Manosphere Andrew Tate / Top G / Cobratate - Egotistical MRA "influencer", arrested for trafficking in Romania, lied about having lung cancer

[William Tyndale]

As someone who fell for the personal development meme in the 2010’s, from my perspective Andrew Tate is just another guy who is out to get his money out of your pocket. He’s not the first and he won’t be the last. Napoleon Hill, Tony Robbins, Zig Ziegler (who was probably the most valuable one) Andrew Carnegie (edit: I mean Dale Carnegie) , are all the Andrew Tates of their era, but life wasn’t clown world so they didn’t have to be controversial to get everyone’s attention. All of these people bring *some* value to the table but their end goal is all the same: “Sign up for my $50/mo program to change your life.” I find it hard to trust anyone who made their money by telling other people how to make money. If Andrew tate were selling a DVD on how to become a better kick boxer then I would have more respect for him but he’s selling a dream to disillusioned teenagers. It’s kind of like the old adage “you can steal a lot more with a suit than with a ski mask.” Well you can make a lot more money by promising people riches if they follow you than by actually starting a legitimate business and earning it. Male PUAs are the testosterone version of onlyfans thots. They add nothing to the value of society and only encourage people to chase dopamine hits instead of real emotional and spiritual development. The most valuable personal development coach would tell you to put your phone down and go live your life, read a fucking book. He wouldn’t say “start a YouTube channel and post clips of me.”

 

[JaneThough]

This would be a terrible idea for society. Suddenly you have men who want nothing to do with women because they could poke a hole in a condom and get the man as a permanent slave who only leaves to work. The chilling effect it would have would drop the birth rate of natives even harder.

So what is YOUR solution to this rampant absentee father issue?

 

[Healthy Boy Brand]

South Eastern Europe have huge numbers of Romania people. The gap in fertility rates between ethnic slavs and them is as bad as the gap between Europeans and muslims.

Gypsies, not "Romania people" and not everyone in Eastern Europe is a Slav you Yankee mutt fuckwit.

 

[yydszmiteg2]

So what is YOUR solution to this rampant absentee father issue?

Pointing out that your solution is bad doesn't mean I have to come up with a better one. This is like someone with hypothermia stripping their clothing off and then shouting "Atleast I am doing something".

Male PUAs are the testosterone version of onlyfans thots.

The Tates are just the Kardashians for men. They are the mirror image appealing to all the male fantasy elements and every bit as fake.

 

[Ashkenazi Porn Actress]

Yeah mike is probably as retarded as our boy Tate

Yeah I expect nothing else from that Jewish cave troll glowie, advising self defense with a gas pistol when inner cities are filled with hoodrats who have full auto Glocks. FYI you can injure/kill with these but that requires you to press the barrel right on somebodies head.
For self def you need to extremely close for them to be effective (3 to 4 meters) if you load pepper or CS cartridges.

 

[WolfeTone]

Sucks that the term "Big Brother" has become so utterly Orwellian in the recent decades,
Big Brother Programs really work.

Also you can have a shit father and turn out worse than someone with no father, statistics only give you a very narrow alleyway of guesswork to work with when dealing with a closed set of individuals in a closed period of time. Reality is far more complex, in a majority of cases, but can be summed up with a very sage sentence: "You are who you put yourself around."
And Andrew flexing about his 33 cars to look big is likely the actual reason he's going to spend the next month in jail, cause if his taxes don't line up with the ability to get that many expensive cars, the Romanians have a nice triage of evidence against him to work with on the grounds of doing blackmarket business.

 

[huecoffs02]

So what is YOUR solution to this rampant absentee father issue?

Stop glorifying nigger culture you fucking burgers.

 

[William Tyndale]

So what is YOUR solution to this rampant absentee father issue?

The only thing that’s going to fix it is total societal collapse where the weak are culled out of existence by hardship and strife. (War, famine, etc). It’s going to require a lifestyle so destitute that the patriarchy is going to have to be reinstated for survival. There really is no other option at this point. Life has become too easy for there to be any real change. (Welfare, gibs, etc).

 

[Dread First]

how on earth does this disprove my point about male rolemodels not being un-necessary?

I think this is one of those things we'll never see eye to eye on. I adapted by trial and error. The lack of a strong male role model in my life doesn't mean I lacked strong female role models. Don't we all have grandmothers, middle-aged teachers and librarians with chained spectacles and wooden rulers, and such anymore? Anything that they couldn't realistically help me with, I had to learn the hard way. It sucked, but it worked.

When I say centralising one, and only one, person as a role model is fucking retarded, I mean that it's retarded because it dismisses everyone else that's in any given person's life be they male or female.

