Russian Invasion of Ukraine Megathread - Episode III - Revenge of the Ruski (now unlocked with new skins and gameplay modes!!!)

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Because soledar is not a control point. I've explained this countless times. It was in the way of the path TOO a control point. Blahodatne. The problem is, and let me explain AGAIN, that control point can only be reached by charging across 2 Kilometers of open fields and then crossing a river. All within open and clear line of sight of entrenched machine guns, mortars and javelin missiles.
i dont want to fall into the oh so common trap of larping as some kind of General Bigdick materiel expert, which I am not, but it looks to me on the map like youre talking about a river hamlet a stones throw to the west from the population center that can be cucked by simply going one mile upriver. It's a nice tower you have on the hill but good luck holding onto it when the enemy controls the bailey.
 
Deki is a bullshit artist trying to make himself a Serbian Joko Willinks. He's been trying to start up media tours for a couple of years now, and mostly failing, he even went as far as doing 2 hour interview with an english speaking youtube channel (Task&Purpose). All the shit he says he would either have no way of knowing (unless for whatever reason everyone in the Russian MoD keeps dropping hot intel on this guys lap) or things that have already been confirmed by others.

I mean realistically, just following his own narrative here, he was a DPR sniper who retired some 3 months into the war due to some medical issue. What would he know?
Probably. I still thought it would be interesting to write things down to see what turns out to be true and what not. I haven't kept up with Deki for a while so I may have missed some interesting lore on him in which he seriously contradicts himself.

From how I understood him, he recounts things that he has personally seen, from what he heard second or third hand or - as you said - summarises what is already known or an open secret. As for the medical condition I remember him having some lung related problems (from which he recovered) and was at some point WIA.
 
I'm pretty sure this child is too young to even be able to read what's on that mug.
They're all now learning from experience, everyone who has to live without heat and electricity, everyone who lost their homes, parents, siblings or other relatives and friends, they learn from air-raid sirens and explosions, they learn from reality they find themselves living in. And I'm sure they know whom to thank for it.
Maybe they'll also learn that if you fuck around, you find out. That too is a very important lesson to teach a child.
I'd say I feel sorry for your children, but frankly I don't give a fuck.
Well, I'd say the opinion of a rando on a New Zealand tranny and autismo gossip forum who disagrees with me is irrelevant but I'd be stating the obvious.
 
On track with accurate predictions of a second mobilization mid-January, Russia is now calling up reservists over the age of 30, and ending mobilization deferment for fathers of 3 or more children.
Do you have a source for this (aka a news article or so)?
if so, that could mean that Russia is hurting a lot more then what they are saying in official channel.
 
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Do you find this morally reprehensible? Even in the context with everything that's going on? That's amusing.
You constantly show disregard for the lives of Ukrainians, calling them subhuman, excusing Russia's crimes against them, treating all this as a spectator sport, yet somehow get your panties in a twist over something like this. Ukrainians wishing death on those who brought suffering and ruin to their homes? How outrageous indeed.

Every piece of land you control is potentially useful for logistics, but to what extent is the question. Ukraine will keep fighting as long as Kiev stands and they have international support, it's a simple fact. Russia could take the entire Donbas, which they supposedly determined is their goal now, but that wouldn't make Ukraine magically stop from trying to regain their territory or just making what they took unusable. War will continue, Russia would have to contend with it - that's not a win, because prolonged war was never in the plans to begin with.
War is expensive, people who thinks Russia doesn't feel it and that it won't have long lasting consequences are out of their minds.

One reason is if you have a good defensive position that enemy is trying to get, it's beneficial to make use of it and deplete advancing forces, inflicting as many losses as possible as they're trying to take it.
There's literally no reason to just cede ground when your enemy is perfectly willing to die for it. You make them die for as long as you can, if it becomes too much to handle, you retreat and do it again in some other place.
Yeah, defenders suffer losses too, but it's a known fact that it takes numerically superior forces to overwhelm dug in enemy, so generally speaking attacker suffers far more. Considering Russia's disregard for human life, it's a given here.
It's war, it's brutal, sometimes all you have is shitty options.

