Russian Invasion of Ukraine Megathread - Episode III - Revenge of the Ruski (now unlocked with new skins and gameplay modes!!!)

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🌈That presumes they will not jump ship at the last moment and move to the EU and US to be "victims of Russian imperialism" or "experts of Ukrainian-Russian relations" for future war hawks. We've already been there multiple times.
Imagine if they expanded this apply to Syrian nationals though. This might be all be worth it just for that.
Assad, please start the draft. Please.

Stop being a doublenigger and go tend to your lawn or something.
1991, 1994 and 2014 referendums all in overwhelming favour of independence/autonomy.

But then how did the Nazis allow that to happen? Are you even slightly suggesting the Nazis aren't a real issue?
 
>The spectrum you are using is susceptible to jamming
It's literally not, and would encourage you to play with two flashlights sometime.
>That is, Starlink can be jammed if you've got the ability to get between the transmitter and receiver.
Yes, with a solid object maybe...
>https://spacenews.com/spacex-shifts-resources-to-cybersecurity-to-address-starlink-jamming
Not going to read this. If what they're talking about is putting a sold object between the emitter and receiver, then sure yeah. Go for that lol. Anything outside of that is literally impossible. The other option is they're talking about longer wave like radio or microwave and then yeah, they could jam that, but not only is that irrelevant to what I said, it just circles back to what I originally said about the CREW and why it would never be used in a real war against countries with even late 20th century tech.


You are the dumbest dunning-kreuger mother fucker.
If you watching for your friends flashlight and someone shines a spotlight in your face, or sends up an illumination flare, you now can't see your friend's flashlight so good no more.

I'm not talking about physical blocking, though the closer to visible light the bigger of an issue that becomes, I'm saying if your start transmitting the same wavelength in the receivers' line of sight, you can Jam the comlink. Russia has done this to starlink, likely using either aircraft or space-assets to send noise on the starlink frequency and rendering the terminals unable to 'see' the starlink sats. starlink got around it by telling the terminals swap to different satellites when they were about to pass over the areas Russia was jamming.

Something like CREW wouldn't work on drone end of directional links, but you said the spectrum was immune. It isn't. The directional nature of the transmissions make severing the connection hard, not the EM frequency.
But also don't forget data flow is bi-directional. I don't have to know where the drones are, just your AWACS, and I can start directionally beaming the same wavelength at them from territory I control. Your drones can see your AWACS for data but you will lose your feed from your drones.

Are you feeling ok there buddy? Kiev ssend special forces over there in 1995 to put an end to the Republic of Crimea.
Stick to lawn maintance. History and current affairs are not your thing.

I'm still not tracking, so you're saying that there weren't any Nazis and Denazification was a lie Putin told?
 
You are the dumbest dunning-kreuger mother fucker.
If you watching for your friends flashlight and someone shines a spotlight in your face, or sends up an illumination flare, you now can't see your friend's flashlight so good no more.

I'm not talking about physical blocking, though the closer to visible light the bigger of an issue that becomes, I'm saying if your start transmitting the same wavelength in the receivers' line of sight, you can Jam the comlink. Russia has done this to starlink, likely using either aircraft or space-assets to send noise on the starlink frequency and rendering the terminals unable to 'see' the starlink sats. starlink got around it by telling the terminals swap to different satellites when they were about to pass over the areas Russia was jamming.

Something like CREW wouldn't work on drone end of directional links, but you said the spectrum was immune. It isn't. The directional nature of the transmissions make severing the connection hard, not the EM frequency.
But also don't forget data flow is bi-directional. I don't have to know where the drones are, just your AWACS, and I can start directionally beaming the same wavelength at them from territory I control. Your drones can see your AWACS for data but you will lose your feed from your drones.
>If you watching for your friends flashlight and someone shines a spotlight in your face, or sends up an illumination flare, you now can't see your friend's flashlight so good no more.
Literally said this was tried before and it didn't work. This is a 90s wunderwaffen countermeasure that both the US and Russia tried and it failed laughably. You can actually find examples of it failing in the earlier versions of this thread. This is an idea that you can overload the receiver with too much input. The problem with this is twofold.

