Russian Invasion of Ukraine Megathread - Episode III - Revenge of the Ruski (now unlocked with new skins and gameplay modes!!!)

[Pocket Dragoon]

There was a scandal in the mid to late 1990's where a surplus area in like New Mexico was light about 20 M1 Abrams with the old gun. The investigation never went anywhere though.

The tanks themselves? That's one hell of a hand-receipt shortage & statement-of-charges; but I'd bet the investigation never went anywhere because the investigators were told it was beyond their need-to-know, and to desist asking questions unless they wanted to be investigating rat populations on Diego Garcia or counting snowflakes in Adak.

My guess is if it was the tanks themselves, they probably got sent for T&E someplace that didn't want neighbors to know they had any M1s: S. Korea & Japan -> Norks & China; Jordan & S. Arabia -> Israel & Iran; Poland & Estonia -> Russia, etc.

Or possibly expended as targets for experimental systems that we didn't want anyone to know was being tested against tanks with M1-tier protection.

At least to me, it would make sense to build AT weapons that can defeat at least the current generation of our own tank, especially if it's anything we've been proliferating to certain "allies" like the Saudis; and not just against Russian or Chinese tanks.

 

[prolapsed_cranium]

Tactical retreat to stretch the Russian supply lines which will make the upcoming Leopard blitz all the more effective.

They'll ride to victory on the 3,000 generators

 

[Ghostse]

I think in this context the way I'd use it is kind of like a QRF vehicle but not in the traditional sense. For instance, if Russia were to launch an offensive, instead of directly confronting said offensive, I'd use it to slip behind the offensive and target support elements.

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I don't really see anyway they could directly take on most of the newer Russian vehicles like you said which means they should mostly try to kill soft targets. Not sure something like this would be viable for Ukraine though since it seems like most of their forces are conscripts now and this would require a fuck ton of coordination.

The bushmaster is a hell of a gun. It would be able to take on/take out BMPs with the gun or TOWs. But its not going to go against any tanks, not even the T-62* without a ton of luck. I can't rememebr what the TOW will bullseye, but it should at least mobility kill any T-72 that isn't on the latest upgrades.

The way you're supposed to use them is the bradley drops troops to support the armor, and either trades shots with the soviet IFV or moves to work with the Abrams. The Bradley spots and then bugs out so that the enemy is made to deal with big MBT instead picking on an IFV. Ukraine doesn't have that much heavy armor for it to spot for.

The tracks will give it an advantage in the spring mud, but that will be offset somewhat by the heavier weight. that's not a lot of time to train crews.

Bradley won't change the war bigly.

Major issue with the tactic you're suggesting is the bradleys have to cross the enemy line, and Russian armor is usually marshalled in the rear. If you could get them into a supply depo and no tank support present, they'd rain incredible amounts of hurt.

IANAG, but I'd use them for peek-and-poke to keep the Russians on their toes and moving forces while I hope for Abrams or another MBT to show up so it can be used as intended. I knew a Bradley gunner who did both Iraqs said they mostly just shot up bunkers. They were so far away the Iraqis wouldn't react to their presence until the rounds start exploding around them.

 

[AgendaPoster]

He could be a hypochondriac. He's paranoid about every other fucker by the looks of things, could be perfectly healthy otherwise but doesn't want to chance it. A little niggle and he believes it's super cancer, needs treatment. That's my guess anyway, if it was a real condition we would of see other symptoms, we just see journalists wet dreams instead.

Despite all the speculation, there hasn't been good, consistent evidence of him being ill. Yet he was meant to be dying a year ago - this wa always wishful thinking. Yet, the hypochondriac theory makes sense given e already this nigga paranoid and there is some evidence from time to time that he's getting medical help, despite appearing healthy for his age.

The water retention is the symptom, the question is, which illness is the cause, or which drug, which is likely administered for some illness. There were also some clips with shaking, so there was speculation of Parkinson.
Just to make very clear, I never implied he's about to die, or that he's gravely ill, or anything of the sort. I am simply making an observation that anyone that has dealt with patients on the nephrology ward can see with ease. If his face looks like that, so puffy, you should see his legs. Or better not.
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This clip below is stellar. Many of their important media personalities have been saying the quiet part loud lately. Here you get a complete lesson on how propaganda works, how you're supposed to deal with people you consider your enemies (always stay on the attack, ignore all attempts at discussion and debate/use heavy irony, keep attacking target instead), tactics you might be familiar with from that other circlejerk thread.
Not only that, but we get an admission of what's at stake, reestablishing a new Iron Curtain essentially where nothing gets done unless Moscow approves. And an admission that they fear regime change, which IMO is exactly the thing that has to be pursued, as it's the path with the least blood spilling and most advantageous for Russians and Ukrainians.
It's so surreal we're back in the imperial powers clash/cold war era, but one must live in reality whatever that might be.

