Philosophy Tube / Oliver Lennard / Oliver "Olly" Thorn / Abigail Thorn - Breadtube's Patrick Bateman.

I'm thinking our old friend Joan is probably correct about the novel being Ada.
I find myself doubting it more and more. The novel is really too big and complex to be coherently adapted. It's also very un-PC, which makes it even less likely that it a producer would want to put up the money for it.

Nothing more hilarious to me than when troons call themselves lesbians.
I wonder how many fewer troons there'd be if it was part of the deal that you had to have a stinkditch installed and you could only have sex with men. I bet Olly's supposed internal womanhood would never have manifested itself if that were the case. It's truly bizarre the lengths to which these straight men will go just to pretend they aren't straight men.

The idea that straight men would be into him like this is so bizarre.
Some men do have a transwoman fetish. He's too hulking to pass though, so it would be a subset of submissive men who like the idea of being fucked by a giant tranny. There are definitely people out there like that.

Also would men being attracted to him be such a bad thing? He used to want to have sex with men, right? He did an entire musical interlude where he came out as bisexual and therefore was attracted to men and wanted to have sex with men. He couldn't possibly have just been saying he was bi for breadtube points...
I think whether he's actually somewhat attracted to men or not, 'coming out' as bi was always going to be a political ploy. Being a 'straight white male' was never going to hold in the long run. Being bi did give him oppression points at that point in time. These days bisexuality barely exists in that matrix.
Never seen the musical interlude - someone please give me a link? But yes, the whole bisexual thing was clearly total horseshit. He's gone way up in rank on the oppression scale by trooning out, so being bisexual now has no benefits for him. In fact, by just continuing to be a straight man in drag, he then can pretend he's also a lesbian which makes him feel even more special and oppressed. Win-win.

Like a lot of women who claim to be bisexual, probably the furthest Olly ever went was drunken kissing at a party. I really don't believe he ever had sex with a man (not counting Contra). He's just a typical bloke, isn't he? A basic, average, run-of-the-mill straight guy. In food terms he's white bread with cheap mayonnaise.
 
Some men do have a transwoman fetish. He's too hulking to pass though, so it would be a subset of submissive men who like the idea of being fucked by a giant tranny. There are definitely people out there like that.
'fucked by a giant tranny' was the laugh i needed today :)


*he's still, as of less than an hour ago, spamming his "Vote for me - you dont need to be in the UK (or to have seen it) to vote! " posts on twitter.

so as of yet, no matter the fact that this award is worthless, he hasnt got it yet either.
he's clever for keeping who the book is under his huge hat- if anyone knew they coudl warn the person off and taking briefest of glances at this odious constant self promotion would sour it even more than it already it...i suppose if being harangued over Christmas doesn't already do it.
 
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I find myself doubting it more and more. The novel is really too big and complex to be coherently adapted. It's also very un-PC, which makes it even less likely that it a producer would want to put up the money for it.


I wonder how many fewer troons there'd be if it was part of the deal that you had to have a stinkditch installed and you could only have sex with men. I bet Olly's supposed internal womanhood would never have manifested itself if that were the case. It's truly bizarre the lengths to which these straight men will go just to pretend they aren't straight men.


Some men do have a transwoman fetish. He's too hulking to pass though, so it would be a subset of submissive men who like the idea of being fucked by a giant tranny. There are definitely people out there like that.



Never seen the musical interlude - someone please give me a link? But yes, the whole bisexual thing was clearly total horseshit. He's gone way up in rank on the oppression scale by trooning out, so being bisexual now has no benefits for him. In fact, by just continuing to be a straight man in drag, he then can pretend he's also a lesbian which makes him feel even more special and oppressed. Win-win.

Like a lot of women who claim to be bisexual, probably the furthest Olly ever went was drunken kissing at a party. I really don't believe he ever had sex with a man (not counting Contra). He's just a typical bloke, isn't he? A basic, average, run-of-the-mill straight guy. In food terms he's white bread with cheap mayonnaise.
It was his "Queer" video from 2019. I'll spare you the whole thing, but there's three songs he covers. My Type by Saint Motel ("you're just my type; you've got a pulse and you are breathing"), The Devil You Know from the musical Sideshow (with some lyric tweaks to be about YouTube) and "Steady As She Goes" by The Raconteurs.

