Russian Invasion of Ukraine Megathread - Episode III - Revenge of the Ruski (now unlocked with new skins and gameplay modes!!!)

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He geolocated their positions and then wonders why they're pissed off at him? Huh. Twitter makes people really stupid.
 
I thought it might be interesting to summarise another Deki stream he did for Orthodox New Year. Except for getting a few things wrong (like for example the r*dditors obviously not being executed for which he took the L), he did in my opinion seem to have a pretty decent track record so far. I thought this stream was interesting in particular because the things he mostly talked about would explain a lot what happened in the past few months. Some interesting key points:
  • The reason the recent Russian offensive is so quick in Soledar is because the fighting has been done pretty much exclusively by Wagner PMC. One of the reasons why Wagner is much more effective than the regular Russian military is that 1) they have their own equipment and even artillery and 2) they don’t have to deal with the bureaucratic red tape that is constantly fucking the Russians in the ass and not even in the Greek way. Disregarding some of the convicts they employ, the quality control for new recruits is much more stringent at Wagner PMC than the regular Russian Armed Forces and thus the quality of training much better and the payment much bigger. Statecucks take another L. Also, one of the reasons for why Soledar fell is that allegedly the American (and maybe some br*tish) mercs have abandoned the Ukrainians before the Russians took 1/3rd of the city.
  • The defence of Soledar was mostly done by Ukrainian troops from Zhytomyr(?), including Ukrainian special forces who underwent training in the UK, France and Germany (and possibly other western countries). Said special forces were special indeed, but rather in the handicapped way as they ultimately got their shit pushed in mostly by armed convicts from Chelyabinsk that were tard wrangled by Wagner. Fucking omegalul if true.
  • The fall of Soledar has caused a panic among both the Ukrainian army and local civilians who have begun abandoning some settlements and thus opened roads to Kramatorsk, Slovyansk and Artyomovsk Bakhmut. The Russians also increased the bombardment of the surrounding regions.
  • In regards to the strike in Makeyevka Makiivka that killed a bunch of Russians (official Russian numbers are 89 KIA, but Deki is convinced the number is higher), the official Russian story how a soldier accidentally doxed everyone through his cell phone is only partly true. According to Deki the main reason was that the officers in charge of the base didn’t appropriately conceal their troop movements and the presence of the Russian troops was as subtle to the Ukrainians (and the glowies) as an open air a rock concert. It’s a case of Russian officers trying to shift the blame downwards.
  • What is happening in Belarus: The Russians, surprisingly, don’t plan on attacking Ukraine from Belarus again but instead try to tie down as many Ukrainian troops as possible at the Belorussian border through a threat of a possible invasion. The Ukrainians are mining their northern border to the point that the border between Belarus and Ukraine will probably become an even bigger minefield than the one between North and South Korea in the near future.
  • An interesting historical trivia: In 2016-ish some Croat military attaches were advising the Ukrainians and helping them to prepare their own version of Operation Storm. Some wounded Azov faggots were even treated in Croatian hospitals. When Russia invaded, the Ukrainians were convinced that Croatia would be one of their staunchest supporters when in reality Croatian support for Ukraine has been very modest at best compared to the other NATO members. To the Ukrainians it was a major disappointment, whereas the Russians see it as a pleasant surprise. The Russians are also aware that meanwhile Serbia talks a big game how much they love Russia, but have done nothing diplomatically to support them like Belarus and Syria did.
  • In regards to the confusion around Gerasimov and Surovikin: Gerasimov himself has never been demoted. The Russians initially put commanders in charge more or less like you would in a videogame by clicking autoselect, hoping for the best and then went on restructure the military leadership as the situation developed mostly through trial and error. This is how some Russian commanders ended up being dismissed, in prison or (((killed by the Ukrainians))). Deki’s schizo theory is that Surovikin’s role was to make the difficult decisions like serving as the fall guy for abandoning Kherson (which the Russians were aware it was untenable in the long run). However, the fact that Surovikin actually knows how to do his job (pulled troops out of Kherson with next to no casualties, consolidated the front lines, understands basic bitch logistics and waged a successful bombing campaign) saved him from being disgraced or disappeared. Deki interprets Gerasimov’s appointment as the Kremlin being aware that there is no more room for mistakes. Maybe the Russian leadership considers Gerasimov more or less as their Lü Bu? Personally, it would not surprise me if the Russian military leadership was as prone to backstabbing and internal gay ops almost on par with Internet forum j*nnies and d*scord servers.
  • Deki also confirmed the theory that the Russians used an "accordion tactic" that was mentioned many pages ago. Basically the Russians would occupy a city, fortify themselves there, kill a bunch of Ukrainian counter-attackers as if it were a Takeshi's Castle episode from Hell and then abandon the place almost without a fight because they realised their logistics are complete and utter shit. As above mentioned, it was Surovikin who switched from this shitshow to consolidating the front lines and letting drones and the artillery do most of the fighting.