1: Light can't intercede light. The correct signal will always actually get to its destination receiver.

2: Even primitive software can distinguish between random flashing lights and a predesignated series. It's not even hard to explain this at a level at which you could understand and I don't mind doing so, but it seems that you're not going to be satisfied with any answer you're going to hear on this.

>dunning-kreuger
Lol I gotta say, damn near everyone I've seen use this little line, deep down knows it most applies to them.
 
>If you watching for your friends flashlight and someone shines a spotlight in your face, or sends up an illumination flare, you now can't see your friend's flashlight so good no more.
Literally said this was tried before and it didn't work. This is a 90s wunderwaffen countermeasure that both the US and Russia tried and it failed laughably. You can actually find examples of it failing in the earlier versions of this thread. This is an idea that you can overload the receiver with too much input. The problem with this is twofold.

1: Light can't intercede light. The correct signal will always actually get to its destination receiver.

2: Even primitive software can distinguish between random flashing lights and a predesignated series. It's not even hard to explain this at a level at which you could understand and I don't mind doing so, but it seems that you're not going to be satisfied with any answer you're going to hear on this.

If you're referring to the paper I think you're referring to, you are forgetting they were shooting those lasers down fiber optic cable. I believe they were also mixing and matching frequencies, because they thought was the lasers would interfere and shift the wavelengths, but the slight angle of the bounces resulted in the beams being non-interferring, but that's down a cable between two stationary narrow-beam transeivers.
Or are you talking about trying to separate light based on vectors? because while that's possible, its getting close to quantum photon. But also lol at doing that real time hardware portable and disposable enough to be on a drone.

Near-visible light also does a bunch of things you don't want a military communication media to do, like get blocked by clouds or foliage.

Anyway, goal posts need to stop shifting.
You were talking up starlink as some sort of method of delivering your drone coms; are we dropping that or is that still something you're holding out as unjammable?

What is the broad wavelength you are referring to? And is this wavelength having induced coherence (aka 'laserfied', put into a unidirectional beam) Are were still talking photons?

I'm sorry, without the use of handpuppets I don't think I can put this in a way you can understand.
Putin's got his hand so far up your ass you're tasting borscht, I figure you could pull it off.
I'm still not seeing how this has anything to do with if there are or if there aren't a lot of Nazis in the areas Russia has sent its troops.
 
Does anyone know what the fuck Dmitry Medvedev is smoking? When I first saw his 2023 predictions I thought that they were fake, but they are actually real. The guy who was Russia's president for 4 years and prime minister for 8 years actually wrote the line "Season greetings to you all, Anglo-Saxon friends, and their happily oinking piglets!" on his official Twitter account. With idiots like this in charge, it's no wonder that they managed to fuck things up so badly in Ukraine.

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Oh, and here's a bonus prediction from everyone's favorite coach Gonzalo Lira.

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Simple, because their intended audience aren't rational people like most people are, but instead brain-dead Ztards and Rusiaboos who will eat any of their words, along with the domestic audience
It's the same playbook with the Chinese propaganda machine, hence the same kind of absurdity
 
Anything else is just online folks projecting their wish fulfillment onto the Russians.
I do want to see aerial bombing campaigns in Berlin, England and Paris and I do want to see a gallows constructed in the drained reflecting pool between the Lincoln Memorial and the Washington Monument. We could solve the Congress problem so fast!

Plz.
 
If you're referring to the paper I think you're referring to, you are forgetting they were shooting those lasers down fiber optic cable. I believe they were also mixing and matching frequencies, because they thought was the lasers would interfere and shift the wavelengths, but the slight angle of the bounces resulted in the beams being non-interferring, but that's down a cable between two stationary narrow-beam transeivers.
Or are you talking about trying to separate light based on vectors? because while that's possible, its getting close to quantum photon. But also lol at doing that real time hardware portable and disposable enough to be on a drone.

Near-visible light also does a bunch of things you don't want a military communication media to do, like get blocked by clouds or foliage.

Anyway, goal posts need to stop shifting.
You were talking up starlink as some sort of method of delivering your drone coms; are we dropping that or is that still something you're holding out as unjammable?

