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[talk talk talk]

I have a thought.

NJB has stated in one of his videos that he hates motorbikes and mopeds, but loves electric bikes.

But does he love electric motorbikes & mopeds? If not, why? they're the same as an e-bike but with more power and licence requirements. I don't know why he'd be against mopeds at all since they're efficient and save space on the roads. I suspect he's just a run of the mill snob who hates anything not associated with the fashion in his clique

It all depends on whether they are convenient for Jason Slaughter or not. That is the sole criterion.

 

[Tour of Italy]

Downvoting conservatives who agree with them:
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It turned those "not one, but two feudal shitholes" into industrialized authoritarian hellscapes, one of which is currently engaged in a senseless war of aggression against its neighbor and the other being responsible for far and away the most environmental destruction of any nation on the planet.

And that's saying nothing about the tens of millions of people that the good-old friendly neighborhood "hardline socialism" murdered in cold blood to get there. While also saying nothing about the historic and ongoing ethnic cleansing those regimes are responsible for.

But hey I guess some of them ride bikes.

To borrow a term, I'd say that this person has what you'd call "commie-brain".

 

[Blatant hypocrite]

I have a thought.

NJB has stated in one of his videos that he hates motorbikes and mopeds, but loves electric bikes.

But does he love electric motorbikes & mopeds? If not, why? they're the same as an e-bike but with more power and licence requirements. I don't know why he'd be against mopeds at all since they're efficient and save space on the roads. I suspect he's just a run of the mill snob who hates anything not associated with the fashion in his clique

A motorbike takes less fuel than a car, less road space than a car, less parking space than a car, but is faster and more powerful than a bike. He will probably say some shit about carbon emissions if you challenge him. However the real reason he dislikes them is because his vision of a "walkable solarpunk clean green uwu city" doesn't include Harley Davidson.

 

[Return of the Freaker]

I have a thought.

NJB has stated in one of his videos that he hates motorbikes and mopeds, but loves electric bikes.

But does he love electric motorbikes & mopeds? If not, why? they're the same as an e-bike but with more power and licence requirements. I don't know why he'd be against mopeds at all since they're efficient and save space on the roads. I suspect he's just a run of the mill snob who hates anything not associated with the fashion in his clique

Motorbikes and motorcycles are probably toxic masculinity because make big vroom vroom. No idea what his beef with mopeds might be.

 

[quaawaa]

Motorbikes in general are interesting modes of transport. Due to the motor, they can carry a surprising amount while still being nimble and speedy; I know a few of my colleagues that carry their welding gear on motorcycles, due to being able to fit pretty well all the standard kit into a large backpack. I would never imagine them using an electric though, especially in the climate I live in, which is currently at freeze your nuts off temperatures. That and they might get laughed at with a bit of hazing. Electrics are looked down upon in heavy industry like mine to put it mildly.

Electric motorcycles are probably the best examples of EVs - no shifting or clutch control necessary to drive, and unlike cars, no one, with the exception of a few hardcore Harley riders, would even want to ride a motorcycle for longer than the battery lasts. Their only downside is the price as a good electric motorcycle like Energica's start at $20k.

 

[Amber the Hedgehog]

Electric motorcycles are probably the best examples of EVs - no shifting or clutch control necessary to drive, and unlike cars, no one, with the exception of a few hardcore Harley riders, would even want to ride a motorcycle for longer than the battery lasts. Their only downside is the price as a good electric motorcycle like Energica's start at $20k.

Motorbikes do have two giant minuses regardless of electricity. One they don't protect you from elements. Sure this why many enjoy driving them, you feel the speed and the air but many climates and days it can be awful and even dangerous. Two they have very little protection in case of a crass. Motorcycle accidents can be incredibly brutal, many police officers hate going to them.

 

[WelperHelper99]

Electric motorcycles are probably the best examples of EVs - no shifting or clutch control necessary to drive, and unlike cars, no one, with the exception of a few hardcore Harley riders, would even want to ride a motorcycle for longer than the battery lasts. Their only downside is the price as a good electric motorcycle like Energica's start at $20k.

The price is part of the issue the trades don't like it. That and the simple fact that when you get asked about your car- practically a rite of passage- a 4 banger will get you looked at neutrally, a 6 cylinder-like mine- a nod of respect, and a 8 cylinder and above will get you smiles and ass pats, especially if it's in a truck. Same idea with bikes, having a bike is already exotic, and there are entire body shops and race events sponsored by welding corporations- think Lincon Electric and Miller- that have gone on to work on said bikes that have won championships, like with Lincon and Angelle Sampey. Point is these Electrics go against the grain and honestly our nature, we can't tinker with pistons, weld on fuck hueg exhausts, etc. Now the mechanical advantages you mentioned are pros, but even then I'm sure I could find some guys in my shop that would go on a 5 hour rant as to why they don't like it. Point is, the guys that work on these bikes- not the average consumer, let's be clear- aren't exactly thrilled. This is just the welding and trade perspective however, I'd be happy to hear what you'd think of it!

