Russian Invasion of Ukraine Megathread - Episode III - Revenge of the Ruski (now unlocked with new skins and gameplay modes!!!)

[TheDarknessGrows]

It's oddly convenient that all the territory targeted by Russia just happens to be full of gas and oil.

And America.

 

[AgendaPoster]

Celebrating on 25th is done in other Orthodox countries like Romania, Bulgaria and Greece too, it's not really about the West, it's about stupid churches/patriarchs/calendar "conflicts".
I see Serbia has stuck with the Russian date, and Belarus and Ukraine are mixed.
Orthodoxy does not belong to Russia, if I remember history correctly the big schism occurred shortly after the Russian Church came into existence, circa 1050, when the whole Russian thing was new, and the Christianity debates were between Constantinople and Rome.
Regardless, it's a stupid non-issue and irrelevant, as this is a "holy war" only in the minds of propagandists and low IQ mongrels.
Also lol at "how come Ukrainians banned w/e church":

 

[Useful_Mistake]

Some news which I feel like might impact the war:

Russia essentially calls Ukraine's representative retarded for his conditions:

Russia’s UN mission responds to Kiev’s 'peace summit proposal'​

According to Dmitry Polyansky, nobody at UN Security Council meetings has reacted lately to what he called routine hysteria from Sergey Kislitsa, Ukraine’s permanent representative to the UN

Russia’s UN mission responds to Kiev’s 'peace summit proposal' - Russian Politics & Diplomacy - TASS | Ghostarchive

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Russian budget appears to be unflexible:

The next year will be fairly challenging from Russia from the standpoint of finance and the deficit budget, First Deputy Prime Minister Andrey Belousov said on the air with the Rossiya-24 TV Channel.

"The next year will be rather tough for us in terms of finance. That is, we set the deficit budget for the next year; we understand amounts of borrowing. All of that was agreed with the Bank of Russia, and this task, this financial framework - it exists, and [it] exists in a fairly rigid format. This rigid format anticipates strict prioritization of expenses and projects," Belousov said.

"The Ministry of Economic Development has recently completed this effort, distributing GDP incremental growth rates across major projects in place," the official added.

Next year to be challenging for Russia — government official - Busine…

archived 27 Dec 2022 18:48:59 UTC

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[Napoleon Bonerfart]

What will run out first, Russian ammo or stories about Russia running out of ammo?

Given that Russia is currently begging Iran and North Korea, of all places, for weapons, and is currently trying to scour other Third World shit holes for more shells, we can safely say Russian munitions will run out first.

 

[Butterschmalz]

Putin bans Russian oil exports to countries that implement price cap​

Lets see how that goes since:

Quote: "Russia is the world's second largest oil exporter after Saudi Arabia, and a major disruption to its sales would have far reaching consequences for global energy supplies."

price cap at 60 US$ per barrel starting Feb 1.

What the price cap means: "The G7 price cap allows non-EU countries to continue importing seaborne Russian crude oil, but it will prohibit shipping, insurance and re-insurance companies from handling cargoes of Russian crude around the globe, unless it is being sold for less than the price cap."

 

[The Grognard]

Putin bans Russian oil exports to countries that implement price cap​

Lets see how that goes since:

Quote: "Russia is the world's second largest oil exporter after Saudi Arabia, and a major disruption to its sales would have far reaching consequences for global energy supplies."

price cap at 60 US$ per barrel starting Feb 1.

What the price cap means: "The G7 price cap allows non-EU countries to continue importing seaborne Russian crude oil, but it will prohibit shipping, insurance and re-insurance companies from handling cargoes of Russian crude around the globe, unless it is being sold for less than the price cap."

This will make some intermediate hands in the BRICS very rich, once someone figures out the exact business arrangement to make it work. Only question is, who's willing to bend the rules the most?

 

[AgendaPoster]

Skeptical the oil cap will work.
Russia is too large and its resources too vast. The planet is too large and the potential buyers too many and often resentful against centuries of Western colonialism and meddling. Russia fucked with East Europe and Asia. Both (minus China) are already "the West".
The idea was to convince the shithole countries and the nignoglands to ditch Russia, which they likely won't.
Winning against Russia cannot be rushed, but this is something Westoid leaders are not prepared to acknowledge, as they expect to keep lying to their populations that things will get better "soon" - which they won't. Prices will rise steadily. There will be more conflicts for sure as tensions flare up, which in turn will make things worse and worse.
The only realistic way to win against large empire-like countries is essentially long term freedom fighting/terrorism/partisan warfare.
No Russian citizen should ever feel safe, the same way Westoids never felt safe after Bataclan and other similar attacks. There should be very limited actual war like there is now in Donbas, which I assume to stop sometime soon as US supplies dry up. There should be endless harassment of the Russian army, but also civilians. Yes, yes, no mercy, how many civilians died from "infrastructure missile attacks"? No fucking mercy. Russians need to understand war is real even in Moscow. Repercussions for Ukraine are irrelevant. What will Putin do? Carpet bomb Kiev? So?
And then you give it years, many years. How many years were Amerifats in Afghanistan? How many years it took for them to become demoralized and distraught? Decade+.
The economical BS is just because Westoid leaders don't want to acknowledge reality.

