War Invasion of Ukraine News Megathread - Thread is only for articles and discussion of articles, general discussion thread is still in Happenings.

President Joe Biden on Tuesday said that the United States will impose sanctions “far beyond” the ones that the United States imposed in 2014 following the annexation of the Crimean peninsula.

“This is the beginning of a Russian invasion of Ukraine,” Biden said in a White House speech, signaling a shift in his administration’s position. “We will continue to escalate sanctions if Russia escalates,” he added.

Russian elites and their family members will also soon face sanctions, Biden said, adding that “Russia will pay an even steeper price” if Moscow decides to push forward into Ukraine. Two Russian banks and Russian sovereign debt will also be sanctioned, he said.

Also in his speech, Biden said he would send more U.S. troops to the Baltic states as a defensive measure to strengthen NATO’s position in the area.

Russia shares a border with Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania.

A day earlier, Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered troops to go into the separatist Donetsk and Lugansk regions in eastern Ukraine after a lengthy speech in which he recognized the two regions’ independence.

Western powers decried the move and began to slap sanctions on certain Russian individuals, while Germany announced it would halt plans to go ahead with the Russia-to-Germany Nord Stream 2 pipeline.

At home, Biden is facing bipartisan pressure to take more extensive actions against Russia following Putin’s decision. However, a recent poll showed that a majority of Americans believe that sending troops to Ukraine is a “bad idea,” and a slim minority believes it’s a good one.

All 27 European Union countries unanimously agreed on an initial list of sanctions targeting Russian authorities, said French Foreign Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian, and EU foreign affairs head Josep Borell claimed the package “will hurt Russia … a lot.”

Earlier Tuesday, Borell asserted that Russian troops have already entered the Donbas region, which comprises Donetsk and Lugansk, which are under the control of pro-Russia groups since 2014.

And on Tuesday, the Russian Parliament approved a Putin-back plan to use military force outside of Russia’s borders as Putin further said that Russia confirmed it would recognize the expanded borders of Lugansk and Donetsk.

“We recognized the states,” the Russian president said. “That means we recognized all of their fundamental documents, including the constitution, where it is written that their [borders] are the territories at the time the two regions were part of Ukraine.”

Speaking to reporters on Tuesday, Putin said that Ukraine is “not interested in peaceful solutions” and that “every day, they are amassing troops in the Donbas.”

Meanwhile, Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelensky on Tuesday morning again downplayed the prospect of a Russian invasion and proclaimed: “There will be no war.”

“There will not be an all-out war against Ukraine, and there will not be a broad escalation from Russia. If there is, then we will put Ukraine on a war footing,” he said in a televised address.

The White House began to signal that they would shift their own position on whether it’s the start of an invasion.

“We think this is, yes, the beginning of an invasion, Russia’s latest invasion into Ukraine,” said Jon Finer, the White House deputy national security adviser in public remarks. “An invasion is an invasion and that is what is underway.”

For weeks, Western governments have been claiming Moscow would invade its neighbor after Russia gathered some 150,000 troops along the countries’ borders. They alleged that the Kremlin would attempt to come up with a pretext to attack, while some officials on Monday said Putin’s speech recognizing the two regions was just that.

But Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin told reporters Tuesday that Russia’s “latest invasion” of Ukraine is threatening stability in the region, but he asserted that Putin can “still avoid a full blown, tragic war of choice.”

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[teriyakiburns]

This whole thing reminds me of the trolley problem. Would seem obvious you'd try to intercept a missile coming your way, and sometimes collateral damage might be unavoidable. You might've saved barracks with 300 soldiers inside or power station that provides thousands of people with necessary electricity, but at the cost of fewer lives. It sucks.

There's also the fact that, had Russia not decided to invade a sovereign neighbour for spurious reasons, none of this would even be happening. In the unlikely event that it does turn out to be a stray air defence missile, the fault is still Russia's. They're trying to blame the victim for defending himself against an attack.

 

[Haramburger]

Nice, so Absolutego got sidelined and niggers got the jannie broom. It is impossible to co-exist with the distilled post-2016 4chan, specifically of /chug/ variety in that Happenings thread, so might as well fuck off completely.

Please threadlock me, or else you sick deeze nuts, jannies.

Absolutego is still around, although he may have mild burnout from autism like this. Also I gave @Vince McMahon his requested threadban, with the caveat that I'll remove it on request if he changes his mind; I did not want to "suck doze nuts."

