Off-Topic Detransitioner/Desister Stories - People you know or heard about deciding to return to their original gender/sex

Let's check on r/detrans and see how the sane, recovered ex-trannies are doing. You know, the ones who have seen the light and are turning their lives around:

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Oh. I see. Normal shit.

One more:

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link/archive her profile is mostly porn and also looking for sperm donors.

"As a dog returneth to his vomit, so a fool returneth to his folly."
 
How is it allowed to put a minor under anesthesia to remove their sex organs?

Detrans woman - ftmtf
I hate replaying it all, it’s so creepy and predatory.

Everyone around me knew but they didn’t tell me better. No adult thought to take me aside and tell me it’s okay to be a tomboy. My family hated “d^kes” so now I understand the internal self inflicting homophobia. Even the adults in my life pretended to support this crap, even my teachers. How can a teacher stand by to watch and proceed sign for it? I’m a multilated manly creep. Trying to look like a woman is so embarrassing no one takes me seriously. Looking back, I wasn’t ugly I was just so sad and I took it out on myself. As an adult I can think clearer- I decided to let my hair fall out, my whole body to become hairy, grow a beard, cut my breast’s off, stop my period, make my nose bigger, change my body shape etc- as a child. My doctors and mental health team just nodded and sent me on my way. Who would do this to a kid? I was fine the way I was born. I could have done a workbook, meditation, self reparenting. I could have made friends in normal settings. Guys won’t hold my hand or treat me like a normal woman. I was fine without a beard and it won’t go away. I look like Rodger from American dad.

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I fell down the trans Internet rabbit hole as a middle schooler throughout 2013-2014 - what an infohazard to a girl as spergy, outcasted, neurotic, troubled with body image, and precocious in verbal IQ as me. The "trans women are women, in the sense that gender is distinct from sex" to "am I really a girl, then?" to "so much is explained by me not being a girl!" to "so I should transition to be seen as my true self" pipeline is real.

But I'm so, so grateful this was before it was mainstream. I never felt entitled to even a "social transition" in my youth; I figured that was for adulthood, when I would have my own money and freedom and wouldn't need my parents' permission or facilitation. I'd gotten into some tearful arguments with my family over my declared identity, and that unfortunately dragged the phase out longer than it should've been, because I didn't want to prove them right and feel like all that conflict was for nothing. But if they'd actually put me down that path, or even just let me be known as a "boy" at school, it would've been even harder to turn around.

With no outward changes, all it takes to drop it is to think, I don't actually need that. Once you've made the changes, you'll only feel ready to drop it once you realize you've actively made your life worse, once you realize you need to stop.
Pretty much the same thing happened to me - similar time period but I was in my late teens, and went non binary rather than full on FTM. Funny thing is, I never believed any of the other social justice ideology that was gaining popularity mainly on Tumblr around the time, thought it was just another way to boss people around by telling them what to say and think (which was true, and still is), but the idea that there were options outside of male and female was incredibly appealing to a kid like me who struggled with low self esteem, social isolation and an uncertain future. Never did "come out" to my classmates because the concept of being non binary wasn't widely known then so I didn't want to risk even further social alienation, and I'm glad I was allowed to realise one day "this makes no sense" and ditch the whole thing.
 
How is the detrans movement going? Is it growing? I want to hope.
There do seem to be more detransers around, but what I see on r/detrans isn't encouraging in terms of said detransers actually snapping out of it. It's looking more and more like just a vicious cycle for a lot of them.
 
More examples of these people basically being druggies:

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I'm truly lost in the last two years (December 2020 to today) I have gone on HRT for at least 5 times each accompanied by three months of SERMs after stopping HRT. Now I'm beginning a new cycle I just started Bicalutamide (Antiandrogen) and waiting for an Estrogen vial to come. Following on the last 5 times it will be the same, but this time I will be left with a slightly bigger gynecomastia compared to now.

Its been pointed elsewhere in the thread as well (here for those intrested), but these people are basically smack addicts. They treat these hormones same way a crackhead would treat smack. Repeatedly going on and off them "trying to quit", except these hormones are several times more dangerous and they are not even meant to be used for pleasure so they don't have the withdrawl excuse actual smack addicts have.