What is the broad wavelength you are referring to? And is this wavelength having induced coherence (aka 'laserfied', put into a unidirectional beam) Are were still talking photons?


Putin's got his hand so far up your ass you're tasting borscht, I figure you could pull it off.
I'm still not seeing how this has anything to do with if there are or if there aren't a lot of Nazis in the areas Russia has sent its troops.
>If you're referring to the paper I think you're referring to
No clue what paper you're referring to. I'm talking about "dazzlers" like the Shtora-1 being worthless

You're making this really retarded and autistic, and you're going to kick yourself later when you realize it.

If you and I are both standing next to each other and we both have laser lights and we shine them on top of each other on a wall, we didn't actually interrupt each other's beams.

On the emitter side of things, we can not interrupt each other. It's impossible. I can't jam you and you can't jam me.

Here's the other part of that which you've brought up which is the receiver.

Now lets say you have a ground based facility just throwing out random light and some how despite the astronomical odds, it manages to start throwing out shit at the exact portion of the IR spectrum the drones are operating on at that specific time. Now, all drones detect this, but they are going to just instantly flag that transmission and report that direction to the other drones. Now those drones are going to instantly send this info to the relay drone(s) or satellite which will send it back to the operators. Why? Because that's a signal coming from ground level, and it's just speaking gibberish.

>You were talking up starlink as some sort of method of delivering your drone coms; are we dropping that or is that still something you're holding out as unjammable?
Lol this is actually you shifting the goal post for me if I recall correctly. I believe what I said about starlink was that it was in the realm of being possible soon.

>What is the broad wavelength you are referring to? And is this wavelength having induced coherence (aka 'laserfied', put into a unidirectional beam) Are were still talking photons?
Seriously, you're making this way too autistic. It's not really all that hard of a thing.
Autistic screeching about lasers.

Nice.
It's a good way to start off 2023 you have to admit.
 
Simple, because their intended audience aren't rational people like most people are, but instead brain-dead Ztards and Rusiaboos who will eat any of their words, along with the domestic audience
It's the same playbook with the Chinese propaganda machine, hence the same kind of absurdity
Also just like China simps, Vatniggers are made up of a weird combination of Retarded Commies and Retarded Neo-Nazis for some godforsaken reason, even as they go against their ideology they still simp for them because of ”muh westerners”.

Also I distinctly remember someone saying that the war would be won by the Russians by Christmas, I don’t think the Vatniks are good at estimating times.
 
Does anyone know what the fuck Dmitry Medvedev is smoking? When I first saw his 2023 predictions I thought that they were fake, but they are actually real. The guy who was Russia's president for 4 years and prime minister for 8 years actually wrote the line "Season greetings to you all, Anglo-Saxon friends, and their happily oinking piglets!" on his official Twitter account. With idiots like this in charge, it's no wonder that they managed to fuck things up so badly in Ukraine.

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Oh, and here's a bonus prediction from everyone's favorite coach Gonzalo Lira.

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Its nice to know they're just as retarded about us as we are about them...
 
The small cheap drones are a decent move...cheap to produce and soak up expensive as shit SAM/Air Defence. if $20,000 balsawood drone from Iran can eat up a $400000 missile...it doesn't need to hit target to do damage
Cheap is a detriment here; whoever will be in charge of supplying the US Army wants everything as expensive as physically possible to max out the amount of cream left on their knife after cutting up the contractual cake.
 
>If you're referring to the paper I think you're referring to
No clue what paper you're referring to. I'm talking about "dazzlers" like the Shtora-1 being worthless

Some big paper about multi-modal fiber. you use a lot of the same words.

If you and I are both standing next to each other and we both have laser lights and we shine them on top of each other on a wall, we didn't actually interrupt each other's beams.

On the emitter side of things, we can not interrupt each other. It's impossible. I can't jam you and you can't jam me.

Here's the other part of that which you've brought up which is the receiver.

You mentioned Star Link first not me bro. Just making sure you were trying to stay something that's been jammed couldn't be.

You're being retarded and cherry picking.

