Disney General - The saddest fandom on Earth

[Candlelight Desolation]

Afaik only time Hades almost lost his shit
with a mortal was when Asclepius got into reviving the dead and they started disappearing from the Underworld. Although Hades did went to Zeus first to get that situation sorted out.

Yeah, I don't think Greek mythology is something Disney animation should have touched due to all the adult themes and content in it, especially since they can't even get the main character's name right since Rome hadn't come around then... like they used Heracles's Latin name instead of his Greek name. Granted, "Hercules" seems to roll off the tongue better, but still...

@Kari Kamiya also mentioned Hunchback in an earlier post I replied to. I don't know who made the decision to adapt Victor Hugo's book, but it was evidently the wrong choice. The original story was about the political corruption in the French Catholic Church and the abuse of power it had at the time the story is set. I mean they had to change who makes it to the end of the story to give it a happy ending, and they had to change Frollo's role in the story to a judge from an archdeacon despite him still being deeply religious? I actually thought he was supposed to be a priest when I first watched the film before I knew better later on. Like Disney would never have gotten away with going after the Catholic Church in any way or portraying them in a bad light, regardless of historical context.* There was no good reason for them to adapt that book of all books when you have so many other classic/traditional European stories to pick from. The only good thing that came out of that film was the Hellfire villain song, and even that song is interrupted by a guard halfway through.

* Speaking of which, it also goes to show that they shouldn't have picked that story to make a movie out of... like the Church itself isn't corrupt, just "one bad egg" in the form of Frollo! Regular Medieval French people didn't hate Gypsies, just ONE corrupt official, who is abusing the deformed son of a Gypsy woman throughout the film! The Gypsies in that movie are portrayed as the good guys, just like real life 15th Century France! Totally historically accurate! Like you get the picture?

 

[Kari Kamiya]

Disney shouldn't have adapted it, but as a result, we got a god-tier soundtrack, and did get a better adaptation that still uses the Disney version and its music but incorporates more of the original story into it. It's great.

 

[starborn427614]

Disney shouldn't have adapted it, but as a result, we got a god-tier soundtrack, and did get a better adaptation that still uses the Disney version and its music but incorporates more of the original story into it. It's great.

I had the opportunity to see this live on stage and it was a near-religious experience. Pun definitely intended.

 

[Basic Blond Boy]

@Kari Kamiya also mentioned Hunchback in an earlier post I replied to. I don't know who made the decision to adapt Victor Hugo's book, but it was evidently the wrong choice. The original story was about the political corruption in the French Catholic Church and the abuse of power it had at the time the story is set. I mean they had to change who makes it to the end of the story to give it a happy ending, and they had to change Frollo's role in the story to a judge from an archdeacon despite him still being deeply religious? I actually thought he was supposed to be a priest when I first watched the film before I knew better later on. Like Disney would never have gotten away with going after the Catholic Church in any way or portraying them in a bad light, regardless of historical context.* There was no good reason for them to adapt that book of all books when you have so many other classic/traditional European stories to pick from. The only good thing that came out of that film was the Hellfire villain song, and even that song is interrupted by a guard halfway through.

I am going to reference Lindsey Ellis on this, so skepticism abound. It seems the reasoning for choosing Hunchback was the quite a few reasons.

1) Broadway - The film was being developed in tandem with the play as Disney was trying to break into that scene. I guess they felt the story would fit broadway, which, given the reviews above, they seem to be correct. I guess you can see the film as a shortened version used as an advert for the play.

2) Oscars - Pocahontas and Hunchback are often noted as being the films Disney designed as Oscar bait. After Beauty and the Beast being nominated for best picture, Disney execs were big on winning and would take gambles on darker works to achieve it.

3) Adaptation - The story was a large part of early cinema and the stage. The Disney adaptation is more or less an adaptation of years of adaptations. Hugo himself actually changed much of the story already for a general audience and plays. Meanwhile early film makers used the story and changed it to focus more on the Esmeralda love-triangle and plight of the Gypsies. The story was made to speak on the preservation of architecture, but adaptations moved away from that and turned to racism and the love story, including a happy ending. Disney adapted the adaptations as it had been years since a large Hunchback film or play adaptation, yet it still rung as a legendary part of cinema.

 

[The Decimator]

I’ve been rewatching Lilo and Stitch: The Series over the past couple of weeks after reading about that live-action adaptation that might be coming out. It’s been almost 20 years since I last saw it, but it was just as good as I remembered. I think it’s on Disney+ for those who want to check it out for themselves.

Man, Disney Channel/Toon Disney used to be so good in that era. They were more focused on entertaining kids, instead of trying to stuff progressive nonsense down their throats. Even stuff like Hannah Montana is going to age better than the fucking Owl House

 

[starborn427614]

I’ve been rewatching Lilo and Stitch: The Series over the past couple of weeks after reading about that live-action adaptation that might be coming out. It’s been almost 20 years since I last saw it, but it was just as good as I remembered. I think it’s on Disney+ for those who want to check it out for themselves.

