Inactive Chelsea Lawrence / TanzChelsea - Munchie kicked out of two hospitals, home care and multiple treatment teams; Flagged and blacklisted by EPIC; Munched Herself to Death

[WhineMeDineMe69Me]

has anyone here ever tried ketamine, either recreationally or in a hospital setting? I know a lot of people who take it occasionally for fun (they even sell it in pharmacies in mexico- or at least thats what its labeled, god knows). Even the thought of having a bad trip, falling into a k-hole, or even having the desired dissociative effect sounds horrifying to me, so I'm curious about how others have experienced it.

Spoiler: powerlevely ketamine story time

I did it by accident once, and it was awful and I would never touch it again after that. It made me extremely nauseous (I had also been drinking, so that probably didn't help) and I puked into a coffee can that was being used as an ashtray. I was sitting on the floor at a party, and I was totally out of it and couldn't move. It's hard to describe how I felt, but I was sort of hallucinating that I was on a carousel, and then up on an apartment building rooftop that I went to occasionally, and I was thinking that my mother was there which was making me freak out because I was convinced she would find out I had taken drugs. It's not the same kind of hallucination or visuals as with acid or mushrooms though, it was more like having a dream, but knowing you are having a dream but you can't wake up. I knew where I was and could see the people around me, but it felt kind of like I was in a fishbowl observing it all. I guess that's the k-hole part of the experience. I don't know how long it lasted, it felt like a long time. I am not a fan of drugs that take you so far out of it that you feel out of control, and it definitely scared me straight on taking ketamine ever again. Even thinking about it now is making me feel weird. Lesson learned, don't take drugs from weird hippie ravers offering you something to be snorted off a frisbee.

Maybe someone more informed than I am can answer, is ketamine addictive? I know anything can be addictive and cause addict behavior, but is it physically addictive and would one get physical withdrawal symptoms from it?

 

[everybody in Portugal]

Wonder if these medications were supposed to be taken this way.

Absolutely not. If she was supposed to be putting it in her toob, they'd have prescribed her something already liquid or effervescent/soluble specifically for the purpose.

I forget with Chels, does she have an IV accessible too or is all this going into her gastric line? Because crushing tablets can lead to some nasty talc-based microemboli when talc-based tablets are mainlines. I'd just *hate* for that to happen to her...

She has only shown the mask btw not the oxygen itself she may not even have oxygen.

does she really not consider it might be her completely sedentary lifestyle that would affect her breathing?

Reckon she knows how bad it is for her body to be taking oxygen unnecessarily, if she actually got hold of a tank? Not a doctor but have worked in complex care settings and was always taught to administer it sparingly and for no longer than was strictly necessary, to safeguard the long-term function of the pt's lungs.

That said, Chelsea is a lying malingerer and almost definitely does not have at-home oxygen. She'd have flexed it long ago if she had tanks sat around at home.

I’m allergic to almost all other nausea medication‘s and stomach medication‘s"

What's that one that no munch ever is allergic to, she should try that. I think it begins with a D...?

Due to this she is going to die of suffocation and aspiratio

has anyone here ever tried ketamine, either recreationally or in a hospital setting?

Recreationally a few times, and absolutely hated it, would not fuck with again unless it was given to me by a doctor in a controlled setting.

Probably more importantly though, I also saw it do some fairly serious damage to friends who got into it a lot heavier than I did — multiorgan damage and dysfunction as well as lingering neurological effects. I doubt she is putting it up her nose though, or taking it in the sorts of quantities those people were, but she is not in for a fun time if she is or does. Not that a fun time is possible when Chelsea is around anyway though, I guess.

ed: too toob

 

[Troonos]

Your dumb patient probably doesn't even know the ice trick.

Nope, she just thinks that doing the universal sign of choking while speaking perfectly clearly is evidence of anaphylaxis. When the nurse called me, I lol'd.

 

[GenociderSyo]

I forget with Chels, does she have an IV accessible too or is all this going into her gastric line? Because crushing tablets can lead to some nasty talc-based microemboli when talc-based tablets are mainlines. I'd just *hate* for that to happen to her...

She has a hickmann line straight into the main vein into the heart.

 

[everybody in Portugal]

She has a hickmann line straight into the main vein into the heart.

Dear god. And she's crushing tablets and sticking them into it? Fucksake.

Talc embolism arc when??