For Steady As She Goes he performs it as a duet with himself as his parents, including a drag outfit and a strained falsetto.

The Devil You Know actually provoked a stronger cringe reaction with me because he does a bunch of musical theatre singing and it's clearly supposed to be a showcase of his range.
Update on the book adaptation:
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Going back through that thread I'm just going to recheck my notes
  • The author (unknown gender) is dead
  • The book is "so old" it's from a time where legal documents relating to screen rights may be lost as it's from an era where "nobody gave a shit"
  • The man who organised the transfer of representation to the literary agent is also dead
  • Some "friends in LA" helped him find the literary agent, suggesting an American connection
  • The head guy who runs the agency and personally manages these rights "has his name on the building"
  • Ollie wants to take him to dinner, suggesting he does also have a connection to the UK
Assuming Ollie isn't embellishing in his usual way this might not be a UK literary agent and also presumably is an agency with a man's name in the title. So potentially Donald Maass, Marly Rusoff or Bill Clegg... or Andrew Wylie, also known as "The Jackal".

Wylie founded the literary agency named after him in New York in 1980. He opened a second office in London in 1996.[10] It now represents more than 1000 clients and literary estates. For his business tactics, Wylie has been nicknamed "The Jackal".

He is the literary agent of Salman Rushdie.

Throughout his career as a literary agent, Wylie has attracted attention for poaching clients from other agents. In 1995 Martin Amis left his agent of 22 years, Pat Kavanagh, for Wylie, who was reported to have secured an advance of £500,000 for Amis's novel The Information.

He's apparently known for handling posthumous estates of big deal authors. Sure enough, in 2008, Dimitri Nabokov arranged a change in representation to Andrew Wylie directly - in order to oversee the publication of Nabokov's unfinished last novel. Dimitri Nabokov died in 2012, and the Nabokov Literary Foundation remains on the books of the Wylie Agency.

In August, Andrew Wylie granted rights of adaptation for "Invitation to a Beheading" to Uri Singer. On an upswing from "The Prince", that news could have registered on Ollie's radar (assuming he reads Variety).

The Wylie Agency maintains offices in New York and London. So the madlad might actually be trying to adapt Ada.

The only bit that doesn't necessarily mesh is the broadcast rights bit - Invitation To A Beheading predates Ada; I'm not sure what would constitute an era where nobody gave a shit about such things. The author would probably have to have died after 1952 for copyright to still apply (70 years after author's death is when it lapses) which does narrow it down a bit. Still, there's plenty of big estates to pick from - I have a hunch Andrew Wylie is the right track.
 
this again..?
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because he cant let a (for some reason precieved as a 'good' ) joke / point go said only once.


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i half wondered if he might get up someones swollen cartilage nose with this one..


@AssignedEva oh god, the 'friend in LA'/American connection mention, combined with the rest has just given me a shudder that its someone like James baldwin..or at the very least someone black.

criiiiiiiiiinge

would he possibly give the time of day to a black author in a way that is not self serving? of course, this IS self serving..but still... i dont know.
would he respect it enough to plough in like this?

on the side for the defense, we have that olly is a fundamentally racist fuck - before even touching on the rest, his arrogance puts him perceptively above the human race in general; i'll leave a big ETC- as the rest of his whole...being, and his 'muh segretated clinics' is honestly offensive and redundant beyond polite discussion- but the prosecution calls to order, his 'coming out video' and his willingness to clamber atop black womens work to wedge his oppression up off the floor

-flashback to "philosophers of colour"
cos ofc Olly, as a posh white male hamfaced fuck is a REAL standard philosopher, everyone else on planet earth needs a qualifier
 
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I did speculate about Uri Singer in an earlier post.




Some Twitter screenshot both post to Reddit by Joan. At this point I'm convinced She's disgusted with Olly's narcissim and simply shares this with Reddit either to stir the pot or peak people.