  • There are currently no plans to (re)take Kherson and Kharkov Kharkiv anytime soon.
  • A lot of the western equipment the Ukrainians are receiving is faulty and of questionable quality. The boys from Wagner PMC had enemy encounters with Leopard tank in Syria. They were not impressed by it. Speaking of systems, while western weapons mostly don’t live up to their hype, Deki insist that of all the weapons the most effective one during this entire war has been the “PTUR” anti-tank missile that is natively produced by both Russia and Ukraine. It’s cheap, easily transportable and unlike the Javelin it actually destroys its target with one hit. The Russians are also getting more up to date in the thermal vision department.
  • Ukrainian junior officers are given much more freedom in their decision-making than their Russian counterparts who have to ask Moscow for almost literally everything. Deki said that the Ukrainians have from the very beginning treated this war with the seriousness it deserves whereas the Russian leadership saw it as a mere SpedOp. “Special Military Operation” isn’t a Russian euphemism, but a serious Russian miscalculation. However, it seems that it has allegedly finally dawned upon the Kremlin that this is a no shit war where possibly even Russia’s survival is at stake. Whether the Russian leadership has come back to Earth and unfucked itself and if they will turn this war now into their favour, we will see one way or the other.
  • Ukrainian propaganda claims that the Russian casualties are so bad that they will potentially resort to getting troops from North Korea. Meanwhile less than half of the 300K mobilised troops have been deployed. Deki even once went on record praising the effectiveness of Ukrainian propaganda for convincing both their own people and gullible westoids into how the situation isn't nearly as dire as it actually is, how Russia is totally running out of X this time for realsies, how the Russians are all but defeated this time etc.
  • According to Deki the Russians have taken around 12K Ukrainian POWs while around 600-700 Russians are guesstimated to be in their custody. Rumour mill has it that the Ukrainians are attempting to exchange their guys for all the Russian Orthodox clerics and their families they arrested.
  • Deki will in the near future attempt to have an interview with Prigozhin.
  • What is the local population’s sentiment towards the Russians? Strongly depends on which part of the former Ukrainian territories they come from. The people from the Donbass have always been staunchly on Russia’s side and, as Deki said a few months ago, felt a great sense of relief when Russia invaded. Naturally the people of the more recently occupied territories aren’t too fond of them to the point of conducting sporadic partisan activities. On a caller’s question on how in case of a victory Russia intends to win the Ukrainians over after the war, Deki said “the same as they did the Chechens”. Which I assume means installing a powerful local pro-Russian warlord as their janny and pumping gorillions of Rubles into former Ukrainian oblasts at the expense of Russian ones.
  • While some Russian propaganda emphasises how Ukrainians and Russians are the same people, Deki and the people of Donbass staunchly disagree based on what they have seen since 2014. Deki thinks Ukrainians are the kind of people who are all too eager to sell out their friends neighbours for personal gain. After everything I’ve seen and from what I’ve learned, I personally can with the utmost confidence conclude that Ukrainians are in every sense of the word Discount/Bargain Bin/Palette Swap Russians. All the same to me. Some of our Russian and especially Ukrainian posters may disagree with my conclusion (read: observable reality), but I’m currently missing the part where that’s my problem.
  • Somewhat related to the above, in an earlier stream Deki claimed that all the civilians the Ukrainians harassed and even killed in Kherson aren’t pro-Russian civilians (since pretty much all of them left with the military), but innocent randos accused of being collaborators by their neighbours who went fully HappyMerchant.jpeg coveting their apartments or houses. Given that this kind of shit is exactly what happened during the Yugo wars, I find that all too believable.
  • In regards to the Nazi-LARP battalions: One of the reasons you’re hearing less about them is because they have been almost completely wiped out or severely reduced in numbers to the point of complete and utter irrelevance. Their absence is according to Deki interestingly enough a boon to the regular Ukrainian army. Long story short, it is more or less like the 4chan memes, but instead of Redditors, it’s actually Azov and Aidar who constantly keep fucking things up of the regular Ukrainian military. I guess not having to tard wrangle a bunch of horrorcows and proven cowards whose only accomplishment lies in killing civilians and POWs, but use their fellow Ukrainians as hostages and meat shields, hide and piss themselves in bunkers and literally cry to Israel for help the nanosecond someone actually puts up a fight (but take all the credit for the actual fighting done by the regular military), seems to indeed improve your overall performance. The average Ukrainian gopnik who lost a friend or loved one to the Russians has naturally a much bigger incentive to actually fight than a bunch of terminal spergs LARPing as the Waffen SS, which is more than often seen in their overall performance.
That'd be it for now. I'll do another one in the future if there's still any interest.
 
