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The Duke and Duchess of Sussex have announced they will step back as "senior" royals and work to become financially independent.

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In a statement, Prince Harry and Meghan also said they plan to split their time between the UK and North America.

The BBC understands no other royal - including the Queen or Prince William - was consulted before the statement and Buckingham Palace is "disappointed".

Senior royals are understood to be "hurt" by the announcement.

In their unexpected statement on Wednesday, also posted on their Instagram page, the couple said they made the decision "after many months of reflection and internal discussions".

"We intend to step back as 'senior' members of the Royal Family and work to become financially independent, while continuing to fully support Her Majesty The Queen."

They said they plan to balance their time between the UK and North America while "continuing to honour our duty to the Queen, the Commonwealth, and our patronages".

"This geographic balance will enable us to raise our son with an appreciation for the royal tradition into which he was born, while also providing our family with the space to focus on the next chapter, including the launch of our new charitable entity."

A Buckingham Palace spokeswoman said discussions with the duke and duchess on their decision to step back were "at an early stage", adding: "We understand their desire to take a different approach, but these are complicated issues that will take time to work through."

The couple's announcement on Wednesday comes two months after the Duke of York withdrew from public life after a BBC interview about his ties to sex offender Jeffrey Epstein, who killed himself in August.

 
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I really wonder about the quality of the therapy Harry has received, because none of the therapists he's seen have apparently covered a basic dictum with him: words have power.

Any competent therapist would not have advised him to do this.
Is the therapist from California? Because then that's your answer. I'm sure is the type of therapist telling him that all he does is right, that it's everybody's fault, that he should only listen to his wife, and that he's actually a woman trapped in a man's body.
 
And many times the truth doesn't align with any of the perspectives present.
I know it's semantics, but it's more accurate to say that their perspectives doesn't align with the truth.
Truth doesn't need to align with anything, it is absolute and superior in itself.

That said, I'm putting my money on the divorcing. There's no way Meghan will stay with him once their money dries up. That will be the exciting 2nd season we're all going to get.
 
Tom Bradbury who did the ITV interview has been one of the few Jounos that actually was buddies with Harry. He was the one that got to have the interview with Harry and Sparkles when they went to Africa and started making noises about how England hates Meghan and they wanted out of their duties

It was a separate interview and within it they confirmed a lot of the stories reported to be in "Spare" is true.

Apparently throughout the interview even Bradbury - who has been Harry's number 1 bumlicker in the press - had some "wtf man" faces with some answers. Best one was Bradbury asking about the racism allegations made during the Oprah interview - to which Harry claims he never called the Royal family racist and that actually the questions about Archie's skin color was just "unconscious bias"

This made woke fans mad and everyone else rather pissed. When asked why he didn't push back on it - Harry whined about the Palace not telling everyone his wife never was a bitch to anyone ever.

Harry and Meghan accepted an award for combating "Institutional Racism" in the Royal family in New York last month. So if Harry's right he accepted an award over a lie Meghan made up for him.

 
I just finished watching the ITV interview (okay, only half-watching it while working on a project), and it was...hella fucking weird.

He's getting deeper and deeper into Woke ideologies, and that became most apparent toward the end of the interview. He's clearly being indoctrinated, because he's using the correct language. It's not full-bore word salad yet, but give him another six months, and I expect it will be.

The interviewer, Tom Bradbury, has had a friendly relationship with Harry for years, which is why he was specifically asked, by Harry, to fly to California and do the interview. It's also why Bradbury didn't ask any tough questions (i.e., "Is it remotely possible that maybe your wife is a fucking harpy?"), or push too hard on any points. Yet Harry was prickly and defensive through most of it, and there were moments of irritation, and even contempt, that seemed out of line with the questions being asked.

Mostly, I came away from it realizing that he honestly does not understand anybody else's point of view, at all. The closest he ever seems to come to understanding anybody else is if their experience was very close to his own—but even then, no two people can have the exact same experience, and they will experience and deal with the same event in drastically different ways. What leaves one traumatized, the other will make sense of and overcome. A family system that feels confining and alienating to one sibling may feel reassuringly stable to the other. He doesn't seem to get this.