 

[quaawaa]

The price is part of the issue the trades don't like it. That and the simple fact that when you get asked about your car- practically a rite of passage- a 4 banger will get you looked at neutrally, a 6 cylinder-like mine- a nod of respect, and a 8 cylinder and above will get you smiles and ass pats, especially if it's in a truck. Same idea with bikes, having a bike is already exotic, and there are entire body shops and race events sponsored by welding corporations- think Lincon Electric and Miller- that have gone on to work on said bikes that have won championships, like with Lincon and Angelle Sampey. Point is these Electrics go against the grain and honestly our nature, we can't tinker with pistons, weld on fuck hueg exhausts, etc. Now the mechanical advantages you mentioned are pros, but even then I'm sure I could find some guys in my shop that would go on a 5 hour rant as to why they don't like it. Point is, the guys that work on these bikes- not the average consumer, let's be clear- aren't exactly thrilled. This is just the welding and trade perspective however, I'd be happy to hear what you'd think of it!

I have no problem with gas bikes; I’m not a climate cultist. If someone loves sound, extreme speed/handling, tinkering, or road tripping, then gas is better. For the average motorcycle rider who has a normal commute and/or rides for pleasure on the weekend, the electric bike is as good or better than the gas bike, assuming that they can afford it. The same isn’t true for electric cars as range is a much bigger issue for them. 261 miles (the range of the Energica bikes) is 3-4 hours of driving at highway speeds which a long time to be riding a bike but an easy drive in a car.

Now, e-bikes are completely useless. They're just gimped e-motorcycles with permission to ride in the bike lane. If you want to work out, a regular bike is better, and if you want to go somewhere on two wheels without physical effort, a motorcycle is better. There's no logical reason to explain why riding an e-motorcycle with "pedals" is safe but riding without them is dangerous. Either both types should be allowed or neither should be.

 

[Meriasek]

I have a thought.

NJB has stated in one of his videos that he hates motorbikes and mopeds, but loves electric bikes.

But does he love electric motorbikes & mopeds? If not, why? they're the same as an e-bike but with more power and licence requirements. I don't know why he'd be against mopeds at all since they're efficient and save space on the roads. I suspect he's just a run of the mill snob who hates anything not associated with the fashion in his clique

An electric Honda Cub is peak bughive transport, but NJB is autistically focused on bicycles that require a minimum of pedalling. No purely electrical bikes allowed.

 

[WelperHelper99]

I have no problem with gas bikes; I’m not a climate cultist. If someone loves sound, extreme speed/handling, tinkering, or road tripping, then gas is better. For the average motorcycle rider who has a normal commute and/or rides for pleasure on the weekend, the electric bike is as good or better than the gas bike, assuming that they can afford it. The same isn’t true for electric cars as range is a much bigger issue for them. 261 miles (the range of the Energica bikes) is 3-4 hours of driving at highway speeds which a long time to be riding a bike but an easy drive in a car.

I understand that, and yeah, if your trip is short and you dont have much to carry, a E-bike might be right for you. I just wanted to include my perspective; we're carrying 30-50 pounds worth of bulky gear on our backs if we're biking to work, most trades are in fact. A good solution would be to have both honestly, just as dirt bikes carved out a niche separate to motorcycles. You did bring up a good point with travel time, if it's just around town, then it's excellent and you can still pedal to get exercise. Further than that is motorcycle/car territory in my opinion; can't tell you how many times in the dead of night I've had to slow to a crawl at a uphill climb because a guy was on a bike, e bike or not, and I'll tell you what, it spooks the hell out of me because it's dark and I don't want to clip him.

 

[quaawaa]

I understand that, and yeah, if your trip is short and you dont have much to carry, a E-bike might be right for you. I just wanted to include my perspective; we're carrying 30-50 pounds worth of bulky gear on our backs if we're biking to work, most trades are in fact. A good solution would be to have both honestly, just as dirt bikes carved out a niche separate to motorcycles. You did bring up a good point with travel time, if it's just around town, then it's excellent and you can still pedal to get exercise. Further than that is motorcycle/car territory in my opinion; can't tell you how many times in the dead of night I've had to slow to a crawl at a uphill climb because a guy was on a bike, e bike or not, and I'll tell you what, it spooks the hell out of me because it's dark and I don't want to clip him.