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I still have no idea what Putins endgame is.

It was to make Ukraine part of the Russian Federation, but now it’s just to score whatever PR win prevents Vladimir Putin from getting dragged out in public and hung. The goal post will change based on whatever opportunity comes along.
 
makes no sense.
if the two armies were at the same level of (in)competence then the one that massively outnumbers and outguns the other (as russia did ukraine in february 22) would have won an overwhelming and decisive victory, which is what pretty much everybody (including russia, and america, and europe) was expecting to happen.

but since that did not happen, the conclusion is that the ukrainian army must be of significantly higher quality than the russian one.
Because there's more factors than training/competence on the strategic scale. When it comes to the actual employment of equipment, I'm sorry. They're just as bad. That's why it's funny when the armchair HOI4 generals here say "Oh, they could use those new vehicles to do this maneuver" or some shit. They won't. They'll use them in front line combat and get destroyed because as said before, it might as well be a pickup truck with a rifle on top.

Slavs have a very "fuck it, YOLO" mindset.
 
Deki is a bullshit artist trying to make himself a Serbian Joko Willinks. He's been trying to start up media tours for a couple of years now, and mostly failing, he even went as far as doing 2 hour interview with an english speaking youtube channel (Task&Purpose). All the shit he says he would either have no way of knowing (unless for whatever reason everyone in the Russian MoD keeps dropping hot intel on this guys lap) or things that have already been confirmed by others.

I mean realistically, just following his own narrative here, he was a DPR sniper who retired some 3 months into the war due to some medical issue. What would he know?
 
Looks like anothe unsustainable massive russian missile barrage was deployed against the ukranians.
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Sadly for the putinists almost 70% of the russian missiles were destroyed by the Transformer and Generator division of the UAF. More Freedom Blackouts© will be deployed to celebrate the occasion all over Ukraine.
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If only Ukraine was able to spare some $40 on ammo they could have destroyed all the russian missiles with the help of "The Mountain" and "The Boss", Ukraine's top 2 million dollar cruise missile destroyers
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you still siege them, AFTER you cut them off... both modern strategies that worked are based on the ideas of creating pockets.


im pretty sure thats why its used in schools, Latin is hard and useles enough by itself, so why make it harder?


that chink poet was never in date, chinks are even worse than slavs when it comes to war...


Everyone has based military strategy on that book, because its fantastic in reinforcing the most importants parts. Organisation, Training, Logistics, Initiative,
It even has a basic idea of independent command.