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Stop trying to get the attention of channels you know make better content than yours you berk! He's not even trying to complement someone by complementing himself, he's just jumping into someone's mentions to remind people he exists.




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What the fuck is he even talking about? Even Speedwagon 'Alice' seems to have given up trying to tardwrangle him on twitter
 
He sounds like a sex pest at best. Potential rapist at worst.
I mean, can you believe that ‘getting domed off’ by the listener thing posted on Twitter- literally fantastising about his audience fantasising about sucking him off.

He’s fucking grotesque lolol
And he thinks it’s not even just acceptable but so good he’s got to put it on Twitter so people who don’t have tumblr get to bask in it. Bro.
 
He's apparently known for handling posthumous estates of big deal authors. Sure enough, in 2008, Dimitri Nabokov arranged a change in representation to Andrew Wylie directly - in order to oversee the publication of Nabokov's unfinished last novel. Dimitri Nabokov died in 2012, and the Nabokov Literary Foundation remains on the books of the Wylie Agency.

In August, Andrew Wylie granted rights of adaptation for "Invitation to a Beheading" to Uri Singer. On an upswing from "The Prince", that news could have registered on Ollie's radar (assuming he reads Variety).

The Wylie Agency maintains offices in New York and London. So the madlad might actually be trying to adapt Ada.

The only bit that doesn't necessarily mesh is the broadcast rights bit - Invitation To A Beheading predates Ada; I'm not sure what would constitute an era where nobody gave a shit about such things. The author would probably have to have died after 1952 for copyright to still apply (70 years after author's death is when it lapses) which does narrow it down a bit. Still, there's plenty of big estates to pick from - I have a hunch Andrew Wylie is the right track.
I don't think it's Nabokov for the following reasons:

(1). Olly seemed to imply that it's a lesser-known author, or at any rate not an extremely famous author like Nabokov.
(2). Ada was definitely not written in an era when "nobody gave a shit" about film rights to books - Lolita had already been adapted into a hit film by Kubrick (which Nabokov himself was quite enthusiastic about).
(3). The fact that the rights were so recently granted doesn't seem to square with what Olly's said - he gives the impression that it's a long, complicated process because no one even thought about getting the film rights to this work before he popped the question. I bet Andrew Wylie gets tons of proposals to adapt Nabokov's books and it's probably a straightforward process, especially since Olly has an agent.
(4). I've read Ada and it's just not chooby enough - I know he affects to admire it, but I don't buy it at all. His interest in modernist literature is almost certainly as superficial as his interest in philosophy and Shakespeare - i.e, he's interested only insofar as it can be used to bolster his status as Breadtube's trans princess. Now, I bet Contra really likes Ada, in fact I'm pretty sure I remember him saying so. It's a very Contra book. I wouldn't be surprised if Olly's supposed love of Ada begins and ends with him trying to impress Contra.

The obvious counter-argument to points 1-3 is: "yeah, but Olly's a retard". True, but I'm sticking to my guns on this one.

As I already mentioned earlier though, I do think Andrew Wylie is a very good bet, considering the breadth of his catalogue of dead authors.
 
I find myself doubting it more and more. The novel is really too big and complex to be coherently adapted. It's also very un-PC, which makes it even less likely that it a producer would want to put up the money for it.

This is probably accurate, but I think you forget: Olly's an idiot who doesn't understand his limitations, or seemingly even how you go about shopping a project to rights-holders. Plus, taking a big, complex work and scrubbing it clean of anything difficult or specific in the name of PC is very Current Decade.
 
The obvious counter-argument to points 1-3 is: "yeah, but Olly's a retard". True, but I'm sticking to my guns on this one.
This principle is known as Ollys Razor - all things being equal he will have the most basic and retarded reasoning for his actions.

He's the kind of guy to tell you he knows this really cool cafe but then he takes you there and its a franchised Starbucks in a listed building.
 