 

[Fanatical Pragmatist]

Engels also houses a good size chunk of russias nuclear capable bombers.

Of course, but those same "nuclear capable" bombers are already in use conducting strategic missile strikes.
IMHO "Nuclear Capable" is kind of a buzzword, since most aircraft or tactical ballistic missiles can carry nuclear warheads; they just won't likely ever be used.
I mean shit, F-16, F/A-18 and more recently F-15E are all "nuclear capable" in that they COULD carry a B61 nuclear bomb.

I guess one could argue that by fucking with Russia's strategic bomber fleet, the Ukies are in effect temporarily disturbing their nuclear triad, but again its unlikely this war would go nuclear.

What actually is the feeling of ordinary Ukranians in the West? My impression is that they're still quite supportive of the Zelensky govt. and it's stance on 'not one inch'. But it's always hard to cut through propaganda and he wouldn't have had to ban opposition parties and shut down news channels if there weren't significant numbers opposed, I would guess. Or maybe those are only represented by Eastern Ukranians.

I mean what do you mean by "support"?
Someone in Western Ukraine could think Zelensky is a silly pidor crybaby, and still want to see the Russian Armed Forces driven from Ukraine.

That being said, I'd reckon its highly unlikely that Russia's strategic strikes are breaking the morale and will to fight of the Ukrainians. Historically speaking, the strategy has never worked to break morale or force the enemy to the bargaining table (except in Vietnam, where even then it only forced the Northern regime to the bargaining table, but not actually to abide by the peace deal), so unless Ukraine will break the mold and be the first country to cave, I don't see it happening...

 

[MrJokerRager]

Skeptical the oil cap will work.
Russia is too large and its resources too vast. The planet is too large and the potential buyers too many and often resentful against centuries of Western colonialism and meddling. Russia fucked with East Europe and Asia. Both (minus China) are already "the West".
The idea was to convince the shithole countries and the nignoglands to ditch Russia, which they likely won't.
Winning against Russia cannot be rushed, but this is something Westoid leaders are not prepared to acknowledge, as they expect to keep lying to their populations that things will get better "soon" - which they won't. Prices will rise steadily. There will be more conflicts for sure as tensions flare up, which in turn will make things worse and worse.
The only realistic way to win against large empire-like countries is essentially long term freedom fighting/terrorism/partisan warfare.
No Russian citizen should ever feel safe, the same way Westoids never felt safe after Bataclan and other similar attacks. There should be very limited actual war like there is now in Donbas, which I assume to stop sometime soon as US supplies dry up. There should be endless harassment of the Russian army, but also civilians. Yes, yes, no mercy, how many civilians died from "infrastructure missile attacks"? No fucking mercy. Russians need to understand war is real even in Moscow. Repercussions for Ukraine are irrelevant. What will Putin do? Carpet bomb Kiev? So?
And then you give it years, many years. How many years were Amerifats in Afghanistan? How many years it took for them to become demoralized and distraught? Decade+.
The economical BS is just because Westoid leaders don't want to acknowledge reality.

So you are encouraging more terrorism in the era of the GWOT, when there is already plenty of glow op funded groups running around?

And the Russians have suffered through terrorism before through the Chechens and it just hardened their resolve during the aftermath of the 2nd Chechen War.

If we get a Metal Gear 4 style world out of all this where war becomes a commodity itself lol.

 

[Fait Accompli]

Has Bakhmut fallen yet? Is Bakhmut surrounded yet? Im waiting

 

[AgendaPoster]

So you are encouraging more terrorism in the era of the GWOT, when there is already plenty of glow op funded groups running around?

And the Russians have suffered through terrorism before through the Chechens and it just hardened their resolve during the aftermath of the 2nd Chechen War.

If we get a Metal Gear 4 style world out of all this where war becomes a commodity itself lol.

