars for the Americans

The fact that the USN/India/Japan can just fuck over their energy imports completely with the navy? China is reliant on energy from the middle east and no amount of Russian crude will offeset the extraction cost difference.

Don't get me wrong, the EU/US still need China for now (They haven't finished moving from China). The issue is China needs the energy more.

It's like where two people have got each other at gunpoint. Problem is, you've got a 9mm P+ tungsten round aimed at the guy's heart while he's wearing a level III plate, and the opponent has a 7.62x51 pointed at your heart who has no armor plate.
Sure, both of you die, but one of the two (you) dies much faster.

 

[Lone MacReady II]

So what's stopping the Chinese from entering into mass production of arms on loan type of deals with Russia? Work well in the first and second world wars for the Americans

Their fiat debt note printers aren't nearly as seasoned as Americanda's.

 

[DumbDude43]

So what's stopping the Chinese from entering into mass production of arms on loan type of deals with Russia? Work well in the first and second world wars for the Americans

the question isnt "what stops them" the question is "what would they gain out of it"
to which the answer looks a lot like "nothing" tbh. russia isnt exactly in a position where it could blackmail china into a "make guns for us or we cut off trade" arrangement, and other than that they don't have a lot to offer that the chinese would benefit from (unless they wish to cede territory which i doubt)

the only possible angle i could see would be the "china pays russia to deplete nato reserves by proxy" interpretation, but even that is of dubious credibility because those parts of nato forces that are the main concern for china (US navy and air force in the pacific) are not even tangentially involved in ukraine, those are unaffected by whatever land war supplies the burgers decide to send over to europe.

 

[NyQuilninja]

The fact that the USN/India/Japan can just fuck over their energy imports completely with the navy? China is reliant on energy from the middle east and no amount of Russian crude will offeset the extraction cost difference.

Don't get me wrong, the EU/US still need China for now (They haven't finished moving from China). The issue is China needs the energy more.

It's like where two people have got each other at gunpoint. Problem is, you've got a 9mm P+ tungsten round aimed at the guy's heart while he's wearing a level III plate, and the opponent has a 7.62x51 pointed at your heart who has no armor plate.
Sure, both of you die, but one of the two (you) dies much faster.

China slowly getting past that energy need as they're currently expanding their nuclear and they have considerable uranium deals with Australia. Not to mention the world at large is currently selling them coal and they have a considerable reserve. However, you're right, they are considerably restrained when it comes to energy needs for now

the question isnt "what stops them" the question is "what would they gain out of it"
to which the answer looks a lot like "nothing" tbh. russia isnt exactly in a position where it could blackmail china into a "make guns for us or we cut off trade" arrangement, and other than that they don't have a lot to offer that the chinese would benefit from (unless they wish to cede territory which i doubt)

the only possible angle i could see would be the "china pays russia to deplete nato reserves by proxy" interpretation, but even that is of dubious credibility because those parts of nato forces that are the main concern for china (US navy and air force in the pacific) are not even tangentially involved in ukraine, those are unaffected by whatever land war supplies the burgers decide to send over to europe.

China has declared war with us. We have declared war with china. We're in this weird cold war status. So I can see all sorts of monkey business behind the scenes. Anything is slightly screw over the other side. Plus China still thinks that we released a bio weapon on them.

 

[NyQuilninja]

Their fiat debt note printers aren't nearly as seasoned as Americanda's.

That's true. They don't nearly have the military power to backup their soft power

 

[Pinainas]

The Raccoon is probably the best thing to come out of the VDV because god knows they suck balls at doing their actual job. Entire brigades lost within a month and they continued to prove that air-droppable armor is an absolutely retarded fucking idea.

The meme song is fire too. Gotta love how happy the guy is singing it. Probably because he is not actually in the army.

Russian Airborne Troops (VDV) Music Video

Alexander Buinov - VDV http://www.buinov.ru/music/VDV.mp3Russian Airborne Troops "Vozdushno-Desantnye Voyska"

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[Captain Wetbeard]

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Are military actions just terror attacks, or are terror attacks just military actions...

 

[Blewberry Nausea]

Raccoon removal is a lucrative pest control business; they're wild creatures that as a result of suburban sprawl thrive on the trash and pet food humans leave lying around (sometimes the pets too). They're considered exotic in Europe because they are unique to the North American continent and not native to Europe. This does not confuse a normal person.

Khersi has been saved by VDV and is with Russia. Deal with it.

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Never! Raccoon will be saved by glorious Azov if it takes every last American dollar!

 

[Blewberry Nausea]

This really happened. The media said so after all.

Entire divisions of Russian army are surrendering and over a million people have used Ukrainian website "I Want To Live"

Over 1,200,000 people, most of them within the Russian Federation, have used resources provided by the Ukrainian national project "Hochu zhit" ["I Want To Live"], which gives Russian soldiers an opportunity to surrender.