 

[Astro Galactic Megalul]

The clip regarding claims of destroyed Bradleys by Russian MoD might apparently be from September of 2022, which only makes it more bizarre
I suspected something like that might be a thing when all I could immediately find is the short clip itself but not the whole thing. It is genuine, but I'm not sure see who started circulating it again now and why. We already know that they're full of shit so that's not exactly news.

 

[Napoleon Bonerfart]

They'll ride to victory on the 3,000 generators

Total generator imports, in Ukraine, since February 2022, exceed a half million.

 

[Snekposter]

It's so surreal we're back in the imperial powers clash/cold war era

This is probably the biggest reason I support aid to Ukraine. Sorry to all the Ukrainians in this thread, but I honestly care less about your country specifically (that is to say I think its an Eastern European craphole filled with marginally less terrible Slavs who are somehow still much better than the Russian invaders raping and pillaging across your country) than I do about Putin using it as a stepping stone to plunge the world into Cold War 2.0, which will have consequences far, far beyond you losing your sovereignty.

But hey, that's at least better than what anyone in England or France thought of the Czechs in the 1930's, so progress!

 

[Feline Supremacist]

A column of one of the units of the Russian Armed Forces, including those with T-90M "Breakthrough" tanks with additional dynamic protection.

This has to be the biggest proving ground for the USA and Russia ever.

 

[White_N]

Everyone has heard about the ghosts of Kiev, but have you heard about the angel of Kiev?

 

[Snekposter]

I can't rememebr what the TOW will bullseye

Depends on the TOW model, but the latest TOW-2B versions are set up for top-attack where they fly over the top of the tank and then a vertically-mounted EFP goes off, preferably into the top of the turret. On account of this being an EFP the survival of anything short of a Merkava and its bunker-like armor scheme necessary for urban combat is highly dubious, and even for Merkava I'd say its iffy. The next-newest TOW-2A uses a tandem charge. According to Wikipedia the main charge on TOW-2/2A will punch through 900mm of RHA equivalent, so the odds aren't good even for a recent T-72.

Major issue with the tactic you're suggesting is the bradleys have to cross the enemy line, and Russian armor is usually marshalled in the rear. If you could get them into a supply depo and no tank support present, they'd rain incredible amounts of hurt.

The issue I have with your statements is that the Bradley was explicitly designed as a deep raiding vehicle in line with American reconnaissance doctrine of telling commanders where enemy elements used to be. The M3 cavalry variant (aka the specialized recon model) is even issued a dedicated ATGM team as a dismount and some spare missiles in the back (TOW in the past, but now its Javelin) in lieu of a full infantry squad to aid in ambushes or attacks on unsuspecting armor... such as tanks in the rear with minimal infantry support and the crews sitting around drinking tea and vodka until they get called up and sent to the front.

Note that the M2 version still has dedicated space for missile reloads both for it and any weapons the infantry are issued, just not as much as the M3 version.

And before you ask, yes, that dates back to WW2 where the M20 Utility Cars assigned to tank destroyer battalions as motorized recon came with bazookas for their crews.

 

[Glowie]

Did this nigger just find out that just like Israel, Norway, and Switzerland, Russia also has mandatory military service at 18? Only difference is that Russia is increasing their minimum recruitment age from 18 to 21 in the near future.

Poor vatnik cherry picks as per usual, I guess larping as a Russian comes with that territory, tell me ruskieboo remind me how old are people in literal children from elementary to middle and first years of high school? Children are being drafted by youth party.

Not to mention trainees who still yet have to see a single hour of combat are shipped from Moscow and surrounding Oblasts, recruitment letters are sent, contracts are forced under pretense of mandatory military service.

In case you ever looked much less were in Russian military the training is lackluster when compared western counterparts who do not college age kids to active war zones against people with NATO backed training and active military servicemen from 2014. Baltic countries for example keep their reserves in reserves unlike Russia who drafted 350,000 men last year and aim to double that number this year. These conscripts have only basic training, not years that is required to be in tank core, paratroopers and pioneers to name few.

Since you are a vatnik I'll let you on little secret Russian conscripts have to pay for their own equipment and two months isn't nearly enough to familiarize use of anything else outside basic firearm and outdated automatic weaponry most of which are unmaintained or dug up from cold war era stockpiles suffering from rust, obvious lack of maintenance and poor storage. 20 odd years of neglect in weather struck depos do a thing or two weapons and ammo as well.