I see no other path out for Ukraine.
War is war. You kill or get killed. It ain't that complex. I don't get the pearl clutching, most people here demonized hohol pigs with wild abandon.
Russian lives ain't speshul
Get to work on that.
PS: we'll call it "freedom fighting" wink-wink

 

[MrJokerRager]

I see no other path out for Ukraine.
War is war. You kill or get killed. It ain't that complex. I don't get the pearl clutching, most people here demonized hohol pigs with wild abandon.
Russian lives ain't speshul
Get to work on that.
PS: we'll call it "freedom fighting" wink-wink

Do you have any thoughts on blowback or the war exploding to even bigger heights as a result of going down that road?

 

[AgendaPoster]

Do you have any thoughts on blowback or the war exploding to even bigger heights as a result of going down that road?

It's a potential undesirable outcome, but this is the unavoidable consequence of competition for resources.
A new world war will happen eventually. There is no end of history and no system can truly win against another. Individuals are powerless, once these large complex systems are set in motion, they evolve with a life of their own.
Remember, nobody thought that Afghans could win either. It's a matter of sacrifice and persistence against terrible odds. Or you can give up.
Even if Ukraine gives up, things won't go back to normal. We all know that. Cat's out of the bag.

 

[BaldAndMorallyBankrupt]

I see no other path out for Ukraine.
War is war. You kill or get killed. It ain't that complex. I don't get the pearl clutching, most people here demonized hohol pigs with wild abandon.
Russian lives ain't speshul
Get to work on that.
PS: we'll call it "freedom fighting" wink-wink

I doubt Russians are that stupid plus they already played this game in Afghanistan. Realistically they won't be able to go much further than they have now without starting to have to fight insurgent action as well. The population is much more hostile to Russia once you get out of the oblasts they're already in. They know that, or should know that at least, so it's doubtful they'll even try.

Serbs are trying to start smoke up north in Kosovo which i would like to think they aren't doing on Putin's behest but with how hard they dick ride Russia i wouldn't at all be surprised if it came out that this was a ploy to try and get NATO equipment to be shuffle around more instead of going straight to Ukraine. They literally do not gain anything from doing this now of all times, if anything they're taking away attention from the ex-KLA leadership being prosecuted which you'd think they would be all about. It would be funny though if this resulted in Serbia getting bombed again.

 

[Useful_Mistake]

Asia. Both (minus China) are already "the West".

Literally all of Asia bar Japan hates the west. What are you smoking?

The idea was to convince the shithole countries and the nignoglands to ditch Russia, which they likely won't

Most countries in the world decided not to ditch Russia. Most of Asia, all of Middle East, South America, India, etc. Even some European countries (like the Balkans) are trying to do buisness with Russia. Hell, all of Europe is still buying Russian gas and oil at a steep markup price from China.

The only realistic way to win against large empire-like countries is essentially long term freedom fighting/terrorism/partisan warfare.

There are many other ways. That alone often fails to work. For example, look at the Baltics during the Soviet/German occupation during WW2, or other resistance movements in Nazi Germany.

No Russian citizen should ever feel safe

By the same metric, no Westerner should feel safe after US/EU gassed civilians in Iraq, Iran, Syria, or just in general for US incidiery attacks against German and Japanease civilians (main battle plan was burning entire German and Japanease populations alive as per the Pentagon website (Japan) (Germany and Japan), US illegal war against Germany (as Rooselvelt admited to Churchill ("President Franklin D. Roosevelt told Prime Minister Winston Churchill in August, 1941, that he was looking for an incident to justify opening hostilities against Nazi Germany", "The President had said he would wage war but not declare it and. that he would become more and more provocative. If the Germans did not like it they could attack American forces") US war crimes against Japan, Japanease warcrimes against eveyone who ever lived, and past and current illegal US and European wars in Europe (during cold war) and in Middle East (during and post cold war).

Ultimately, for me to believe this and not be a hypocrite I would have to:
1. Believe that democracy means the citizens had any say in the matter (lol)
2. Require me to wish for a genocide of the entirety of Europe, Asia, Russia, etc, a belief I do not subscribe too.

Point a finger at any country, and you will find a long list of War Crimes. That's not good, certainly, but your suggestion is not the solution either.

I see no other path out for Ukraine.

I'm sure that flaming ethnic tensions won't have any bad reprecussions for Ukraine whatsover. Yugoslavia? What is that, some sort of a pie, maybe?

 

[teriyakiburns]

Skeptical the oil cap will work.

It will work for as long as the vast majority of marine insurers are based in London or other western nations. An enterprising third party could try to muscle in on the market, but marine insurance is a particularly cliquish and unusual market at the best of times. It is quite literally the oldest form of insurance in the world and operates on very different rules to any other form of insurance.