This behaviour in particular is what makes me lose a lot of sympathy for them. They are treating serious medicine (that in many cases they're depriving from people who actually need it, throwback to the estrogen shortage) as a recreational drug and then go "oh wowie poor wittle me" because the mere thought of just being a regular person is to them like crosses are to satan.

"I'm tired of this all, I just want to get out of this but I'm stuck."

HORMONES AREN'T DRUGS. At least get addicted to heroin, that way you won't be depriving it from people who need it asshole.

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"As a dog returneth to his vomit, so a fool returneth to his folly."
The nipple rings are what gets me. Even after all this time she still isn't content with just being normal. She has to be "not like those lame normal girls" .
 
It's been pointed elsewhere in the thread as well (here for those intrested), but these people are basically smack addicts. They treat these hormones same way a crackhead would treat smack. Repeatedly going on and off them "trying to quit", except these hormones are several times more dangerous and they are not even meant to be used for pleasure so they don't have the withdrawl excuse actual smack addicts have.
It's even funnier because the high they are chasing is purely psychological. The hormones, in and of themselves, don't give any pleasure. They want the symbol of the thing, a symbol of being able to dissociate from their natal sex. You give a bunch of troons some pink and blue TicTacs and tell them it's actually hormones, they'll get the same "euphoria".
 
WHAT is with all the female troons who sing? I'm just picturing all these silly little teeny bopper girls, average height of 5'1, sitting around singing Disney and Mariah songs with their broken Johnny Cash-in-puberty-hell voices.


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A disproportionate number of TiF (de)troons seem to be particularly petite and/or curvy; in other words, women who have nothing androgynous in their looks and who unlike most fashion models (a fair share of those already look like starved teen boys; fashion models who troon out, together with some sportswomen, generally make for the most convincing-looking female troons) will never, ever convincingly pass as male, especially now that more people are informed about TiF troonery. One of the reasons I first got depressed and then desisted from troonery is that I realized that I, a 5'3 baby-faced hourglass-to-pear-shaped girl, would never ever look convincing even as a young teen boy; what a blessing in disguise that was, because if I had had a more androgynous build, maybe I would have gone further. But it seems a lot of these TiFs nowadays have totally given their brains to the cult, which promises them that all TiFs will pass if under testosterone for a long enough time. It is not true. Someone as short and soft as Nady 'Milo' Stewart will never pass on 'T', no matter how long she may take it, wheter for insufficient general masculinization (the best case for a future detroon honestly) or for developing some possibly very masculine characteristics (body hair, muscles) but on an otherwise very unchangeably feminine face and build (and the chipmunk voice likely), which results in Uncanny Valley denizens (what would have happened to me).

If TiFs troon aim to pass, the prerequisite is that they should have an androgynous build which means, sufficiently tall and robust to pass as a teen boy's and without too many curves; in other words, usually the build of a woman who had a late puberty so that her bones could grow longer, more like it happens with boys (boys develop later than girls). These short and curvy TiFs likely had their puberty on the early side, which is a huge factor in my opinion in what might drive a girl (especially a tomboyish, nerdy and/or autistic girl) to transitioning. Puberty is already traumatic in itself, but our 'culture' is striving to make it even more so (teens are left in a sex and 'sex education' wasteland without having true adults guiding them through); if you add starting puberty when you are still basically a little girl, some form of troonism may look appealing - 'hey! You remember that traumatic puberty you had? Now you can 're-do' it but more by your rules, and then life will be cool' (it doesn't work this way irl of course).
This is not a sufficient factor to explain TiF troonism, nor is it necessary, but it is pretty frequent. It is also what happened in my case.

The saddest thing to me to compare with these more recent detroons though, is that when I got over my TiF phase, I  really got over it. It was almost istantaneous and I never had any desire to be male (or not female) anymore. I continue to be somewhat interested in learning what the troons are doing now (if nothing else because with their ever increasing reach they don't want to leave me, or anyone, alone - their mistake) and in dismantling what little of the troon agenda I can with the people around me but the idea of taking hormones or changing my body has negative pull. These detrooners instead are more like relapsing anorexics and alcoholics. I wonder what our differences are, that bring such a result. I can speculate:

-I never took 'T'

-I never tried social transition because I never fully 'passed' physically and I knew the teens at my high school then would have (rightly) laughed at me if I said I believed in troon ideology (at the time of course I saw this as a tragic reality, not me being stupid)

-shortly after coming to term with being female I also came to term with being straight, despite a not-so-linear sexual orientation history in my teens. In fact, the stronger I identified as a TiF, the stronger my attraction to women was, and it was involuntary. When I accepted being a woman, I saw sameness between me and other women and that made my sexual attraction to them vanish. Now, being straight is simply the most compatible sexual orientation with our biology so I did not have the constant problems with female attributes many lesbian radfem detroons and qwirky enbies keep encurring in.