 

[Str8Bustah]

Absent mother is worse, but no one talks about it, probably because motherless children are mostly harmless and timid, whereas fatherless children are more likely to be antisocial, as you pointed out. The mother is critical because, among other things, she is the primary caregiver, which means the child develops an attachment style through its interaction with the mother and a basis for all further interaction with other human beings. The fact that sending kids off to nursery and encouraging mothers to work is a new phenomenon and a radical shift from what was the norm for most of human history raises some concern. But again, no one talks about it.
I think it's worth considering. Throughout history and in most societies the father would, on average, be absent far more than he is today; and the mother (or substitute primary caregiver) would be absent far less than she is today.

Well the problem here is that talking about absentee mothers gets in the way of mummy's 53rd gin cruise while she gets waited on hand and foot by musclebound strippers. Gotta make sure the kiddies are slapped in a nursery so that she can avoid any child neglect charges first, though!

Don't we all have grandmothers, middle-aged teachers and librarians with chained spectacles and wooden rulers, and such anymore?

I really hate to break it to you, mate, but we don't live in the 1990s anymore, things have changed for the worst in the last couple of decades.

 

[Amazing Criminal]

So what is YOUR solution to this rampant absentee father issue?

The good word of the Lord

 

[CAPTAIN HAPPY]

Stop derailing the thread with your mommy and daddy issues, you fags.

 

[JaneThough]

Pointing out that your solution is bad doesn't mean I have to come up with a better one. This is like someone with hypothermia stripping their clothing off and then shouting "Atleast I am doing something".


The Tates are just the Kardashians for men. They are the mirror image appealing to all the male fantasy elements and every bit as fake.

My solution was completely tongue in cheek for those of you too autistic too pick up on nuance. It’s also exactly what women are expected to do when it comes to kids but men can just fuck off and when the fatherless sons grow up to be degenerates the mothers are blamed for raising their sons without fathers.

Mens problems in todays society are 100% the fault of other men.

 

[WolfeTone]

Going back to that sage sentence: "You are who you put yourself around."

Your personality isn't you, it's a mechanically-synthesized amalgam of everything and everyone you're around. There isn't some magical laying of hands that happens between parent and offspring that endows them with good fatherly or motherly attributes. Reality is both complex and cut-and-dry. We all break the dam, through our inaction, just as we all build it and maintain it for not only our selves, but our posterity, and others' posterity as well.

 

[yydszmiteg2]

t’s also exactly what women are expected to do when it comes to kids

I don't know which country you come from but in mine if a woman has the father walk out on them the government will provide significant assistance and will also hunt down the father and garnish any income he makes. The government doesn't force the mother into house arrest.

 

[Blatant hypocrite]

RE: Father figure stuff

Andrew Tate has at least 4 children who he's neglected to go boozing and womanizing. He refuses to marry for good. And now they're going to grow up with their father in prison for human trafficking.

Andrew Tate IS the absentee father. Regardless of the reason, Tate is a piece of shit.

 

[Terra Pax]

South Eastern Europe have huge numbers of Romania people. The gap in fertility rates between ethnic slavs and them is as bad as the gap between Europeans and muslims.
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The issue with the few (seemingly) legit internet male role models I know, is that they are so disconnected from society that following is difficult.
Tate is exploiting modern ideals. A traditionalist with 7 children is stepping completely outside them.

I think that this graph is about Roma people and not Romanians, just judging by the symbol and the fact that the population of Romania alone is higher than the total estimation on this graph. Whether that affects what-ever you point was, however, I am not sure.

 

[WolfeTone]

 

[MS Paint Gigachad]

If you people want to ask about solutions, I would say joining the army might be an answer. A year or 2 of discipline, routine, physical exercise, dealing with people every day, with food and board taken care of, and to round it off, veterans benefits. Just need to graduate high school. But that's just a personal-level solution (unless you live in south korea with conscription or something).

If you wanna talk about society-level shifts, I have no answers for you, so I shall resort to whataboutism:
It's not like people like Tate are carrying out any major power-shifts, and in fact they're profiting from the system. Other than "no father figures" (to which I say there are hundreds of other alpha-male channels on youtube who have NOT BEEN BANNED and have NOT BEEN ARRESTED ON CRIMINAL CHARGES) the other problem I see him cite is "only high value men succeed (in dating, having a comfy life, etc)". But his solution is to forge high-value men from low-value men, and in fact, he would go out of business in a system where low-value men can succeed.

 

[Monkey Pink]

Is it true love, Kiwis?

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