Skimming the last 5 pages things seem to have been pretty on-topic. For comparison, you can post in the community thread for Tiktoks without posting any Tiktoks yourself, though it's highly encouraged. If you want to just comment "oh, that last one was nasty, what a fat cunt" you can, but ideally there shouldn't be a whole page of just reacts and not content being contributed. 4-5 reacts between Tiktoks would be the most ideally, and same with articles here in general. It's not a firm rule, just ettiquette, like with Random Pics & Gifs: pay the image tax.

I've seen complaints that people are posting articles in the Happenings thread and not here, and that's fine. This thread is explicitly for Articles and reactions/discussion of those articles only, the Happenings thread is broader in scope to encompass anything Ukraine. People think it's just the pro-Russia/pro-Ukraine bias steering articles there, but it can also be users just not wanting to sort their recyclables posts into the matching bin, especially when it means steering into another subforum you may give zero fucks about. One or two extra clicks is asking too much, I speak from experience. And if you go browbeating someone into saying "I DO avoid this thread because of pro- whatever bias" I will call them faggots for admitting that. Stop caring about stickers and naysayers & report rule violations as you see them.

 

[Corette]

New Perun.

 

[Astro Galactic Megalul]

Someone in Dnipro caught the strike on camera, it's at 1:04 in this video

You can't see all that much, but you can hear plenty.

So, there's a whole investigation going on, it's in Ukrainian, but they claim to have located people responsible: https://www.molfar.global/blog/dnipro-14-01-2023
It's basically a whole lot of doxing, if anyone is curious to dig through it to see Russia's "best", you're welcome to.

 

[Falcos_Commisar]

It has some effect no doubt, especially since there's inevitably going to be a gap between sending shit to Ukraine and new replacements being manufactured. That being said I think the overall effect isn't as pronounced as people might think because this shit was primarily destined to fight Russia anyway. With them currently stuck balls deep and going nowhere in Ukraine it's not like the countries are likely to need it themselves in the short term.
Most of the potential flashpoints elsewhere would require a different style of campaign anyway. Any interventions in Africa/the Middle East ala Libya/Syria would likely be similar to last time and be primarily reliant on simply bombing the shit out of them, and that's stuff we haven't been sending en-masse. Similarly the other major flashpoint is going to be Taiwan/China which
a)isn't going to involve most of NATO
b)Is going to be primarily decided as a naval/air campaign


It's also spurred us to stop cocking about on some other projects. For instance they also finally agreed on an upgrade package for the Chally 2. Similarly they did a quick about face on not fielding an interim AShM to cover the gap between Harpoon going out of service around now, and our new indigenous missile coming online in several years. They even chose the fucking good, and obvious, option for once which is a not so minor miracle in and of itself.

It's the UK MoD, they'll find a way to screw it up. Oh and amusingly the Ukrainians may end up with more operational Challenger 2s than the UK if current trends continue.

At least if the British army is lucky they'll get all 150 contracted Challenger 3s.

Institute for the Study of War

Russian forces’ likely capture of Soledar on January 11 is not an operationally significant development and is unlikely to presage an imminent Russian encirclement of Bakhmut. Geolocated footage posted on January 11 and 12 indicates that Russian forces l

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ISW confirms fall of Soledar to Russia.

I'd disagree that Soledar is purely pyrrhic, given that it is a stepping-stone towards a stepping-stone (Bakhmut), but I'd agree at this stage in the game a bigger propaganda victory.

I mean, Russia clearly was capable of mounting a true offensive see February 2022 - July 2022.

The bigger question is whether or not Russia can do it again and launch a second offensive after defeat at Kyiv, Kharkiv Oblast, Kherson and very little progress on the Bakhmut front for months until this week.

What is so blatantly out of the question and has been out of the question since like March is whether or not Russia could have pulled off a conventional offensive against NATO.


No they come here to start slapfights then we all get jannied the next day.

If/when Bakmut falls the Russians will probably be as far as they can for for a while. Russians issue in in-country logistics as any ammo dump less than 50 miles from the Frontline is HIMARS bait at this point.

They can have all the troops and tanks on earth but if they have no ammo or fuel they're SOL

 

[Useful_Mistake]

Croatian President Milanovic: What Should We Be, American Slaves?​

Croatian President Milanovic with some forthright views on several current issues, reports Index.hr

PRESIDENT Zoran Milanović participated in the commemoration of the 31st anniversary of the international recognition of the Republic of Croatia and the 25th anniversary of the end of the peaceful reintegration of the Croatian Danube region in Vukovar. At the beginning, he commented on the refusal of SDSS representatives to come to the celebration of the anniversary of peaceful reintegration, reports N1.