-At the time my detrooning happened (about 10 years ago), the rules for being trans were a bit more sensical (relatively speaking). If a TiM enjoyed and really wanted to keep his dong, he could call himself transgendered, but not a trans woman. If a TiF bore a baby, it was acceptable only if it was her only way to have progeny; any sign of her enjoying the pregnancy would have immediately disqualified her troonhood. A 'three-holed faggot' was impossible; if you were a true & honest Gayden, you had to take it up the butt. And so on. These rules maybe helped more people detrans themselves ('well I really enjoyed X, which I shouldn't have done. Maybe I'm not actually trans?'). Now instead you can do and enjoy literally anything and still be trans. This includes male-female missionary position sex being seen as 'gay', or a woman getting pregnant multiple times calling herself 'seahorse dad', or a man calling his penis 'strapless lesbian dildo'. Reality has been fully clowned.
Since I realized I would have, in the right circumstances, enjoyed a relationship with a guy including in the traditional, leads-to-babies sense, I really had no reason to call myself 'trans' at all. But now someone in my same position might decide that makes her a 'boywife' or somesuch :geek:

Anyways these are my thoughts. I don't like the current detroon wave at all.
 
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shortly after coming to term with being female I also came to term with being straight, despite a not-so-linear sexual orientation history in my teens. In fact, the stronger I identified as a TiF, the stronger my attraction to women was, and it was involuntary. When I accepted being a woman, I saw sameness between me and other women and that made my sexual attraction to them vanish. Now, being straight is simply the most compatible sexual orientation with our biology so I did not have the constant problems with female attributes many lesbian radfem detroons and qwirky enbies keep encurring in.

This is really interesting. I wonder what would have happened if you had taken T because the libido enhancing effects of it seems to act like "truth serum" for other FTMs, that's when they become "gay" because the lesbian cope falls apart when they start feeling actual desire.

And yes the terfy "desisters" seem to continue in their battle against their normal healthy female bodies. So much of whether life seems good or bad is down to framing. Their framing sucks ass. Heterosexuality is a dangerous burden. Motherhood is a horror. Boobs are a pain in the neck. Periods are a curse. It sounds like hell, but it's a hell entirely of their own construction.
 
This is really interesting. I wonder what would have happened if you had taken T because the libido enhancing effects of it seems to act like "truth serum" for other FTMs, that's when they become "gay" because the lesbian cope falls apart when they start feeling actual desire.

And yes the terfy "desisters" seem to continue in their battle against their normal healthy female bodies. So much of whether life seems good or bad is down to framing. Their framing sucks ass. Heterosexuality is a dangerous burden. Motherhood is a horror. Boobs are a pain in the neck. Periods are a curse. It sounds like hell, but it's a hell entirely of their own construction.

This reminds me of a friend of mine. Standard middle aged nerd, dumpy and fat and pale. Doc found out she was low T (yes, women need a certain amount too, just far less than a man) and got her on a therapeutic dose to bring her up to what it should be.

Said friend stopped being dumpy and a shutin since she got motivation and a raging sex drive.

I now cannot help but wonder how many people trooning out are ironically getting the wrong hormones.
 