It doesn't help that even current military stockpiles are poor quality either caused by neglect, corruption or both.
For example instead of using military grade tires on army supply trucks russian commissioners bought Chinese tires for trucks, rocket platform and others.
To top it off russian military left rubbed wheeled vehicles out in open during summer and winter resulting in sun rot and causing massive amounts of equipment to break down inside enemy territory for example.

Another example of Russian ineptitude was and is poor intelligence and leadership.
More Russian commanders died war in Ukraine than in entirety of World War 2 mounting to 56+ top brass dying in the field.

Hell vaunted Russian first tank company that was sent to Ukraine was devastated, forcing them to abandon their tanks and flee back to Russia. This tank core was supposed to counter NATOs very best, but handful of HIMARs and soldiers with single use javelin systems took out these supposed elites and these were "best of the best"

Since you haven't seen a single day in military action in your life you stick with propaganda and trust there are enough of untrained retards who buy your shit. For example

Just a reminder, Surovikin is still the current Commander of the Aerospace Forces and is serving as Gerasimov's deputy. His task was to break Ukrainian infrastructure and morale, and that task has been accomplished. Air strikes are not going to end, of course, but we can expect to see some other big moves coming soon.

Having the right man for the right role at the right time is far more valuable than the optics of it. No time for optics, got a war to win.

It took 30 days for Wagner group to take 3 miles of territory. Meaning it would take 10+ years to invade Ukraine controlled oblast. Wagner group are strictly infantry and and armor based infantry. They do not have air forces, advanced drone technology or smart weaponry. Their casualty rate rate combined with snail's pace progress is embarrassing to say the least, capturing insignificant targets and hailing them as great victories is very definition of optics. Hell "Putin's chef" went into salt mines for a photoshoot for optics with his GoPro
I don't know about your definition of efficiency and success. Wagner group was sitting thumbs up their ass for 4 months losing ground and men by the mile, supposed errand boys of Iran and Saudis who suffered major casualties in this "special operations", lack of munitions and manpower.

Anyone who is capable of basic research and has military background can call out your bullshit. Others have been either been too polite or indifferent to look into your claims like @Ghostse for example who know exactly what you lot are.

Russia does not have allies, much economy to slog through their Afghanistan 2.0 electronic Boogaloo. When USSR did that in 1990 it resulted in collapse of soviet union.

To be blunt you're either deluded, desperate vatnik cheerleader or both. Anything for internet points am I right?

 

[prolapsed_cranium]

Total generator imports, in Ukraine, since February 2022, exceed a half million.

Ok the 3,000 transformers or whatever the fuck they were crooning about recently

 

[Feline Supremacist]

post consists of vatnik and "Russia bad!" x100

Cool story bro. Here are your brave Ukrainian defenders of the Saloreich:

"Fuck, fuck, faster!" - a panicked Ukronazi in a vehicle urges the driver to GTFO after a close call. Fresh Ukrainian meat stoked to kill some ruZZians, sent to the Eastern Front. They apparently changed their minds about meeting any ruZZians after being greeted by a Russian shell.

Also, I think you are confused. Most of us are Americans, even the native speakers of Orcish are almost all Russian-Americans. Americans simply don't care to the extent it affects us, and it does. So again, I pray Russia glasses Ukraine and its greedy kikes ASAP.

 

[Ghostse]

The issue I have with your statements is that the Bradley was explicitly designed as a deep raiding vehicle in line with American reconnaissance doctrine of telling commanders where enemy elements used to be. The M3 cavalry variant (aka the specialized recon model) is even issued a dedicated ATGM team as a dismount and some spare missiles in the back (TOW in the past, but now its Javelin) in lieu of a full infantry squad to aid in ambushes or attacks on unsuspecting armor... such as tanks in the rear with minimal infantry support and the crews sitting around drinking tea and vodka until they get called up and sent to the front.

You are not wrong, but the problem is in the listed tactic is Ukaine has very small ammounts of anything that could be called a modern MBT. The problem with the tactic is getting the bradley's across the line unnoticed and undamaged, and then get back across after kicking the hornet's nest. Bradleys without support will have a very bad time if they are mixing up with armor. You should deploy with something that immediately gets the enemy to forget all about the little IFV and swivel to the bigger threat, and the Abrams did that magnificently, and that armored fist could also be the ram that gets you through the lines and back out.

Now, send over a battalion of Abrams or if the Germans ever live up to their world and deliver Leopards, now we've got an extremely viable strategy. I would imagine it'd be damn near crippling if executed correctly because I bet Russia would lose several companies before they learned "don't chase the rabbit".

I guess its really just wait and see. I have faith in the bradley, but less faith in a bradley with no complementary heavy armor, and very little faith in Ukrainian commanders understanding what they have, much less how to use it.