I don't think it's Nabokov for the following reasons:

(1). Olly seemed to imply that it's a lesser-known author, or at any rate not an extremely famous author like Nabokov.
(2). Ada was definitely not written in an era when "nobody gave a shit" about film rights to books - Lolita had already been adapted into a hit film by Kubrick (which Nabokov himself was quite enthusiastic about).
(3). The fact that the rights were so recently granted doesn't seem to square with what Olly's said - he gives the impression that it's a long, complicated process because no one even thought about getting the film rights to this work before he popped the question. I bet Andrew Wylie gets tons of proposals to adapt Nabokov's books and it's probably a straightforward process, especially since Olly has an agent.
(4). I've read Ada and it's just not chooby enough - I know he affects to admire it, but I don't buy it at all. His interest in modernist literature is almost certainly as superficial as his interest in philosophy and Shakespeare - i.e, he's interested only insofar as it can be used to bolster his status as Breadtube's trans princess. Now, I bet Contra really likes Ada, in fact I'm pretty sure I remember him saying so. It's a very Contra book. I wouldn't be surprised if Olly's supposed love of Ada begins and ends with him trying to impress Contra.

The obvious counter-argument to points 1-3 is: "yeah, but Olly's a retard". True, but I'm sticking to my guns on this one.

As I already mentioned earlier though, I do think Andrew Wylie is a very good bet, considering the breadth of his catalogue of dead authors.
I think you’re on the money with most of this, but (4) isn’t really an argument against Ada. Olly acts on his affected interests. He drew from Henry IV for The Prince and wrote parts of it in iambic pentameter. His hunger for prestige sets him on high effort paths. In light of his past behavior, it’s perfectly conceivable that he’d promise years of his life to a profile raising affectation — after all, that’s what he did with Philosophy Tube.

Probably not Ada, though, because he only affects interests in artists he believes to be prestigious and/or popular, and he sucks off Nabokov too reverently to 180° into such condescending terms as “raising the profile of the IP.” The more he tweets, the more the vibe is of astonishment at the enormous barriers erected between his desire and (what he sees as) a small fish. If Nabokov seemed a small fish to him, would he affect fierce interest in the first place? Gut says no.

Still, it understandably remains the biggest guess on the board because the man does not read fiction otherwise.

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Irrevocable end of an old friendship after years apart? Hmmm…

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GOD the dig at Contra here, I love the passive-aggressiveness between these two grown men.
But surely he isn’t still hung up on this, surely it’s been three years, surely he has a new girl dearly beloved and they’re engaged in the most wonderful natural lesbianism…!

tbf, Olly doesn’t seem to maintain friendships well beyond Twitter, so he could be referring to any number of other lost friends. But it’s funny to imagine him seething and vagueposting and threatening to spill His Truth at a blank white wall, so I will.
 
Olly's thoughts on Ada from back in 2017:
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I ain’t gonna read that as I liked Lolita and ain’t yet read Ada- but lmao the first lines alone don’t half show up how bad a writer Olly is- they also clue me in to the fact it will be ridden with plot spoilers, which I’m very sensitive to.
Philosophy “Key Stage 3” Tube
 
Come to think of it, the fictional character that Olly reminds me of the most is Alan Partridge, they both have laughably transparent attempts to be humble (Olly seems like the kind of person to make a 'Welcome to the places of my life' kind of show), they are both obsessed with being famous, they both have excruciatingly upper middle class sensibilities and attitudes, and they both do that annoying thing with their upper lip that Brits from that particular social class always seem to do.

Olly should just skip to the end and constantly ask people what they think about the pedestrianization of Norwich city centre.
 
Come to think of it, the fictional character that Olly reminds me of the most is Alan Partridge, they both have laughably transparent attempts to be humble (Olly seems like the kind of person to make a 'Welcome to the places of my life' kind of show), they are both obsessed with being famous, they both have excruciatingly upper middle class sensibilities and attitudes, and they both do that annoying thing with their upper lip that Brits from that particular social class always seem to do.

Olly should just skip to the end and constantly ask people what they think about the pedestrianization of Norwich city centre.
Which makes his attempts at ingratiating himself wIth Steve Coogan all the funnier- he will see through him so intensely.

Also, Alan at least has the balls to do phone ins/public interactions that are not entirely “safe” and risk someone giving an opinion which is not thoroughly ChoobApproved (Tm.)

Pls expand on the lip thing you mean, I’m not aware
 
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