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This is really interesting. I wonder what would have happened if you had taken T because the libido enhancing effects of it seems to act like "truth serum" for other FTMs, that's when they become "gay" because the lesbian cope falls apart when they start feeling actual desire.
I started understanding many lesbians have in fact self-inflicted heterophobia when I heard in the lesbian detroon circles at the time that many lesbians tempted by trooning out did not go fully in with hormones because they feared that with 'T' they would become attracted to men (aka, becoming heterosexual or bisexual women, just with a beard and chipmunk voice). Some rationalized that change as being okay because they would still retain 'gayness', but as 'men'. The hatred and disgust many lesbians have for heterosexual women is little known but very, very powerful.
And yes the terfy "desisters" seem to continue in their battle against their normal healthy female bodies. So much of whether life seems good or bad is down to framing. Their framing sucks ass. Heterosexuality is a dangerous burden. Motherhood is a horror. Boobs are a pain in the neck. Periods are a curse. It sounds like hell, but it's a hell entirely of their own construction.
Women will never 'win' at anything if they look at their own female set of cards, despise it, and attempt to (poorly) masculinize it (the standard feminist strategy) or to change the card set with men's (the troon strategy). We win by finding strength in the things we are good at and using them for good, usually in a way that a man can't. That is what gives true contentedness and happiness in being born a woman. A lot of the shitty world we have to deal with is because women, under the influence of feminism, have been constantly underrating their strengths and/or using them in the wrongest way possible.

Let me make a nerdy example, mages and healers are powerful but squishy, so you don't deploy them in the middle of the battlefield, you have physical tanks for that. You let them attack or cure from a guarded position. In this case, feminists would demand mages and healers being put right in the middle of the action because they think only the glory of first-line combat is where's at, and that mages and healers can very well deal with it, it's just paladin propaganda that they go down in two hits. The results speak for themselves.

I would also add that while I realized I was a woman almost instantly, it took me some years to fully appreciate it. It was not an easy road and I know it's not fully finished yet. But from that moment I knew 'trans' was a cope I could not go back to.
 
these people are basically smack addicts
Someone once asserted to me with a straight face that their depression would abate once they got their HRT dosage right. Because they would finally have "the right hormone balance for [their] brain". There is a lot of magical thinking around HRT for sure, and it's kinda sad that there isn't even a nice little high to go along with it. It's just pure nonsensical belief.
The hatred and disgust many lesbians have for heterosexual women is little known but very, very powerful.
And many will refuse to date bi women on principle, or put a lot of stock in the idea of being a 'gold star' lesbian. The basic idea that having sex with a man once taints you forever lives strong.
 
And many will refuse to date bi women on principle, or put a lot of stock in the idea of being a 'gold star' lesbian. The basic idea that having sex with a man once taints you forever lives strong.

To most lesbian radfems and a good number of regular lesbians straight and bisexual women are basically the same thing, though bisexual women are worse because they will stay with a lesbian for 5 minutes, fooling them into thinking they were going to last, and then go back to men. Hence the term 'bihet'.
Most of them can't accept the fact they will always lose to men in dating. Part of that is the biological pull, both in the strict sexual sense and for the fact women can form families with men that women alone can't create, and surprise, most women are family oriented (gasp!! I can't believe the sex that bears babies tends to love babies and the idea of having a family of their own. I guess the patriarchy put that idea in their mind). Part of that is that man + woman just tends to be more functional in a lot of ways than homosexual couples. And finally, part of that is that lesbians, and especially radfem lesbians, tend to be at least a little bit insane. So if bisexual women can choose, they will choose men most of the time*.

*And of course, straight men far outnumber lesbians.
 
I started understanding many lesbians have in fact self-inflicted heterophobia when I heard in the lesbian detroon circles at the time that many lesbians tempted by trooning out did not go fully in with hormones because they feared that with 'T' they would become attracted to men (aka, becoming heterosexual or bisexual women, just with a beard and chipmunk voice). Some rationalized that change as being okay because they would still retain 'gayness', but as 'men'. The hatred and disgust many lesbians have for heterosexual women is little known but very, very powerful.
This is one thing that I always wondered about lesbianism and lesbians. What are they getting out of it exactly?

At least with gay men it makes sense, men have higher libido and lower sexual inhibitions, so at least they get sex whenever, wherever and however with whomever they want. Sure they'll die at 40 from a mix of a cocktail of venerial diseases and collapsed veins, but at least they're getting something out of it.

Meanwhile, for the inverse reason, lesbians don't get sex, they don't get better/easier mate selection because women are naturally picky due to how male/female reproductive investment works, any mate they pick can't really protect them in any meaningful way (if anything the opposite seeing as lesbians beat the shit out of one another at a disproportional rate), women on the whole earn less than men so they can't get a sugarmommy either, and worth noting, lesbians use dildos, gay men don't use fleshlights. Just saying.

And this isn't even mentioning the biological clock/desire to have start a family/have babies thing.

Being a lesbian seems like a downgrade in every conceivable way.
 
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