Again, if you are watching the woods for your buddy's flash light but I send up a White Star, you aren't going to be able to see your buddys light until it burns out because you'll be blinded until it does. It doesn't matter if the signal is reaching you, your retina won't have the sensitivity to pick it out because its drowned out. Same reason its easier to see his flashlight at night, when there's no noise, vs in the day.

If you are shining a laser on a wall as a message, that's a very easy, very low-power optical sensor job. "Is there laser light or not", done.

If I want to fuck with your message, I stand next to you with the same color laser. If you start trying to flash a message in morse code, the only thing I have to do to fuck up your message is keep my laser on. Now, you can get around this upping the precision of your optical sensor, but now you need to improve the intelligence of your optical sensor. "Is there Laser light greater than zero but less than 2x"; all you need is an optical sensor with a precision of X.

So I start varying the signal strength on my laser. Now you need to update the logic "Is there Laser light that is exactly equal to X?" and you need a optical sensor with at least as much precision as I can adjust my laser.

In response, I now start randomly pulsing my laser. Now you dont' just need to clean up the signal, you need to dertermine which illumination is legit. So now in addition to your high-precision sensor, you need to start adding in signal processing to weed out noise.

On and on. There is talk of trying to use laser vectors to clean up data, and they've done this in a lab, but to clean up distortion you need to take multiple, very specific measurements, things that have either be done at very short (lab) or very long (radio telescope) distances.

You are talking about getting your drones to ignore signals from the ground; how do you do that? Are you going to pivot your receiver and add another moving part to produce, service and inspect? Are you going to try to do signal processing; will you have the horsepower do that? Are you going to tell your sensor to ignore input from a portion of it?
These things sound simple, but they are difficult to implement, especially if you want to implement them on something that'll be expected to function the chost of battle.

Anyway, lasers of the sort you're referring to are abysmal for long-range open-air coms.
I leached dorm wifi in college even after moving off campus with a pair of tight-focus directional antenna (and a repeater), and sighting them in was a mother fucker. I had move my set up because people walking in the hall would cause a tiny bit of bounce that would cause my connection to slow way the fuck down. I can't imagine the fun of trying to track multiple drones with a laser tether.

And that's to say nothing of the big target your AWACS is. What does the AWACS do when its engaged by a threat? If it moves, the drones have to keep up with with it (and it the drones). If it doesn't move, how will your drones find a new AWACS? And remember unlike a radio broadcast, your lasers are point to point. All your adversary needs is a detector in the right wavelength, and your motherships are toast, painted by their own comm equipment.

As you start to go autonomous, communication disruption becomes more inconvenient instead of critical.

case in point:


Switchblade 600 is some spooky shit.
 
Does anyone know what the fuck Dmitry Medvedev is smoking? When I first saw his 2023 predictions I thought that they were fake, but they are actually real. The guy who was Russia's president for 4 years and prime minister for 8 years actually wrote the line "Season greetings to you all, Anglo-Saxon friends, and their happily oinking piglets!" on his official Twitter account. With idiots like this in charge, it's no wonder that they managed to fuck things up so badly in Ukraine.

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https://twitter.com/MedvedevRussiaE/status/1607487797560057861

Oh, and here's a bonus prediction from everyone's favorite coach Gonzalo Lira.

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https://twitter.com/GonzaloLira1968/status/1523290287572934657
Coach cuckpill's predictions are pretty hilarious considering how decent food is one of the few things the Euros still sell on the cheap. I visited a few European countries since the war started and fresh goods from bakers and butchers seem to be very affordable and cheaper than the US. I'm not sure but I think healthy foods are subsidized or tax free in the EU. Gas is pricey but I would credit that to idiot green policies and the US and Canada's refusal to boost oil production.
 
All I want is the coutnry I live in (USA) to not be involved. We just completed a 20-year shit show in 2021 only to go right into another in 2022. The powers that be clearly want full involvement. Which will be terrible for everyone.

But hey, I guess Lockheed Martin gets a fat payday so its worth it right?

Like really, here in Texas I don't give a single fuck if all of Ukraine becomes Russia or Ukraine stays independent. Fight the good fight boys but you're on your own.
 
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