Its a very useful book and well you read it in school anyway.



yeah they use failed ww1 tactics. this kind of long, expensive war only works if you can make commies rise up in the enemies heartland.
"Just create pockets"

Its not HOI4
 
Given that the Southern border of the United States is currently seeing record numbers of Russians trying to illegally cross into the US to seek asylum, probably not well.
Technically you are correct; Russians need to seek asylum through Alaska. There are laws on the books about this.
 
>Seven adderall fueled giant paragraphs about how the latest Russian offensive is an exercise in getting people killed for the cameras with no strategic advantage

>Vatniggers cant name one reason why Soledar is important!

Taking Soledar allows Russia to take control of the T0513 Bakhmut-Siversk highway, one of the two major logistical lines supplying the AFU in Bakhmut.

>Logistics? *Rates dumb*

some of these ukraine simps are really not even pretending to try to be consistent and make sense
 
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Wagner is much more effective than the regular Russian military is that 1) they have their own equipment and even artillery

I'd just like to say that calling it "their own" is a bit rich, equipment is handed to them by the Russian military, and the whole thing is funded by Putin's regime. Wagner PMC is about as private as Gazprom, it was created so that Kremlin could conduct military operations whilst having plausible deniability.
It's effectively Russian military in everything but name that was given carte blanche, because it's run by Putin's favorite fuckboi on his behalf.

As for their supposed effectiveness, gotta keep in mind that their members are even more expendable than regular Russian troops. They're conscripting fodder from Russian prisons even now, and these people have no rights to speak of, and anyone who gets out of line receives a bullet, or sledgehammer to the head to make an example for the rest.
Thus they can afford to zerg rush and significant losses it causes while chipping away at Ukrainian positions, since no one is going to hold them responsible for some rapists and murderers who should be rotting in prison.

For regular Russian soldiers there's a higher standard, there are people waiting for them at home, and public is keeping an eye on them while Wagner's activity is more clandestine in nature with its overall status being questionable to say the least. In short, there's concern for optics that doesn't apply to Wagner.
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The next generation of Banderites.
Do you find this morally reprehensible? Even in the context with everything that's going on? That's amusing.
You constantly show disregard for the lives of Ukrainians, calling them subhuman, excusing Russia's crimes against them, treating all this as a spectator sport, yet somehow get your panties in a twist over something like this. Ukrainians wishing death on those who brought suffering and ruin to their homes? How outrageous indeed.
>Logistics? *Rates dumb*
Every piece of land you control is potentially useful for logistics, but to what extent is the question. Ukraine will keep fighting as long as Kiev stands and they have international support, it's a simple fact. Russia could take the entire Donbas, which they supposedly determined is their goal now, but that wouldn't make Ukraine magically stop from trying to regain their territory or just making what they took unusable. War will continue, Russia would have to contend with it - that's not a win, because prolonged war was never in the plans to begin with.
War is expensive, people who thinks Russia doesn't feel it and that it won't have long lasting consequences are out of their minds.
I just read a lot and watch videos to see what is going on in the war, but if the town wasn't important, why wouldn't the Ukrainians just pull out and abandon it? Why send so many of their men into the meat grinder to die or get maimed for something that wasn't important?
One reason is if you have a good defensive position that enemy is trying to get, it's beneficial to make use of it and deplete advancing forces, inflicting as many losses as possible as they're trying to take it.
There's literally no reason to just cede ground when your enemy is perfectly willing to die for it. You make them die for as long as you can, if it becomes too much to handle, you retreat and do it again in some other place.
Yeah, defenders suffer losses too, but it's a known fact that it takes numerically superior forces to overwhelm dug in enemy, so generally speaking attacker suffers far more. Considering Russia's disregard for human life, it's a given here.
It's war, it's brutal, sometimes all you have is shitty options.

It's a war of attrition, if you haven't figured it out.
 
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Do you find this morally reprehensible? Even in the context? That's amusing.
Not at all; in fact, this is a fantastic example of great parenting. Everyone talks of love but forgets that hate is just as, if not more, important for child development. Teaching a child to hate, and instilling in them the desire to kill, with their bare hands, is the greatest thing a mother can teach her children. Every child should learn to hate and despise anyone they disagree with as soon as they learn to walk. It's healthy and necessary for them in order to become fully functioning members of society. I'm a mother, and I should know, and I am happy we finally found common ground.
 