It's a war of attrition, if you haven't figured it out.
First of all, there's a difference between disregarding the lives of wanna-be SS LARPers/corrupt military and civilian officials/men who volunteered to fight and grooming children to hate an entire nationality on sheer reflex. You see this is perpetually in Ukranian propaganda and it's not really present in Russian propaganda.

Secondly we have 30+ years of failed western doctrine of "Well if we just hold these key points..." It's literally never worked. If you want to hold land you have to hold all of it. If Russia wants to hold Donbas then it has to hold the entire oblast. From the largest city to the smallest village. That's ignoring any and all other logistical or tactical benefits the territory might hold.

Lastly, every single source be it pro-russian or pro-ukranian has placed the Ukrainians on the losing end of that ratio. Anything from 2 Ukranians for 1 Russian to 10 Ukranians for 1 Russian. Usually followed with some cope about how the west just finished training 700 billion ukranians or some bullshit.
 
Current headlines are Moldova claiming they've found russian missile wreckage after the bombardment and info about the challenger 2 decision. They're sending 12.
Interesting, though not as much as if it were part of NATO.
About two-thirds of the Russian missiles fired at Ukraine on Saturday were intercepted, according to the commander-in-chief of the Ukrainian Armed Forces.
That sounds good, until you realize what big damage the alleged 1/3rd of Russian missiles can do. See:
A regional Ukrainian leader said five people were killed by a Russian missile that struck a nine-story apartment building in the central Ukrainian city of Dnipro.

At least 27 people were injured, including six children. All of them are in the hospital, according to Valentyn Reznichenko, the head of the Dnipropetrovsk regional military administration.

Damage to power infrastructure from a wave of Russian missile strikes has led to emergency power outages in most regions across Ukraine, Energy Minister Herman Halushchenko said.

The CEO of the Ukrainian state power company Ukrenergo says the country's power system suffered twelve waves of missile strikes Saturday.

"Unfortunately, energy facilities in 5 regions were hit," Volodymyr Kudrytskyi wrote on Facebook. "Power engineers are already working on the restoration."

The number of people injured in a deadly Russian missile strike that hit an apartment block in the central Ukrainian city of Dnipro on Saturday has risen to almost 60, according to an official.

"Five people died including one child," according to its Telegram account.

The SES also said 64 people, including 14 children, were injured.
 
Do you have a source for this (aka a news article or so)?
if so, that could mean that Russia is hurting a lot more then what they are saying in official channel.
He doesn't.
About moving the age of recruts from 18 to 20 and from 27 to 30: it's a suggestion that hasn't been approved by Gosduma or president.
And nobody's calling reservist or closing borders, yet.
Considering rumors that are widely circulating about the second wave of mobilisation: there is a possibility of recruing more reservist, but much less than in the first wave, if any at all. I don't think that borders will ever close, from the beginning the government actively encouraged people who don't like what's going on to leave and I think it will stay that way.
 
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( THIS IS ALL REFLECTIONS AND OPINIONS FROM WESTERN OFFICIALS, NOT ANY SORT OF OBJECTIVE FACT, SORT OUT YOUR FACTS YOURSELVES )

A friend of mine was at the Folk och försvar " People and defence " ( Defence conference in Sweden, including supreme allied commander of Europe and several European statesmen and Jens Stoltenberg, basically a NATO/Western conference ). After the presentations, he talked to a bunch of these people, hearing what general info they know and what they think about the war, this is absolutely not objective fact but the opinion of western commanders about Russia/Ukraine and the war in general. Its machine translated, so take it with a bit of salt

Basically, they say that there is a schism between Wagner and Russia, and that Wagner has proved to be quite competent. Russian retreats from Kherson and Kyiv were devastating strategical wise, but quite well performed tactially, with minimal/average casualties. The Kharkiv rout was disastrous for Russia but was a fluke, Ukraine needs heavy modern platforms from the west to conduct a decisive counter-offensive. This is basically what they're trying to organize, a common European transfer of modern heavy equipment. If they succeed in this, hundreds of tanks could be transfered, with just under at thousand combat vehicles. Russia has about double the amount of casualties, but they have the same amount of wounded as Ukraine. Ukraine has many more wounded than dead, compared to Russia.

No facts, just western observations, Thought it could be interesting to share



1) The people who know everything are the British. Everyone else is several steps behind.