So, now that I think about it, I guess it shouldn't surprise me that he doesn't understand why everybody ends up despising Meghan, and can only ascribe it to racism. He may actually see her shamelessly entitled and abusive behavior as admirable, because he's always wanted to be free to act that way himself. And if that's the case—wow. It would explain a lot.

That lack of empathy and understanding leads him to project like mad onto others. William is jealous of him, hence his anger at Harry's leaving. Camilla was allegedly devious, and leaked stories to the press, in order to enhance her own reputation; her great ambition was always to be Queen (which gets serious side-eye from me because Camilla's kept a low profile, always keeping Charles in the foreground—quite unlike Megsy).

By the way, speaking of leaking things to the press: The excerpts from Spare that were making the rounds allegedly came from the Spanish edition, some copies of which got released early. The book has a Spanish title (En las Sombras, I believe), so I expect it was translated into Spanish. Thus, the leaked passages would have to be translated back into English.

But the ITV interview has brief passages of Harry reading from his own book, and the one about the fight in the kitchen is word-for-word identical to what was leaked. So the leaks didn't come from the Spanish edition, but rather the English one. You can't tell me that leak wasn't intentional, meant to stir up interest in the book. So Harry bitching about others leaking stories to boost their own reputations is pretty fucking precious.

Anyway, Harry talks about feeling compassion for certain people, but it comes across as hollow because he's so deeply entrenched in his own view of the world, and of the people he claims to love. He is so convinced of the rightness of his view—he's the enlightened one, who has realized the truth—that he doesn't see why he shouldn't air it publicly. He's incredibly, delusionally arrogant when he talks about how he's 100% certain he and his family could be reconciled, but that they have to be willing to listen to him, and be willing to make certain changes (which he will spell out), for that to happen.

The dude has some serious mental health issues, and I don't think any amount of therapy will fix them because after this interview I think Narcissistic Personality Disorder is one of them. I gave him the benefit of doubt for a long time, but this clinched it for me. He and Megs are made for each other.

Oh, and don't make a drinking game out of every time he says, "The British Press" (who are the enemy, and must be brought to heel, in Harry's view); as you will just end up fucking dead.
 
By the way, speaking of leaking things to the press: The excerpts from Spare that were making the rounds allegedly came from the Spanish edition, some copies of which got released early. The book has a Spanish title (En las Sombras, I believe), so I expect it was translated into Spanish. Thus, the leaked passages would have to be translated back into English.

But the ITV interview has brief passages of Harry reading from his own book, and the one about the fight in the kitchen is word-for-word identical to what was leaked. So the leaks didn't come from the Spanish edition, but rather the English one. You can't tell me that leak wasn't intentional, meant to stir up interest in the book. So Harry bitching about others leaking stories to boost their own reputations is pretty fucking precious.
I slightly disagree there. Leaked passages to drum up interest is one thing and I believe some were already. The book releasing early in some counties runs a risk of hitting sales. People quite want the hit of getting all the gossip as early as possible and in the age of the internet I would bet a translated summary of the key stuff was out before the proper sales date. At which point some will just read the spoilers rather than buy a copy themselves.

If so I anticipate a lolsuit directed at their Spanish distributors at some point or another.
 
The town Harry and Meghan live in, Montecito, is under a mandatory evacuation order due to the threat of flooding and mudslides.

I hope Prince William fires up the rescue helicopter for one more mission while Harry and Meghan are busy trying to bum a ride on one of Oprah's private jets.
 
The dude has some serious mental health issues, and I don't think any amount of therapy will fix them because after this interview I think Narcissistic Personality Disorder is one of them. I gave him the benefit of doubt for a long time, but this clinched it for me.
Seems like he inherited a lot from his mother. William probably has issues as well (I mean, on top of the usual issues that come from being more inbred than a west country yokel), but the lifetime of training to be the future king will have kept it mostly under control. Probably. Harry seems to have caught the lion's share of it. The combo of PTSD and macerating his brain with drugs and alcohol won't have helped matters, either.
 