 

[AgendaPoster]

I doubt Russians are that stupid plus they already played this game in Afghanistan. Realistically they won't be able to go much further than they have now without starting to have to fight insurgent action as well. The population is much more hostile to Russia once you get out of the oblasts they're already in. They know that, or should know that at least, so it's doubtful they'll even try.

Serbs are trying to start smoke up north in Kosovo which i would like to think they aren't doing on Putin's behest but with how hard they dick ride Russia i wouldn't at all be surprised if it came out that this was a ploy to try and get NATO equipment to be shuffle around more instead of going straight to Ukraine. They literally do not gain anything from doing this now of all times, if anything they're taking away attention from the ex-KLA leadership being prosecuted which you'd think they would be all about. It would be funny though if this resulted in Serbia getting bombed again.

It's not just Serbs, the Hungarians in Transylvania sent a letter demanding autonomy to the Romanian PM, for example. It's easier now to see why Orban is playing his game, he hopes that a Donbas assimilation in the Motherland would allow for a similar process of restoring a Kingdom of Hungary of sorts, with the same trajectory - ethnic unrest, demands from the minority, autonomy, war and secession, need for external intervention to save the holy minority that stuck its head in deep.
As for Serbia, it owns Kosovo, and no, it would not be fun to see it bombed. I'd rather see San Francisco going up in flames than anything to happen to Serbia. As misguided Serbs are, they are an integral part of Europe and Europeans. Some essences cannot be changed.

By the same metric, no Westerner should feel safe after US/EU gassed civilians in Iraq, Iran, Syria, or just in general for US incidiery attacks against German and Japanease civilians (main battle plan was burning entire German and Japanease populations alive as per the Pentagon website (Japan) (Germany and Japan), US illegal war against Germany (as Rooselvelt admited to Churchill ("President Franklin D. Roosevelt told Prime Minister Winston Churchill in August, 1941, that he was looking for an incident to justify opening hostilities against Nazi Germany", "The President had said he would wage war but not declare it and. that he would become more and more provocative. If the Germans did not like it they could attack American forces") US war crimes against Japan, Japanease warcrimes against eveyone who ever lived, and past and current illegal US and European wars in Europe (during cold war) and in Middle East (during and post cold war).

Not comparable.
West has many sins, but it no longer occupies land in that area. What's with the EU gassed civilians, where the hell do you take that crap from lmao?
But yeah, I had my share of fun with the Amerifats being expelled in shame from foreign land, i.e. Afghanistan, because I am consistent, and never really like the West either.
Rest of the suggestions are ridiculous, almost no animepanese or kraut wants vengeance against the US these days. Also Germany had to be crushed, because guess what?
It invaded Poland, Russia, and took land by forced, annexed territories it was not theirs. Sounds familiar? Peace starts from solid borders people don't seether about and separation.
Also, the Middle East is not Europe. Regardless of how much respect I might have for some of its history and accomplishments, Europe is Europe, even in its current disgusting, decrepit state.

I'm sure that flaming ethnic tensions won't have any bad reprecussions for Ukraine whatsover. Yugoslavia? What is that, some sort of a pie, maybe?

You cannot be serious. They are already invaded.

 

[Gender: Xenomorph]

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You're not even using the meme right XDXD

And your assumptions are as accurate as the british experts saying that Ukraine will win

Don't those silly so-called "experts" know that Russian conditions for victory are [whatever the map looks like now]???

Conditions for victory? Nobody knows and they keep changing.

Are the alleged nazis gone? Or are they still working handin hand with the jews?

 

[Gender: Xenomorph]

Ruble is falling back to pre-war levels.

So much for "Putin's move made the Ruble as strong as it was in 2001" argument.

 

[AgendaPoster]

It will work for as long as the vast majority of marine insurers are based in London or other western nations. An enterprising third party could try to muscle in on the market, but marine insurance is a particularly cliquish and unusual market at the best of times. It is quite literally the oldest form of insurance in the world and operates on very different rules to any other form of insurance.

Sounds deeply unconvincing. I am yet to see any solid results from the sanctions other than NAFO memes and all sorts of anecdotal accounts of Russian collapse that don't materialize on the battlefield. I have yet to see projections of the effects for any of the sanctions, graphs and data.
Russia is building its army again in Belarus for another take at Kiev I believe. Its citizens are brainwashed and obedient drones. They'll endure through low quality of life like Europeans do, in order for Putin to invest in the army.
I don't see the sanctions doing anything serious other than giving Western analysts reasons to act triumphal online.