2) Everyone respects the Russian General Surovikin as a professional. He comes from the Air Force, which means he has a brain. In Russia, neanderthals (like Gerasimov) go to the army staff, while intelligence goes to the air force staff. We can count out the navy. Surovikin has been portrayed as an aggressive killing machine ("General Harmaggedon") in the media, but in fact he is a very skilled defensive player. He knows exactly what is at stake and what objective problems Russia faces. He has withdrawn troops where needed, straightened front lines, meaning greater troop presence per kilometre of front, drawn up several lines of defence to counter possible Ukrainian offensives, assembled the VDV into an operational reserve to be deployed where needed. The VDV were embarrassed during the airborne operations at the beginning of the war, but they are nevertheless Russia's best soldiers and fight very well if used as infantry on the ground. They proved this in the interdiction battles at Kherson and are now being deployed at Lyman.

3) Wagner has the best organization in the Russian order of battle and deserves great respect it is generally considered. The organization was not created by Russians (they could never do that), but by - *drum roll* - Brits and South Africans (!) whom Prigozhin attached to him after the mercenary company Executive Outcome was shut down. Currently, there are two Wagners. On the one hand, there is the "New Wagner", made up of prison clients and all manner of rubbish sent out to rake and spot Ukrainian firing positions - these are cannon fodder; but on the other, there is the "Old Wagner", who fight in the Western manner and have been trained by "old Africa hands". They are not to be trifled with and enter "stage three", i.e. after the cannon fodder of the "New Wagner" has exposed Ukrainian positions by being shot to death; whereupon the exposed positions are worked with artillery; whereupon the "Old Wagner" goes in and secures the ground.

4) Since the state of Russia is ruled by an authoritarian leader (Putin), this means that the Russian state is by definition weak. This may sound like a paradox, but the point is that a state and its institutions MUST be weak for the leader to be strong - and vice versa. They cannot exist simultaneously. The consequence is a bit like Hitler's Germany, where the war effort was characterised by anarchy in terms of cohesive leadership. Here there is room for separate "warlords" and organizations to create power for themselves without the capacity of the leader to hold them in the Lord's discipline and admonition. This leads to major problems in terms of power gathering. We see resources being squandered and used inefficiently, as well as recurring examples of situations where the left hand does not know what the right hand is doing. In countries where the sterna are strong and the leadership is subject to the law (i.e. here in the West), much of what the Russians do seems irrational and "self defeating". Today's situation: there still seems to be no coherent Russian strategy to win this war or to get all the state's resources pulling in the same direction.

5) If at the beginning of the war the Russians were short of manpower, but large quantities of materiel, the situation is now the reverse. In the beginning, they sent armored vehicles to reconnoiter, but without being able to have a screen of infantry to provide flank protection due to a lack of personnel. This meant that armour could be knocked out by small groups of Ukrainian light infantry armed with anti-tank missiles. The loss of combat vehicles and armour is now a real problem for the Russians, so they now have to economise on the mechanised aspect of infantry operations. They are now running, as in the 19th century, on the rhythm of line infantry-artillery-guard troops. Anyone who has been following the Russian casualty figures will see that the number of soldiers killed has run away, while the losses of mechs have fallen. This is due to the fact that they no longer feel they can spare materiel to the extent that was previously possible.

6) Ukrainians are not supermen. AFU is very good at defense, but has a very hard time implementing offenses. The Russian withdrawals from Kiev in April and Kherson in October were not because of Ukrainian excellence, but because of Russian weakness - and both retreats were conducted according to all the rules of the art, with minimal Russian casualties. The Ukrainians could NOT use their superiority to destroy the Russian forces. If there is one thing that Russian troops really master, it is to suddenly disappear from the theatre of war hux flux - as Torkel Knutsson and Napoleon, among others, experienced. The only time we have seen a truly successful Ukrainian offensive was in the Kharkiv region. There, General Syrsky drove completely according to protocol. At Natomanér the units were kept spread out so that the Russians could not observe them, and then there were continuous breakthroughs where the high tempo prevented the Russians from establishing a front line (which the Russians must have to wage war at all). Of course, all this was facilitated by the fact that the Russians had already thinned out their troops by sending them to the Kherson Front. But in sum: what we saw in Kharkiv can never be repeated in this war. To help Ukraine win, the West must add another dimension, namely armour.