While checking out whether "Harold" ever came up before I stumbled upon a couple of "endearing" stories about the nicknames his mother (allegedly) gave him. One was "my Spencer", the other GKH...

GKH stands for Good King Harry and it was a result of times when young William was expressing his unwillingness to wear the crown one day. Allegedly young Harry used to say on those occasions "if you don't want the job I'll take it".
Also allegedly Diana thought of that as sweet, but was also voicing her opinion he would be the better king with his "personality"...

This not only cemented my belief that she was an airhead, but also got me thinking, that part of the reason for his behaviour is that maybe he really got into his thick head that William will step aside and hand him the job he doesn't want at some point. This did not happen, so he's resentful, hurt, disappointed and angry now, with his wife constantly fanning the flames. Nobody ever accused him of being the sharpest tool in the drawer.
 
maybe he really got into his thick head that William will step aside and hand him the job he doesn't want at some point.
There are layers of psychology here. Diana might, at some level, have resented William for everything he represented: The first son of the man she didn't want to marry; the fact that he did resemble Charles more than her even from an early age. The fact that, being second (at the time) in line to the throne meant he would have come ahead of her wants in the family hierarchy. She obviously doted on Harry and no doubt fed her own feelings of resentment and inferiority into him. Muddle that with the story of Edward VIII's abdication, his own resentment for being the "spare", the usual competitive relationship of the second child to the eldest, and the obvious fact that he's not actually that bright, and you get a perfect opportunity for this narrative to develop in his head.

Then Meghan comes along and exploits it to the hilt, no doubt spinning the story that she can complain to HR and cry racism until the problematic incumbents are shuffled out of the way, putting Harry on the line to the throne. She knows enough of the history of the royals to make Harry think it's possible. It doesn't matter if she knows it won't actually work, she's doing it to secure Harry's loyalty and affection.

I've said it before, and I'll say it again: he should have stayed in the Army. It gave him structure and purpose and kept his wilder tendencies from coming to the fore, and he obviously loved that he was treated like one of the lads. He could have made a decent officer, given time. Not a distinguished one, but the sort that keeps out of the way and gives all the orders his sergeant wants to hear.
 
This not only cemented my belief that she was an airhead, but also got me thinking, that part of the reason for his behaviour is that maybe he really got into his thick head that William will step aside and hand him the job he doesn't want at some point. This did not happen, so he's resentful, hurt, disappointed and angry now, with his wife constantly fanning the flames. Nobody ever accused him of being the sharpest tool in the drawer.
Shades of Elizabeth and Margaret, allegedly, though that might be The Crown’s influence.
The first son of the man she didn't want to marry; the fact that he did resemble Charles more than her even from an early age.
Really? I remember William, especially in his teen years, getting called the spit of his mother especially when he’d do a take on her bashful routine. Maybe it was a superficial resemblance based on hair and eye coloring but it was there:
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Harry was always the odd ginger out. He still favors Phillip and uncle Charles Spencer more than either parents.
 
Is the therapist from California? Because then that's your answer. I'm sure is the type of therapist telling him that all he does is right, that it's everybody's fault, that he should only listen to his wife, and that he's actually a woman trapped in a man's body.
Emphasis added. At first I think, kidding a little bit are we?

But Harry trooning after the couple inevitably stop getting tabloid attention would get them a few more weeks of tabloid attention. Plus much needed intersectionality points. Meghan being volubly OK with it would make her the center of attention more than anything.

I'd still bet against it, but it's in the realm of possibility.
 
Actual quote from the book:

My penis was oscillating between extremely sensitive and borderline traumatized. The last place I wanted to be was Frostnipistan. I’d been trying some home remedies, including one recommended by a friend. She’d urged me to apply Elizabeth Arden cream. My mum used that on her lips. You want me to put that on my todger? It works, Harry. Trust me. I found a tube, and the minute I opened it the smell transported me through time. I felt as if my mother was right there in the room. Then I took a smidge and applied it…down there. “Weird” doesn’t really do the feeling justice.
 