You can't go wrong with Lilo and Stitch: Pokemon Edition. Not to mention the crossover episodes with Kim Possible, Recess etc.

 

[The Decimator]

You can't go wrong with Lilo and Stitch: Pokemon Edition. Not to mention the crossover episodes with Kim Possible, Recess etc.

I personally only really liked the Kim Possible crossover.

 

[starborn427614]

I personally only really liked the Kim Possible crossover.

It was the best of the bunch honestly.

 

[pururun]

I am going to reference Lindsey Ellis on this, so skepticism abound. It seems the reasoning for choosing Hunchback was the quite a few reasons.

1) Broadway - The film was being developed in tandem with the play as Disney was trying to break into that scene. I guess they felt the story would fit broadway, which, given the reviews above, they seem to be correct. I guess you can see the film as a shortened version used as an advert for the play.

Add in too that Les Miserables was a massive success as a musical, so it makes sense that if Disney wanted to delve into Broadway that they would pick another Victor Hugo work to ride that wave.

 

[GenociderSyo]

Disney released a new line of dolls.

 

[Basic Blond Boy]

Disney released a new line of dolls.
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I am genuinely confused? Are these supposed to be fans? Why is Tiana Asian, Jasmine white, and all the white princesses Latina or black?

As for the outfits, they look like ass. Disney should just hire the hipster Disney artists to make contemporary wear, as they are way better at designing.

 

[Kari Kamiya]

Disney released a new line of dolls.
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The fuck does any of that have anything to do with the Princesses? If it wasn't for the balloons and characters right there on the box, would've never known this was Disney-related.

 

[XYZpdq Jr.]

gotta admit, it's some balls to crackernate Jasmine

 

[Jonah Hill poster]

Disney released a new line of dolls.
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How is one goong to excited to consume more product over this? This just looks like false advertising since their skin color is tanned or bleached.

 

[Candlelight Desolation]

I personally only really liked the Kim Possible crossover.

The only Disney crossover I actually want to see is a Lion King/Tarzan crossover film. I had that thought immediately after I finished watching the latter, though it'll never happen because apparently Disney doesn't want anything to do with their Tarzan IP anymore.

 

[The Decimator]

The only Disney crossover I actually want to see is a Lion King/Tarzan crossover film. I had that thought immediately after I finished watching the latter, though it'll never happen because apparently Disney doesn't want anything to do with their Tarzan IP anymore.

Because Tarzan is racist, or something.

 

[The-Mad-Asshatter]

The only Disney crossover I actually want to see is a Lion King/Tarzan crossover film. I had that thought immediately after I finished watching the latter, though it'll never happen because apparently Disney doesn't want anything to do with their Tarzan IP anymore.

That would have been much more interesting then any of the live action crossovers they tried to give us.

 

[Counterfeit Obol]

Because Tarzan is racist, or something.

More like their relations with the Burroughs estate soured over time, so chances are they did consider it at some point only to get cockblocked by estate managers.

 

[Amber the Hedgehog]

I am genuinely confused? Are these supposed to be fans? Why is Tiana Asian, Jasmine white, and all the white princesses Latina or black?

As for the outfits, they look like ass. Disney should just hire the hipster Disney artists to make contemporary wear, as they are way better at designing.
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These are Disney bounding dolls and made for park fans about park fan culture. The mickey balloons and minney ears are big give away that that's what they are going for. I wouldn't be too surprised if you could buy some of these doll clothes in people size from there and these dolls are working as marketing too. You can wear same shirt as your doll because it's literally you, Disney magic and pixie dust.

Basically in the Disney parks anyone over 10 aren't allowed to dress as Disney characters outside of Halloween parties. Main reasons given are child safety and keeping the magic. Disney spent quite alot time training and organizing the actors so they look and act right and that you can't see duplicates of characters at once. Naturally random members of the public won't know, let alone have any real reason to follow the scrip so ban on cosplay. Also meet and greets are big business for them and don't want the competition.

Still some adults want to dress up for the parks to feel like they are part of the disney magic. What they do instead is Disney bounding or dressing up so they follow the spirit, form and/or colors of a character, movie or attraction but aren't directly costumes from these things. Recognizable but different enough not be confused to working there sort of deal.



That's why obliviously wrong race on the dolls so that you aren't confused if these are the princesses in modern clothes, they are not. Okey, they are confusing to people not into the park culture but to that target audience it's perfectly clear what these are. Honestly I think the packaging is to blame on that front alot. If they hadn't put the princess in front and had instead done something like the doll girl hugging a movie plushie it would have been much more clear. These dolls are just themed around the princesses and loving them but not depicting the princesses directly.

 

[Morethanabitfoolish]

Disney released a new line of dolls.
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Ah, they're all race swapped. Okay.

Weird but sure, why not? There was an all (bar one) black version of Othello, why not.

Something I was reminded of recently was how little an impression some of the Disney shows, even ones I like like Amphibia, have had on the general consciousness. The new Ducktales had references to everything from Quack Pack to Gargoyles. I really doubt in 30 years anything will be calling back to Gravity Falls and Amphibia. Owl House will have no chance.