7) To win, Ukraine must cut the east-west artery with which Russia supplies the Luhansk Oblast and Kherson Oblast line. With the current composition of forces, Ukraine cannot do such a thing. On the other hand, neither can the Russians carry out an offensive that could mean a strategic breakthrough. If the front is not to be locked at the present stage, the AFU must be provided with new resources. This means tanks and armoured vehicles. The role of armour is by no means obsolete. The reason why Armenia fared so badly in the recent Nagorno Karabakh war and Russia in the rush to Kiev was because it did not have a bubble of lateral flank protection in the form of the combination of mechanised/light infantry and organic air defence, and did not operate in large enough formations. The ideal would have been at the divisional level, but brigades will do. Ukraine fights according to NATO doctrine at brigade level (the US is currently moving to a division-based organisational structure), while the Russians still see the battalion as the primary unit - although in the last six months they have started to combine battalions into larger "battle groups". What the West is now doing (with much kowtowing) is trying to deliver as much combat vehicles and armour as is politically, economically and physically possible, so that a major offensive can be launched from the Ukrainian side sometime this spring. To carry out an offensive through Zaporizhzhia Oblast and cut the land bridge to Kiev would require at least two army corps, which would mean four divisions, which would mean 12 brigades. This would require four armoured brigades, four mechanised brigades and four light brigades, which would mean something like 700 tanks and 1000 combat vehicles for the manoeuvre units. Ukraine currently has about 700 tanks. If there can be a couple of hundred Leo and a few dozen Challengers, then this could probably lead to success for ours.

8. We can assume that about 90,000 Russian soldiers and about 30,000 Ukrainian soldiers have been killed in the period 24 Feb to 31 Dec. Any figures that in any way differ dramatically from this are incorrect. Our opinion is that Ukraine has about 120K casualties ( rhimes well with Ursulas controversial speech ) and Russia about 200K with half dead
 
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On track with accurate predictions of a second mobilization mid-January, Russia is now calling up reservists over the age of 30, and ending mobilization deferment for fathers of 3 or more children.
It's a bit more nuanced than that: https://www.vedomosti.ru/politics/n...tverdili-otsutstvie-otsrochki-po-mobilizatsii
Basically, they still insist that "partial mobilization" has concluded, thus they won't be conscripting fathers either way. There's a deferment for fathers with 4 children and more, but they're "still working" on the matter regarding fathers with 3 children.
Document about the cancellation of deferment for fathers of multiple children was signed by Gerasimov (who was just assigned to command the invasion) and sent to voenkomats at the end of December, and it's speculated that it was done to legitimize mobilization of those who meets conditions for determent but was mistakenly conscripted, because it's extremely hard to return people who's already in the "area of SMO".
Possibly just covering their asses in this regard.
Needless to say, they already lied about mobilization before, like saying that it wasn't going to happen, for starters. And then about how the process would go and how it went. "Partial" one might've stopped (though not according to the documents), but it could resume at any moment, or a full one could happen. We're certainly not out of the woods yet.

They would want as much meat as they can get, but the whole thing really disturbed the populace, and it's bad for optics. On the material side, it ended up being harder to do than they estimated in terms of materiel and administrative burden, as well as training. There's things in their way that don't allow them to make it happen regardless of how much they want to, what they did was already risky. I'm not deluding myself into thinking that they won't try to iron out the kinks for the next time though. I just hope it all ends before that happens.
First of all, there's a difference between disregarding the lives of wanna-be SS LARPers/corrupt military and civilian officials/men who volunteered to fight and grooming children to hate an entire nationality on sheer reflex.
Yet you assume what's written on that mug is intended for literally all Russians, what a faggot. I know for a fact they wouldn't have a problem with me, because I don't wish them harm and never supported this shit to begin with.
Like, when I say Russians in context of this war, I generally mean invaders, those in charge and those supporting them, and that's far from ALL Russians, it's just what's relevant to what's going on. Does that make sense to you?
 
A friend of mine
What a great source! That was a really helpful info.
According to vatniggers, any source that doesn’t portray Putin as anything
You were asked to link any source that you've got that info from.