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Why, in God's name, do we need his already incredibly Freudian obsession with his mother applied to an already cringeworthy story like this? Literally nobody ever wanted to hear about Ten Degrees of Kevin Bacon between your dead mom's lips and your frostbite dick.

I'm not sure which is worse, if Harry directed this or if Meghan did.
 
There are layers of psychology here. Diana might, at some level, have resented William for everything he represented: The first son of the man she didn't want to marry;
Except that Diana did want to marry Charles. The marriage rapidly turned out to be a huge disappointment (which was to be expected, frankly; even had Charles not been longing for Camilla, they were an oddly mismatched pair), but she went into it willingly.

I doubt she resented William, but in a way she may have felt that he was not fully hers. As the future King, his father, grandmother (and, I would venture, great-grandmother) had claims on him, and distinct ideas about how he was to be raised that, at times, no doubt overrode Diana's wishes.

I'm sure Harry, as the spare, got some of that, but I doubt it was ever to the degree William did. They grew up under the overwhelming fact that William would one day be King, and Harry would not. That's pretty crazy, when you really think about it, and seriously, who could fault Harry for sometimes thinking that unfair?

So William was Charles's, while Harry was Diana's, and she may have tried (consciously or not) to make up to Harry for the fact that he was "the spare" by indulging him more. By then, her marriage was in the shitter and Charles was openly sleeping around (including with the boys' nanny), so I can see her identifying more closely with Harry, the superfluous prince who would always live in his brother's shadow, who in turn identified more with her.

Cut to 1997, and Diana suddenly dies, and not only is Harry a young boy who has lost his mother, but also his staunchest and most uncritical ally in a system where he's always going to be the extra, the spare.

Narcissists typically stop developing emotionally at about age 14 or 15. Prod them a bit, and that bratty teenager comes to the surface. I think Harry stopped at age 12. Diana died, and that was it. Because even for a Narcissist he comes off as childishly incapable of the kinds of insights I'd expect to see in someone just a couple of years older.

She obviously doted on Harry and no doubt fed her own feelings of resentment and inferiority into him.
Yeah, I'm sure there was a lot of, "Papa and Granny and the newspapers have made Mummy sad, but I can make her feel better." He was her little white knight; her Good King Harry. But he couldn't prevent her dying.

Then Meghan comes along and exploits it to the hilt, no doubt spinning the story that she can complain to HR and cry racism until the problematic incumbents are shuffled out of the way, putting Harry on the line to the throne. She knows enough of the history of the royals to make Harry think it's possible. It doesn't matter if she knows it won't actually work, she's doing it to secure Harry's loyalty and affection.
I'm now convinced that Harry's exploiting Meghan, too. I used to think it was, "poor dumb, emotionally-damaged Harry, seduced by a vile temptress," but that ITV interview—man. That's changed everything.

I think, on some level, he saw her as the exact kind of woman to marry in order to get payback against his family. Her inappropriate behavior, dress, and grooming; her inability to be properly deferential to senior royals or follow protocol; that she was an American actress from a family full of fuckups; her brashness and lack of shame in demanding what she wanted; and yes, even her mixed race all made her the antithesis of what the RF would want in a new member, and, I suspect stoked his attraction to her.

But while Meghan is the bad girl, there to embarrass his family and fuck their shit up, her outsider status, and the ways in which she was challenged by the RF to straighten up her act, take him right back to Mummy. And that's obvious in the way he keeps saying Meghan is so much like his mother, when anybody who remembers watching Diana back in the day can tell you that, other than proclivities for drama and attention-seeking, they are nothing alike.

I've said it before, and I'll say it again: he should have stayed in the Army. It gave him structure and purpose and kept his wilder tendencies from coming to the fore, and he obviously loved that he was treated like one of the lads. He could have made a decent officer, given time. Not a distinguished one, but the sort that keeps out of the way and gives all the orders his sergeant wants to hear.
I absolutely agree with this; I thought so even before he married Meghan.
 
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