 

[Foltest]

lmao the Bradley, a thing that was obsolete in Desert Storm

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All I can say is "My condolences".

You are serious calling Bradly obsolete at the time of Desert Storm, aka the conflict it got its baptism of fire in?
If so, then it will do great in the war as Russia is sending in their old shit from the damn 70s with their t62 and so.
I also love the slidshow you put up there, which says nothing apart from the M2 not being invincble "gasp". You can do it with all military vehicle.

oh look, the t72 blow up after it got taken out by an Anti Tank missiles, that means it is worthless!

 

[Feline Supremacist]

You are serious calling Bradly obsolete at the time of Desert Storm, aka the conflict it got its baptism of fire in?
If so, then it will do great in the war as Russia is sending in their old shit from the damn 70s with their t62 and so.
I also love the slidshow you put up there, which says nothing apart from the M2 not being invincble "gasp". You can do it with all military vehicle.

oh look, the t72 blow up after it got taken out by an Anti Tank missiles, that means it is worthless!

Nigga Russia is rolling out T90s but a Russian T72 or even a T64 is better than a Bradley, in an environment and terrain it's unsuited for, not to mention its role, because it is not a tank.

Ukraine has, or had, a decent number of their own T-64s but I suspect they aren't in great shape, given the factory where they could be repaired/fitted is rubble. The Leopards they're getting from Poland are better but again, those are no Wunderwaffe.

 

[The Grognard]

You are not wrong, but the problem is in the listed tactic is Ukaine has very small ammounts of anything that could be called a modern MBT. The problem with the tactic is getting the bradley's across the line unnoticed and undamaged, and then get back across after kicking the hornet's nest. Bradleys without support will have a very bad time if they are mixing up with armor. You should deploy with something that immediately gets the enemy to forget all about the little IFV and swivel to the bigger threat, and the Abrams did that magnificently, and that armored fist could also be the ram that gets you through the lines and back out.

Now, send over a battalion of Abrams or if the Germans ever live up to their world and deliver Leopards, now we've got an extremely viable strategy. I would imagine it'd be damn near crippling if executed correctly because I bet Russia would lose several companies before they learned "don't chase the rabbit".

I guess its really just wait and see. I have faith in the bradley, but less faith in a bradley with no complementary heavy armor, and very little faith in Ukrainian commanders understanding what they have, much less how to use it.

I'm gonna be doubtful on the Abrams being much of a game changer either, due to the prevalence of modern ATGMs and RPGs that are capable of defeating it's armor in the area and being quite the thirsty vehicle. The main things it's got going on is that it's got modern thermals which are really nice to have in a conflict like this and the crew's likely to survive the ammo racks detonating if they drive into a mine or get their shit fucked by a Kornet. The only way it would genuinely change the tide is if's sent in the several hundreds.

 

[Foltest]

Nigga Russia is rolling out T90s but a Russian T72 or even a T64 is better than a Bradley, in an environment and terrain it's unsuited for, not to mention its role, because it is not a tank.

Ukraine has, or had, a decent number of their own T-64s but I suspect they aren't in great shape, given the factory where they could be repaired/fitted is rubble. The Leopards they're getting from Poland are better but again, those are no Wunderwaffe.

You stupid fuck, Of course it would not be able to fight the same way as an tank.
You want to know why....
It is an IFV, not a tank. Are you this dishonest or just a fucking moron to think that the Bradley = tank?
Anyone who say that the Bradley is a wunderwaffen ( which only vatnik does) is a fucking moron.

 

[Kreitani]

What is the tactical advantage of having your soldiers freeze to death on Ukrainian soil?

 

[Feline Supremacist]

You stupid fuck, Of course it would not be able to fight the same way as an tank.
You want to know why....
It is an IFV, not a tank. Are you this dishonest or just a fucking moron to think that the Bradley = tank?
Anyone who say that the Bradley is a wunderwaffen ( which only vatnik does) is a fucking moron.

I know its frowned upon to berate the mentally disabled, but:

• a Bradley
• In an environment and terrain it's unsuited for
• Not to mention the role it was designed for
• On the steppes/town, under artillery and constant shelling, exactly what benefit does this Infantry Fighting Vehicle bring to the table?
• Answer: not much.

Ukraine understands this (while you do not) and are lobbying for Abrams tanks, which, while better than Bradleys, are also unsuitable for this type of warfare. You see, all these were conceived to roll over the Fulda Gap to meet the USSR in a WW3 scenario in the 1980s, not to fight the Russian Federation in the Ukraine over salo rights, in the 21st century, because sane and normal people understood starting a war with a nuclear power (with the most nukes, mind you) was stupid, so no one was ever tasked with designing any tanks/vehicles/artillery for such an unthinkable event.

But here we are.