"I think they should have come, even though I know it's not easy. This was a conflict between two sides, and now there is peace and things are moving forward somehow. I know they can't have an attitude like mine, but I don't expect that either," said Zoran Milanović.

"Plenković spits on Croatian citizens in foreign media"

The president then commented on Prime Minister Andrej Plenković's interview for the French media, in which he touched on his statements on the issue of training Ukrainian soldiers in Croatia. "You spit on Croatian representatives and Croatian citizens in the French media," he said and added: "Never insult the democratic representatives of your citizens and your citizens in foreign media. That is the minimum etiquette."

Plenković told the France 24 channel yesterday that the decision of parliament members that Croatia does not participate in the European Union's mission to support the Ukrainian army (EUMAM) was a "historically wrong choice".

Milanović said today that the decision on the training of Ukrainian soldiers or any involvement in the war should be the choice of Croatia, which should not do what the bigger powers impose on it. "Washington and NATO are waging a proxy war against Russia through Ukraine. And vice versa. However, if you don't have the ultimate goal, if you don't have a plan, then it ends up like Afghanistan," Milanović said.

The president, who previously opposed Croatia's participation in the mission several times, repeated that it is "legally very doubtful". "The decision is that for the first time in its history, the EU is participating in a war. And this is against the Treaty on the Functioning of the EU, because it only foresees missions outside the territory of the EU," Milanović said.

"The plan cannot be to remove Putin"

"The plan cannot be to remove Putin. The plan cannot be sanctions. This is nonsense. We will not achieve anything. They didn't even break Milosevic with sanctions. They go from war to war. What should we be? American slaves?" he added.

The president was also asked about rounding off, i.e. increasing prices after the introduction of the euro.

"They should have hired an entire army of inspectors to look around. However, the prices have been displayed in euros and kunas for months. We don't live in the Soviet Union. I would expect someone to tell the government. It is the customer who has the most power. He should say : 'You're underestimating me, you're underestimating my intelligence and I'm going to someone else,'" he said.

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Ukraine ‘unable to exhaust’ Russian Armed Forces with West’s aid — Erdogan’s spokesman​

Ibrahim Kalin called for "diplomacy, dialogue or negotiations"

Ukraine will not be able to "exhaust" Russia with the aid received from Western countries, Turkish Presidential Spokesman Ibrahim Kalin said on Saturday at a meeting with foreign reporters, among whom was a TASS correspondent.

"According to our estimates, Ukraine will not be able to exhaust the Russian Armed Forces with that aid it has been receiving," he said adding that Ukrainian military units "are not equipped and trained well enough to push back" the Russian forces "to pre-war frontiers."

"They can fight. They have every right to defend their country, but we do not think that will give them what they seek. We must go through diplomacy, dialogue or negotiations, which we hope will bring about an outcome acceptable to both parties," President Tayyip Erdogan’s spokesman said.

Ukraine ‘unable to exhaust’ Russian Armed Forces with West’s aid — Erdogan’s spokesman - World - TASS | Ghostarchive

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Turkey to resolve problem of Russian grain supplies to poor African countries — Erdogan​

By now, 44% of agricultural products have been sent to Europe via the grain corridor and 14% have been sent to Africa, Turkish President said

Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan has confirmed plans of free supplies of Russian agricultural products to poor countries in Africa.

"Turkey is the country thanks to which the problem of the establishment of a grain corridor has been resolved. But our mission is not finished. Our goal is to process Russian grain [Russian President Vladimir Putin] continues to supply to poor countries and to deliver it to African countries. By now, 44% of agricultural products have been sent to Europe [via the grain corridor] and 14% have been sent to Africa. We will give our response by balancing the situation with supplies to poor African countries," Erdogan said on Sunday during a meeting with the youth, which was aired by the TRT television channel.

Issues of grain supplies to Africa was the focus of Erdogan’s telephone call with his Russian counterpart on January 5.

A package of documents geared to resolve the problem of food and fertilizer supplies on global markets was signed on July 22 in Istanbul for a term of 120 days. One of the agreements regulating grain exports from the Kiev-controlled ports of Odessa, Chernomorsk, and Yuzhny was to expire on November 19. On November 17, the agreements were extended for 120 more days. According to the Russian foreign ministry, the deal was automatically extended since there were no objections from either of the parties to it (Russia, Ukraine, Turkey, the United Nations).

