Speedrunning Thread (Take 2) - GOTTA GO FAST

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Tanner Glass said:
They make money from the charity to put on the event (an undisclosed amount), but it's also unclear who makes the money from Twitch bits/Twitch subscriber tiers, advertising during the event, badge sales, any hotel kickbacks, and so on.
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So usually during the last day, they staple on bits and subscriptions onto the final amount. During the most recent event those got added onto the tracker live just like the usual cash donations. Good point on the other stuff though.

Anyways, I can't begrudge them too hard. These two charities pay them upwards quarter of a million and get back multiple times that in just pure cash, let alone exposure. It's a good deal for two very good organizations, and as long as they are still happy, I still am too. From a pure finance perspective, games done quick is doing it pretty much right. There's nothing immoral about mutual self-interest.

Ideologically, on the other hand…
 
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Czechem Republic said:
So usually during the last day, they staple on bits and subscriptions onto the final amount. During the most recent event those got added onto the tracker live just like the usual cash donations. Good point on the other stuff though.

Anyways, I can't begrudge them too hard. These two charities pay them upwards quarter of a million and get back multiple times that in just pure cash, let alone exposure. It's a good deal for two very good organizations, and as long as they are still happy, I still am too. From a pure finance perspective, games done quick is doing it pretty much right. There's nothing immoral about mutual self-interest.

Ideologically, on the other hand…
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Well, no, there isn't anything immoral about a promotion company being run for profit.

The issue most people have with it is
a) How much money do you make for doing basically nothing (GDQ is staffed almost entirely by volunteers and the content is provided 100% from volunteers coming from their own pockets. GDQ staff (including Mike Umaya) rarely if ever actually are involved with the events.
b) If the money is actually substantial - why are you still crying poverty and not paying anyone who contributes to your event anything. Not like "everyone deserves a salary" but if you're having people fly in, cover the airfare/hotel room. Runners that need specialized equipment have to ship it themselves out of pocket.

Speedrunners are typically not that smart, very young, and aspiring streamers - GDQ is essentially syphoning money from them to line their own pockets under the veneer of "it's all for charity" when we actually have no idea how much is actually for charity and how much is for the GDQ business. If a normal, for-profit, business was run this way - people would freak the fuck out.
 
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I'm pretty sure they came out and said that MSF doesnt actually give them anything for the event and that the reason they are so heavily partnered with PCF is that they give them enough to run both events, this was around the time when they were getting a lot of shit for PCF being a not good charity i.e. mostly doing awareness and paying their ceo a million dollar salary.
 
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OK, so, rap to me. I'm reading a story where for the thousandth time, CLINICALLY CERTIFIED AUTISTIC MEN have proven beyond all reasonable doubt that Bill Mitchell faked his Donkey Kong records in MAME.
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Forensic Analysts Accuse Billy Mitchell of Cheating for Donkey Kong Record

In an exhaustive report, a forensic expert claimed to have found evidence that Donkey Kong record holder Billy Mitchell cheated.
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So, this is fine and all, Billy caught, MAME BTFO (but they've probably fixed the graphical bug now), but for several years now, we've had FPGA emulations of hardware in this class. I understand that MiSTer doesn't officially support pause, but how much would someone with more patience than Billy have to pay to add pause functionality and infinite save/restore states to a core? I can't imagine that we're talking an amount of money that some weirdo who wants to beat historic records wouldn't pay.
 
3119967d0c said:
OK, so, rap to me. I'm reading a story where for the thousandth time, CLINICALLY CERTIFIED AUTISTIC MEN have proven beyond all reasonable doubt that Bill Mitchell faked his Donkey Kong records in MAME.
www.vice.com

Forensic Analysts Accuse Billy Mitchell of Cheating for Donkey Kong Record

In an exhaustive report, a forensic expert claimed to have found evidence that Donkey Kong record holder Billy Mitchell cheated.
www.vice.com www.vice.com
So, this is fine and all, Billy caught, MAME BTFO (but they've probably fixed the graphical bug now), but for several years now, we've had FPGA emulations of hardware in this class. I understand that MiSTer doesn't officially support pause, but how much would someone with more patience than Billy have to pay to add pause functionality and infinite save/restore states to a core? I can't imagine that we're talking an amount of money that some weirdo who wants to beat historic records wouldn't pay.
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It is not trivial, but it could be done, I doubt it would be terribly hard. This of course was one reason that Byuu's cycle accurate snes emulator was met with mixed reception.

Boomer arcade games usually go through a fairly intensive verification process for this. Part of the problem with all the issues the boomer records have had is fucking with that process - usually by havig a buddy 'referee' for you. For arcade games, video is probably the answer, taken by a third party with your inputs visible. In that case you can see inconsistencies in how the game works, both in how the game works and in the case of you assembling a tool assisted run then just replaying the full speed run, your fake stick movements can be analyzed.

To sum it up, you're correct, it's going to be increasingly difficult to police record accuracy, in arcade consoles as well as 'modern' games.
 
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H. Bergeron said:
So after watching some speedrun shit on YT, I have a question. Is there a single fucking "Female" speedrunner who was born with a vagina?
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The number is extremely small. If I try to think about significant female speedrunners, the only confirmed case I can think of is Essentia, who was among the first westerners to run Final Fantasy games like 15 years ago. Another suspected female speedrunner is Kryssstal who dominated A Link to the Past speedrunning for a long time, but not only has ?she? never revealed her face or voice, she's also been confirmed to be a cheater. Zhou Dan is the 6th ranked Minesweeper player in the world and claims to be female, but this is also not confirmed. (image)
The only other female speedrunners I can think of are casuals or streamers who use speedrunning as content. Women simply do not sink hundreds or thousands of hours into a hobby with little to nothing to gain from it. That pattern holds across every competitive scene that doesn't have huge cash rewards or fame.
Women can be good in Poker, because they can win money there. Women can be world class in Chess, if their parents force them to study from birth to prove some point about geniuses being made not born. But remove those external factors and women disappear every time.
 
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POV: You're getting groomed on discord when you just wanted to talk about games
 
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What the hell, GDQ went back to online because attendees would be in extreme danger of not being able to transition their child in Florida? Demanding masks in 2023? This is why we couldn't do something fun for one goddamn minute?

Sub and bit revenue did not go to charity this year to cover the venue cancellation fee.
 
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So am I the only person who generally respects speedrunning?

I'm not gonna defend the runners who turn out to be huge fags, but speedrunning itself... whenever I see a good run, it almost makes me think magic is real or that superheroes really could exist.

But everywhere I go online it seems like people are negative about speedrunning as a hobby entirely (rather than just hating a few specific runners). What gives?
 
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