Sorry the terminology is confusing.
My first paragraph was about electric motorcycles. They are NOT the same thing as the bughive e-bikes:

That thing is a legit superbike used in the MotoE race series and starts at $27k.

This is an e-bicycle:

They're essentially e-mopeds with useless pedals attached to the side. Top speed of 20-35 mph depending on model. Something like the Honda EV Cub, like @Meriasek mentioned, is better in every way except that it doesn't let you pretend that you're a cyclist, which is a dealbreaker for the urbanist crowd.

Actual electric motorcycles have no problem carrying 50 pounds of cargo. Electric bicycles have zero safety features that modern motorcycles have (such as ABS and turn signals/brake lights) and their riders never wear appropriate gear. Cycling/urbanist activists don't even believe in bike helmets, let alone full face helmets, impact gear, abrasion resistant clothing, or airbags.

 

[Chuck McGill]

Yet again, cyclists don't wanna take any responsibility whatsoever while demanding you take on extra responsibility for their retarded asses. A car has a closed cabin that permits you to listen to music and still adequately hear what's going on outside. This is the reason car drivers pay $6,000,000 a week for their car(or whatever inflated figure they pulled out of their ass). If anyone thinks that this is just about offering people more options, show them this. Now that they've achieved some mainstream popularity they're getting more comfortable in saying the quiet part out loud. They want your cars off the road, they want you walking 30 miles to work, they want your children sharing the bus with pedophiles and criminals and they think it's funny.

 

[Chuck McGill]

Sorry the terminology is confusing.
My first paragraph was about electric motorcycles. They are NOT the same thing as the bughive e-bikes:
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That thing is a legit superbike used in the MotoE race series and starts at $27k.

This is an e-bicycle:
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They're essentially e-mopeds with useless pedals attached to the side. Top speed of 20-35 mph depending on model. Something like the Honda EV Cub, like @Meriasek mentioned, is better in every way except that it doesn't let you pretend that you're a cyclist, which is a dealbreaker for the urbanist crowd.

Actual electric motorcycles have zero problem carrying 50 pounds of cargo. E-bikes have zero safety features that modern motorcycles have (such as ABS and turn signals/brake lights) and their riders never wear appropriate gear.

I become increasingly convinced by the day this has fuck all to do with efficiency. Ever wonder why they specifically push for eating the bugs when viable plant-based diets have existed for hundreds of years? It's a humiliation ritual designed to test your limits, to make sure you'll do whatever they say. It's a lead up to getting you to say 2+2=5 and Rachel Levine is a beautiful brave woman. I wouldn't be shocked at all if they tried convincing their pet bugmen that painting their e-bike pink makes it more fuel efficient.

 

[WelperHelper99]

Sorry the terminology is confusing.
My first paragraph was about electric motorcycles. They are NOT the same thing as the bughive e-bikes:
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That thing is a legit superbike used in the MotoE race series and starts at $27k.

This is an e-bicycle:
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They're essentially e-mopeds with useless pedals attached to the side. Top speed of 20-35 mph depending on model. Something like the Honda EV Cub, like @Meriasek mentioned, is better in every way except that it doesn't let you pretend that you're a cyclist, which is a dealbreaker for the urbanist crowd.

Actual electric motorcycles have no problem carrying 50 pounds of cargo. Electric bicycles have zero safety features that modern motorcycles have (such as ABS and turn signals/brake lights) and their riders never wear appropriate gear. Cycling/Urbanists activists don't even believe in bike helmets, let alone full face helmets, impact gear, abrasion resistant clothing, or airbags. At 30 mph, you want to be wearing safety gear, and contrary to urbanist beliefs, most bike accidents are single vehicle and are not caused by cars.

Thanks for the clarification. It certainly looks like it can carry it, so while technically feasible, it then comes back to if guys want them or not. Electrics have been pushing us in trades out of high paying jobs, of which some men have held for decades. That and a used gas bike that can do the same is practically nothing compared to 27k, which even with wage increases, is asking a lot between a bike, and getting a Ford Maverick, which is 20k base and can hold a fair bit of gear while still being efficient.

 

[quaawaa]

That and a used gas bike that can do the same is practically nothing compared to 27k, which even with wage increases, is asking a lot between a bike, and getting a Ford Maverick, which is 20k base and can hold a fair bit of gear while still being efficient.