Turkey to resolve problem of Russian grain supplies to poor African countries — Erdogan - Business & Economy - TASS | Ghostarchive

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[Astro Galactic Megalul]

Plenković told the France 24 channel yesterday that the decision of parliament members that Croatia does not participate in the European Union's mission to support the Ukrainian army (EUMAM) was a "historically wrong choice".

Milanović said today that the decision on the training of Ukrainian soldiers or any involvement in the war should be the choice of Croatia, which should not do what the bigger powers impose on it. "Washington and NATO are waging a proxy war against Russia through Ukraine. And vice versa. However, if you don't have the ultimate goal, if you don't have a plan, then it ends up like Afghanistan," Milanović said.

The president, who previously opposed Croatia's participation in the mission several times, repeated that it is "legally very doubtful". "The decision is that for the first time in its history, the EU is participating in a war. And this is against the Treaty on the Functioning of the EU, because it only foresees missions outside the territory of the EU," Milanović said.

"The plan cannot be to remove Putin"

"The plan cannot be to remove Putin. The plan cannot be sanctions. This is nonsense. We will not achieve anything. They didn't even break Milosevic with sanctions. They go from war to war. What should we be? American slaves?" he added.

The president was also asked about rounding off, i.e. increasing prices after the introduction of the euro.

"They should have hired an entire army of inspectors to look around. However, the prices have been displayed in euros and kunas for months. We don't live in the Soviet Union. I would expect someone to tell the government. It is the customer who has the most power. He should say : 'You're underestimating me, you're underestimating my intelligence and I'm going to someone else,'" he said.

Does that dude sound German to anyone else? Big surprise that most of EU would've been content just sitting around and doing nothing. Who knew that standing up for your values might come at a price.

 

[Pocket Dragoon]

The preliminary cause of the incident with the Tu-22M3 in the Kaluga region became known.

Back in March 2021, the crew of a Tu-22M were "involuntarily" ejected & killed by their aircraft on the ground. The only survivor of it's crew allegedly took part Dnipro strike & the mall.

Skvortsov Oleksiy Genadiyovych (31.07.1986)


Biography, involvement in the 52nd Aviation Regiment:

Major. In June 2020representedShaykovka Airfield during the Victory Parade.

Negative:

The tragedy in Shaykovka:

In March 2021,wasthe commander of the Tu-22M3, the only one of the four pilots who survived the extraordinary event at the Shaykovka airfield. During the scheduled preparation for the flight of the Tu-22M3 bomber, the plane's ejection system was activated while still on the ground. Due to the insufficient height to open the parachutes, three crew members suffered non-life-threatening injuries during the landing. Among them was regimental commander Vadym Biloslyudtsev, navigator Denis Sultanov and navigator-instructor Oleksandr Pidsobliaev.

There is also a version about the conflict between Skvortsov and other pilots, after which Skvortsov ejected the others.

The bomber incident happened on Tuesday. As a result of the operation of the ejection system, three members of the aircraft crew were killed. The aircraft has an aviation systems package switch lever - that is, the pilot can activate the aircraft systems both individually and as a whole (in a package). At the time of the incident, the lever was connected to the ejection system.

Shortly before the accident, the plane was undergoing repairs. It is assumed that during these works the lever could be connected to the aircraft control system.

Recall that the incident occurred on March 23: when the aircraft engines were started at the airfield, catapults went off. Due to insufficient altitude for opening the parachute, three crew members died: regiment commander Vadim Beloslyudtsev, navigator Denis Sultanov and navigator-instructor Alexander Podsoblyaev. They didn't have time to buckle up.

The commander of the aircraft Alexander Skvortsov survived - his evacuation system is switched on separately from the rest of the crew.

From Wikipedia:

• On 23 March 2021, a Tu-22M3's ejection system malfunctioned,[114] suddenly activating while still on the ground. The incident resulted in the deaths of three crew members and the hospitalization of a fourth.[115] An official from Russia's Defense Ministry said that "due to the insufficient altitude for parachute opening, three crewmembers received fatal injuries upon landing."[112] The aircraft was at Shaykovka Air Base undergoing engine start procedures.