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Whole divisions of Russian Army surrender, Ukrainian website "Hochu Zhit" was used by over one million people​

Informational resources of the Ukrainian national project "Hochu Zhit" [ "I want to live" - ed.], which gives Russian soldiers an opportunity to surrender, have been used by 1,200,000 people, most of them within the Russian Federation.

 

[Ancient Pioneer]

The fact that the USN/India/Japan can just fuck over their energy imports completely with the navy? China is reliant on energy from the middle east and no amount of Russian crude will offeset the extraction cost difference.

This ability is being sunset, one of the major reasons the US remained in Afghanistan was to use it as a cockblock on a pipeline from Iran across Afghanistan to China. Over the 2020s the entire US containment strategy for China is going to fall apart, along with the ability to just sanction "rogue nations" into oblivion. China is going to run pipelines from Russia, Iran and some of the Central Asian states while building out its navy to get local superiority in naval matters.

Containment strategies always fail because they're merely a delaying tactic, the point of them centered around the delaying nation making preparations for conflict and further developing its advantages while holding back the competition. In the US' case it handed its advantages to the nation it was delaying, major heavy industry has been handed over to China in one of the biggest national defense blunders in history, its almost as bad as Rome switching entirely to mercenary forces.

 

[LatinasAreTheFuture]

This ability is being sunset, one of the major reasons the US remained in Afghanistan was to use it as a cockblock on a pipeline from Iran across Afghanistan to China. Over the 2020s the entire US containment strategy for China is going to fall apart, along with the ability to just sanction "rogue nations" into oblivion. China is going to run pipelines from Russia, Iran and some of the Central Asian states while building out its navy to get local superiority in naval matters.

Containment strategies always fail because they're merely a delaying tactic, the point of them centered around the delaying nation making preparations for conflict and further developing its advantages while holding back the competition. In the US' case it handed its advantages to the nation it was delaying, major heavy industry has been handed over to China in one of the biggest national defense blunders in history, its almost as bad as Rome switching entirely to mercenary forces.

containment worked on the USSR.

 

[mindlessobserver]

I am betting big money China is absolutely furious at their "ally" in Moscow right now. They jumped the gun. The whole strategy was to slowly weaken the western world internally while paying lip service to international law and institutions. That way when the time came to rip off the mask and go full revanchist on Ukraine, the Baltics, Taiwan and the South China Sea, there would be no meaningful reaction at the jump. A perfect Fait Accompli.

Instead, Russia's invasion of Ukraine has solidified the lines between the existing world order and the revanchist powers. China, Russia, Iran, etc. Worse for the revanchists, the existing order has been kicked out of its complacency. Japan this week announced a massive rearmament program. They've shot to Number 3 on the defense spending chart, exceeding even Russia and India. The Bulk of that purchase will be aimed at a large expansion of the Japanese Navy and Air Force. This is a cataclysmic shift in East Asia as China's entire strategy has relied on the assumption that Japan would remain a minor power subservient to the feckless US Empire. Instead they will have to retool their entire strategy to deal with Japan as a Great Power in its own right, along with the USA.

More Ominously for Russia, the rules they have established in Ukraine has given Japan the capability to claim revanchism in its own right. The Kurils and Sakhalin are lawful Japanese Clay after all.

The Ukraine War is a mess strategically speaking. Russia flipped the table, and they did it way too soon. Because the west still is in a position of strength and the war has justified the shrieks of every war hawk in every western capital. Sweden and Finland are joing NATO. The USA just passed its largest defense budge EVER, with massive contracts to begin full scale production of, among other things, 155 MM Shells, Javelines and HIMARS rocket launchers. Even Germany has announced its intention to rearm.

World War 3 may be coming, but thanks to Putin, the west got the perfect live fire exercise and a kick in the pants. Xi has got to be fucking PISSED right now.

 

[MuppetSlaughter]

In 2014 there where websites all over the net streaming Maidan event. I was appalled that the invulvment of the US Government, McCain And Co handing out cookies in Kiev. and The US thru Victoria Nuland Giving 6 billion dollars to the Yatsenyuk regime. I remember snipers on buildings taking shots at Police officers and protestors alike. I thought to myself that's How easy it is to over throw a government. Weeks Later you got Right Sektor throwing government workers out of the building in odessa. I say thrown, they were actually jumping for there lives from a fire. The Goons on the ground beat the survivors to death for the cameras. I remember the airport battles and the DPR trying to survive the onslought of Viev, and this is 7 8 years ago.

Fast forward to today. in the last 8 months I look anywhere for news or reports from this (War) read all three of this continuing thread. Look to Russian news and Western news. and I don't know it seems like bullshit. This feels like Wag the Dog. Opsec on the internet has gotten really good, or the both sides are keeping the war on lock down. allot of the footage has been recycled from THE DPR war 7 8 years ago. And now I am supposed to take the word Of Grandma Gonzola as my source for news?

Am I out of my mind for calling this war fake and gay?