Funny thing that no one really mentions: mobilisation was ended on the words of Putin and high ups, with no legal base or acts.
 
He doesn't.
About moving the age of recruts from 18 to 20 and from 27 to 30: it's a suggestion that hasn't been approved by Gosduma or president.
And nobody's calling reservist or closing borders, yet.
Considering rumors that are widely circulating about the second wave of mobilisation: there is a possibility of recruing more reservist, but much less than in the first wave, if any at all. I don't think that borders will ever close, from the beginning the government actively encouraged people who don't like what's going on to leave and I think it will stay that way.
A lot of rumors end up being justified, but sure, it doesn't speak to the verity for the remainder of them. These "suggestions" are often meant to measure public response, and if result is satisfying, it becomes a reality. As for encouraging people to leave, I don't remember that being a thing. It was all very much up in the air.

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Russia has about double the amount of casualties, but they have the same amount of wounded as Ukraine. Ukraine has many more wounded than dead, compared to Russia.
Regarding wounded, this actually makes a lot of sense. Ukrainians are at home and hospitals are within reach, it's easier to organize transfer. For Russians on the frontlines, there's often nothing but ruins behind them, they'd be lucky to have field hospital somewhere, so it's more common for them to not receive the medical help that would've otherwise saved their life.
And there's something to be said for Russia's disregard for the lives of their own. It's proven by both history and Russia's domestic policy.
 
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What a great source! That was a really helpful info.

I didnt say it was a great source, i specified that this was what he heard from western observers. I clarified that there is no objective confirmed facts to this, just interesting to hear the western impressions and reflections when it comes to the war. Stop whining

( He literally sent a selfie of himselves at a gathering including Stoltenberg, Chris Cavoli and three scandinavian officials ) He was there, but what they say is just general info/opinions and not objective facts

Also, the conference was at a popular Swedish ski-resort, it wasnt that difficult to get access to the conference and its inofficial post-talks.
 
lot of rumors end up being justified
Or not. Remember rumors how there will be definitely the second wave right now in two days ever since the first ended? Rumors should be taken carefully.

These "suggestions" are often meant to measure public response, and if result is satisfying, it becomes a reality.
Yep. But not at all always. In regards of uppering the age plank, I think this will happen, though.


. As for encouraging people to leave, I don't remember that being a thing
Well making people "foreign agents", dragging them in courts and overall making their lives more complicated is some encouraging. As well as publically talking about how all the traitors should leave and yatta yatta.
Remember when people were running from Russia during first wave, there were really no significant complications from the government. It's good to lower the protest potential in the country, also.
He literally sent a selfie of himselves at a gathering including Stoltenberg, Chris Cavoli and three scandinavian officials
Okay, anonymous internet person from gossip forum, I totally believe you!
 
Okay, anonymous internet person from gossip forum, I totally believe you!

You dont need to believe me, just stop making a thing out of this. Just look up the damn conference, its all available. The aftertalks are just subjective and no objective facts, just a curioisity. I bet its interesting for pro-russians to know what higher ups withing the western sphere thinks about the war.

If i claimed this was objective facts that Russia got owned and the west rules, then you have a point. But no, its just general talk from the western higherups that might be interesting for ppl who are interested in the conflict

To be clear, this is all a curiosity, none of it is to be taken for objective facts, just wanted to share some inside info and opinions from the western sphere for people who are interested.
 
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I bet its interesting for pro-russians to know what higher ups withing the western sphere thinks about the war.
No, nothing in your post is something most here didn't already know, or surmised. Much of what you have posted is fact or rumor that has been circulating for some time. I don't believe NATO has any special or separate source of information that doesn't come from the US, and the Pentagon has already discussed the issues in your post, in contrast to the WH or Congress, both of whom are more biased and political.
 
from western observers

I was not there but one thing I do know. Western observers, experts, scientists, leaders, financials as well they all share a trait.
They lie and misrepresent all the time. I'm never putting any money on those aholes.
I would certainly not take any of their recommendations into consideration regarding my own direction and I was brought up in and by the system.
They can screw each other but they are not screwing me as far as I can prevent that.
So there's that.
 
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