Every piece of land you control is potentially useful for logistics, but to what extent is the question. Ukraine will keep fighting as long as Kiev stands and they have international support, it's a simple fact. Russia could take the entire Donbas, which they supposedly determined is their goal now, but that wouldn't make Ukraine magically stop from trying to regain their territory or just making what they took unusable.

I think my point was missed. @mindlessobserver wrote a literal book about how nothing occuring in the last month matters at all, and challenged anyone else to provide any reason why this wasnt just Putin throwing bodies into a woodchipper. Then, when told that Soledar is a control point for one of two main logistical routes, rates that idea dumb without proffering any argument, which I think is a pretty fitting microcosm of the way that team NATO has had its fingers in its ears for going on 11 months 9 years now.
 
Not at all; in fact, this is a fantastic example of great parenting. Everyone talks of love but forgets that hate is just as, if not more, important for child development. Teaching a child to hate, and instilling in them the desire to kill, with their bare hands, is the greatest thing a mother can teach her children. Every child should learn to hate and despise anyone they disagree with as soon as they learn to walk. It's healthy and necessary for them in order to become fully functioning members of society. I'm a mother, and I should know, and I am happy we finally found common ground.
I'm pretty sure this child is too young to even be able to read what's on that mug.
They're all now learning from experience, everyone who has to live without heat and electricity, everyone who lost their homes, parents, siblings or other relatives and friends, they learn from air-raid sirens and explosions, they learn from reality they find themselves living in. And I'm sure they know whom to thank for it.

I'd say I feel sorry for your children, but frankly, I don't give a fuck.
I think my point was missed. @mindlessobserver wrote a literal book about how nothing occuring in the last month matters at all, and challenged anyone else to provide any reason why this wasnt just Putin throwing bodies into a woodchipper. Then, when told that Soledar is a control point for one of two main logistical routes, rates that idea dumb without proffering any argument, which I think is a pretty fitting microcosm of the way that team NATO has had its fingers in its ears for going on 11 months 9 years now.
Funny how being against Russia's actions is automatically "team NATO". What the fuck does that even supposed to mean?
Everything matters, but to which degree is up to debate in any given case. It's not a videogame where acquiring X automatically means you'll get Y, it could go both ways.
Considering the overall trend and the fact that we're almost a year into 3 days to Kiev, I'd say this is far from a win that Russia needs. It's good for propaganda purposes at the very least, they were desperate for that. But as far as making Ukraine submit to Russian demands, without which they can't have what they want, it won't make a dent.
 
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So pissed that the west is still dragging their feet, they have the oppourtunity to demilitarize Russia entirely at a fraction of the cost it would take in a convential manner

It could easily increase production and send hundreds of tanks, combat vehicles, fixed wing and helicopter aircrafts. It takes time to teach Ukrainians to use these systems, so why not start now? Its cuck-energy at an incredible level

Use 1/5 of your modern reserve and Russia will be defeated and demilitarized for decades to come.
 
I think my point was missed. @mindlessobserver wrote a literal book about how nothing occuring in the last month matters at all, and challenged anyone else to provide any reason why this wasnt just Putin throwing bodies into a woodchipper. Then, when told that Soledar is a control point for one of two main logistical routes, rates that idea dumb without proffering any argument, which I think is a pretty fitting microcosm of the way that team NATO has had its fingers in its ears for going on 11 months 9 years now.
Because soledar is not a control point. I've explained this countless times. It was in the way of the path TOO a control point. Blahodatne. The problem is, and let me explain AGAIN, that control point can only be reached by charging across 2 Kilometers of open fields and then crossing a river. All within open and clear line of sight of entrenched machine guns, mortars and javelin missiles.

I suppose in theory the Russians could turn south and not cross the river and hit Bakhmut from the Northeast, but they didn't need to take Soledar to do that. This reeks of Prigozhin needing a quick win somewhere because he's getting shit on for Bakhmut still being 2 weeks away from falling 5 months later.
 
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