Which is why in my first post on the topic I said their major downside was their price. I don't recommend spending $20-30k for one unless that sort of money is nothing to you.

 

[WelperHelper99]

Which is why in my first post on the topic I said their major downside was their price. I don't recommend spending $20-30k for one unless that sort of money is nothing to you.

Indeed. Until costs go down, I don't expect many of my colleagues in the low to mid income brackets of the industry ever considering them when they can get trucks, big trucks, I'm talking used Ford/Ram/Chevey 2500 (or new ones on a loan) and above that can accommodate a welding rig, which is a set upwards of 2000 pounds, or just a nice car with a big engine.

 

[Markass the Worst]

I have a thought.

NJB has stated in one of his videos that he hates motorbikes and mopeds, but loves electric bikes.

But does he love electric motorbikes & mopeds? If not, why? they're the same as an e-bike but with more power and licence requirements. I don't know why he'd be against mopeds at all since they're efficient and save space on the roads. I suspect he's just a run of the mill snob who hates anything not associated with the fashion in his clique

Jason actually tweeted about mopeds recently, he said they should go electric-only and speed limits should be reduced (along with saying Taipei has a long way to go to be bike-friendly -- I don't know what standards he's going by but I'd imagine a tiny island with high population density, especially with a lot of land unusable due to mountains, would already be bike friendly in the first place.)


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Yet again, cyclists don't wanna take any responsibility whatsoever while demanding you take on extra responsibility for their retarded asses. A car has a closed cabin that permits you to listen to music and still adequately hear what's going on outside. This is the reason car drivers pay $6,000,000 a week for their car(or whatever inflated figure they pulled out of their ass). If anyone thinks that this is just about offering people more options, show them this. Now that they've achieved some mainstream popularity they're getting more comfortable in saying the quiet part out loud. They want your cars off the road, they want you walking 30 miles to work, they want your children sharing the bus with pedophiles and criminals and they think it's funny.

Do they not know many places (including Canada) have laws that prohibit drivers from wearing both ear buds at the same time? It's called the one earbud rule and as far as I can tell applies in Quebec too. It's not the same as Quebec's rule for bikes which prohibits even one ear bud being in but it's not like drivers are magically exempt from being legally required to hear things and be aware of their surroundings.

 

[Xarpho's Return]

They're mostly "a"political in that thread but only because Laura called them out. They downvoted the few conservatives who dared to agree with them and the thread is full of people preaching that there is no such thing as the left because they're so far left that they think everything is "far-right".

Denying the movement is political:
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Downvoting conservatives who agree with them:
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"The REAL left doesn't exist":
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The self-described "Commie Commuter" when exploring the "issues" flip-flops between describing issues and not describing issues. You can't say "Serious" and then flippantly describe the "Right" as saying that LGBT+ people "aren't human". Most people don't like it being pushed to minors, and it's the same shit people like that laughed at a decade ago and said it was just fearmongering.

And then why put "abolish slavery" in there? Is he talking about what happened 150+ years ago (and there the "Left" and "Right" really didn't exist as they do today), or is he of the "slavery = not sucking BLM's cock" types? (Answer is probably both.)

 

[FILTH Tourist]

Electric motorcycles are probably the best examples of EVs - no shifting or clutch control necessary to drive, and unlike cars, no one, with the exception of a few hardcore Harley riders, would even want to ride a motorcycle for longer than the battery lasts. Their only downside is the price as a good electric motorcycle like Energica's start at $20k.

I think a neat solution would be similar to gogoro scooters. A lot of people use them in Taiwan so they are affordable and instead of traditional charging you can swap out the battery at charging stations that are outside places like 7/11 (subscription cost). So there isn't really much downtime and for urban use they work fine.

That being said, if this is going to work in the US they really need to address the crime problem or else those charging stations are going to get vandalized all to hell.

 

[WelperHelper99]

I think a neat solution would be similar to gogoro scooters. A lot of people use them in Taiwan so they are affordable and instead of traditional charging you can swap out the battery at charging stations that are outside places like 7/11 (subscription cost). So there isn't really much downtime and for urban use they work fine.

That being said, if this is going to work in the US they really need to address the crime problem or else those charging stations are going to get vandalized all to hell.

The vandilization issue is a massive problem. Let's say it's outside a 7/11. Other than giving the 7/11 worker full authorization to go out there with a semi auto shotgun to scare off half the ghetto, or hiring private security like that gas station owner did in Philadelphia, that shit is going to get spray painted, and in your example, batteries stolen. Maybe less in smaller, nicer towns, but in New York it won't last a week.