 

[Mudkipcorn]

This makes so much sense. I was doing some confused rambling several pages back because I couldn't make sense of her as an opiate addict. It just didn't check out for me but ketamine suddenly seems to clear all that up. She wouldn't exactly fit in with the Berlin crowd but she does have some similarities. It's not my scene, but I'd still much rather take ketamine in an overly-lit Neukölln apartment with shitty artists and crypto bros than take it at home while fumbling with a phone and making my mother clean up my filth. And that's saying something.

I can't even imagine LARPing to my sibling and parent that I'm dying. There's no way that will end well. And the sad truth is dying might be the better ending at that point.

Spoiler: fjas

I'm certainly not wishing death on Chelsea but how do you back from something like this? I'd imagine the shame of not dying --or even being sick-- could make one suicidal. Hopefully she ends up in the psych ward sooner rather than later.

 

[Troonos]

Dear god. And she's crushing tablets and sticking them into it? Fucksake.

Talc embolism arc when??

Ketamine is almost exclusively IV. There are some obscure intranasal and oral preparations used very rarely, but there's no way she's putting crushed pills through a PICC.

 

[GenociderSyo]

Ketamine is almost exclusively IV. There are some obscure intranasal and oral preparations used very rarely, but there's no way she's putting crushed pills through a PICC.

She talked about having some spray form of a pain med can ketamine come that way? She would have her mom spray it into her mouth.

 

[Jimmy Dean Bowl]

She talked about having some spray form of a pain med can ketamine come that way? She would have her mom spray it into her mouth.

It's mostly paramedics that carry the intranasal version, but she's a determined beesh so...maybe?

Also, hahahahahah she's a K hound. Love this for her. Magnificent.

 

[everybody in Portugal]

Ketamine is almost exclusively IV. There are some obscure intranasal and oral preparations used very rarely, but there's no way she's putting crushed pills through a PICC.

Not the K, perhaps, but there was mention of crushing pills to administer them via toob a few days ago, which is why I was concerned. She's apparently crushing something and shoving it through her Hickman, or was until they took her scripts away

 

[GenociderSyo]

Think there may be confusion she probably was shoving the crushed pills into her J-Tube not the Hickmann.

 

[LikeAStone 2.0]

She talked about having some spray form of a pain med can ketamine come that way? She would have her mom spray it into her mouth.

No. Ketamine is a heavily regulated drug. It can only be used either in an IV or, god forbid your body is absolutely destroyed, IM (Intramuscular; a shot). Only drug on an ambulance that is a spray is Nitroglycerin, used in chest pain calls as a vasodilator (dilates veins, lowers BP, taste like shitty skittles).

This is all from my skewed EMS standpoint and because of that, hospital routines and ER routines might be different.

 

[Friend of Dorothy Parker]

No. Ketamine is a heavily regulated drug. It can only be used either in an IV or, god forbid your body is absolutely destroyed, IM (Intramuscular; a shot). Only drug on an ambulance that is a spray is Nitroglycerin, used in chest pain calls as a vasodilator (dilates veins, lowers BP, taste like shitty skittles).

This is all from my skewed EMS standpoint and because of that, hospital routines and ER routines might be different.

Someone a few posts up said they'd gotten it in an ambulance, after being run over (I assume by a car).

This one:

https://kiwifarms.net/threads/chelsea-lawrence-tanzchelsea.136140/post-14260836

 

[mister fireworks]

Sorry is this is already been discussed to death, but this is the first munchie/maligner I have read about and I cant help but feel MATI that this woman has selfishly wasted so much time, money, resources that couldve gone to other people who need them. The family stuff is fucked too, but I dont have too much pity for an enabling mother, and it sounds like her sister is exasperated but at least has the confidence and fortitude to call them out.

Knowing zero about the actual cost of medical stuff, I'm just gonna throw out a number- guessing she has wasted $250k by now? at least in the sense that hospitals charge obscene amounts for inpatient care and the other people paying for insurance are subsidizing this shit. Also there is the non-quantifiable mental toll and downstream effects that her interactions with healthcare staff have on their ability to be compassionate and empathize with people who are actually ill. Neurology is grim enough, but having to act professional when dealing with a nutjob who is taking time away from real patients sounds like torture.

I'm curious about how the people in this thread and those familiar with the other tik tok munchie malingers think we should deal with these people. Is it possible to get them to ever admit what they are doing? Have you ever seen someone recover from this? Does this ever reach a point where it should be treated as criminal fraud and perhaps require forced commitment to a mental hospital?

 

[GenociderSyo]

 

[A tree]

has anyone here ever tried ketamine, either recreationally or in a hospital setting? I know a lot of people who take it occasionally for fun (they even sell it in pharmacies in mexico- or at least thats what its labeled, god knows). Even the thought of having a bad trip, falling into a k-hole, or even having the desired dissociative effect sounds horrifying to me, so I'm curious about how others have experienced it. I also thought that it was used as an opiate replacement in some EMS situations, but I dont know the background on why that would be the case, unless they were afraid that the patient was already on high doses of opiods and could possibly OD? Also, lol that she claims benzos help. I dont see how a real neurological issue would be "helped" by taking benzos?

I've done shit loads recreationally. I was into it for a couple of years on the rave scene as a young person. A lot of people I knew became problem users and were self medicating for depression. It is highly addictive and habit forming and ive seen people ruin their lives and bodies. I saw people get urostomies and give birth to fucked up K babies and keep using. Those groaning slurring incoherent episodes look EXACTLY like some K holes I've seen my mates go into.
I dont know about literal withdrawal symptoms but it's heavily psychologically addictive and to be honest that can be just as bad.
Thinking back to a brief period where I was using it daily it was more like becoming acclimatised to an antidepressant. A line of K no longer sent you into a hole you were sparkly but functional and not having it made you feel like you hadn't had your meds. Perhaps if a proper study was done they'd find what doctors call discontinuation symptoms.


And has she started complaining about her bladder yet?

Ketamine: 'I thought my bladder was going to explode'

Ketamine use is worse in the UK than anywhere else in Europe. Two former users tell Newsbeat their shocking stories.

www.google.com

 

[WhineMeDineMe69Me]

They do make a nasal spray that administers esketamine, prescribed for treatment-resistant depression, called Spravato. Maybe she munched her way into a prescription for that? I don't know basically anything about it other than it exists, perhaps some of the medfags in the thread can elaborate.

 

[GenociderSyo]

Someone is doing a hospital visit again.

• She states she coded in ambulance but she didnt want to be intubated so stopped them from intubating.
  • Some called her on this and she stated she never said she coded.
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• She states her O2 was at 15 and shes a DNR/DNI now.
• She states shes going to hospice.
• She is making sure shes admitted until Monday.

 

[Manul Otocolobus]

I can say with certainty, if one is "almost" coding they are in no shape to tell anyone anything regarding intubation. If her pulse-ox was 15, she would be unconscious and not have any memory what was going on. It's also almost a guarantee that if she was admitted it was because she OD'd on ketamine, and the only place she is going on Monday is a locked psych ward. Hospice, what bullshit.

Maybe someone more informed than I am can answer, is ketamine addictive? I know anything can be addictive and cause addict behavior, but is it physically addictive and would one get physical withdrawal symptoms from it?

No, its not physically addictive. However, the NMDA antagonism that it causes (which is one of its main methods of effect), and the rebound that can occur after prolonged use, could be quite profound, making someone wish to continue using it to stop the physical effects of withdrawal.

She talked about having some spray form of a pain med can ketamine come that way? She would have her mom spray it into her mouth.

Ketamine can be compounded into all sorts of forms, including sprays.

Then I entered an orange-brown-black space occupied by a giant inflated kiwi-bird with ruffled, long tassel-like feathers and a long curved slim black beak, and the beak curved off into infinity. The space was like a corridor, with undulating grasses at the top and bottom, and the kiwi somehow inside it, but the sides were open and the corridor stretched off into infinity and I moved toward the kiwi and it felt beautiful, amazing, with loud buzzing, ringing sounds accompanying the journey. In another space was a white ball that lifted off the ground and left a white color trail behind it, and that image changed, and shifted and transformed.

One of you, perhaps?

That is Josh's spirit animal.

 

[Mudkipcorn]

I know it's common for lolcow followers to too often expect something big and disastrous to happen, whereas in actuality the cows tend to continue more or less in the same way they always do without big blowups, consequences or dramatic changes. Still, it really seems like things have to be coming to a head here. She's been saying she's going/trying to get into hospice for weeks, and that just isn't a line you can keep up for months and months. Clearly the medical establishment enforced some big changes a few weeks back with the EPIC thing and that has forced her to alter her game. This will surely be big.

It's just a question of whether she gives up the ghost quietly and how much she'll share.