 

[GatorAids]

Not exactly article or news, but back in the 90s there was one videogame show on Russian TV called "От Винта!"
In episode 59 back in like '96, they talk about M1A2 Abrams tank simulator, at 4:07 they describe a mission set in *drum roll* independent Ukraine that decided to join NATO and is now facing Russian invasion, hence the Abrams
I shit you not

Yo, ain't that M16 in their manual? ROFL
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Wasn't expecting Russian G4 to be hosted by Turk from Scrubs and a really skinny James May. Seems like kino.

 

[MG-34]

Another T-90M destoryed, this time by an AT-4 from the front. (An AT-4 should not frontally penetrate a modern MBT).

https://twitter.com/cyber0k/status/1614912620766842881?t=xjgcdcD_JeozJ25wzMMQsw&s=19

It appears this was a new production T-90M deployed days ago due to the ERA bricks installed on the lower glacis.

 

[MS Paint Gigachad]

Another T-90M destoryed, this time by an AT-4 from the front. (An AT-4 should not frontally penetrate a modern MBT).

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https://twitter.com/cyber0k/status/1614912620766842881?t=xjgcdcD_JeozJ25wzMMQsw&s=19

It appears this was a new production T-90M deployed days ago due to the ERA bricks installed on the lower glacis.

I have so many questions.
How do we know this was the work of an AT4? It's not like the video shows a dude shooting it.
New production and ERA, but the ERA didn't work? How? Did somebody steal it, or was it just manufactured badly or what?
I'd have expected a modern MBT to be able to tank an AT4 to the front, even without ERA? Am I overly optimistic about protection, or is there indeed something wrong with this tank?

 

[Astro Galactic Megalul]

I have so many questions.
How do we know this was the work of an AT4? It's not like the video shows a dude shooting it.
New production and ERA, but the ERA didn't work? How? Did somebody steal it, or was it just manufactured badly or what?
I'd have expected a modern MBT to be able to tank an AT4 to the front, even without ERA? Am I overly optimistic about protection, or is there indeed something wrong with this tank?

Author of the video claims it:

"AT-4 in the face (in the area of mechanic's triplex (?))"
"What's with the crew?"
"Partially escaped"

That actually reminded me of Speak The Truth recently interview where dude who fought in Ukraine claimed that survivability rate of tank crews is surprisingly high, one of theirs changed multiple tanks.

 

[Corette]

Corporations seem to be quietly returning to Russia.
https://www.techpowerup.com/303595/intel-and-microsoft-resume-support-in-russia

According to multiple reports and sources close to Tom's Hardware, Intel and Microsoft have quietly resumed operations and a basic level of support in Russia. As to comply with sanctions imposed by Europe, the UK, and US, Intel and Microsoft are forbidden to sell any new technology within the state of Russia. This has made Intel and Microsoft block official software downloads. However, Intel has stated that the company is obliged to provide warranty services that are a part of purchasing an Intel product. "Intel continues to comply with all applicable export regulations and sanctions in the countries in which it operates. This includes compliance with the sanctions and export controls against Russia and Belarus issued by the US and allied nations. Access to resources that meet driver update needs, such as the Intel Download Center and Intel Download Support Assistant (IDSA), are part of Intel's warranty obligations," said Intel, adding that "There have been no recent changes to our operations."

 

[Pocket Dragoon]

I'd have expected a modern MBT to be able to tank an AT4 to the front, even without ERA? Am I overly optimistic about protection, or is there indeed something wrong with this tank?

That white smoke isn't propellants or oil burning; my best guess is electricals and/or possibly the fire-suppression system triggered.

It's hard to see where the tank got tagged, but the rocket would've come down at an angle, especially an AT-4.

Author of the video claims it:
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"AT-4 in the face (in the area of mechanic's triplex (?))"
"What's with the crew?"
"Partially escaped"

I believe "mechanic's triplex" refers to the driver's periscope. Based on the tank's location & surroundings, the AT-4 was launched near max range, and it came down in a ballistic arc on top of the driver's compartment/hatch, which would also explain how the crew "partially escaped".

RPG rockets have an optional booster that can be added in the field for distant shots (or flatter trajectories close in), but AT-4 rockets fly more like a football, especially at long-range targets.

Still, I love how Ukrainians can be so blunt yet ambiguous.

That actually reminded me of Speak The Truth recently interview where dude who fought in Ukraine claimed that survivability rate of tank crews is surprisingly high, one of theirs changed multiple tanks.

 

[MG-34]

I have so many questions.
How do we know this was the work of an AT4? It's not like the video shows a dude shooting it.
New production and ERA, but the ERA didn't work? How? Did somebody steal it, or was it just manufactured badly or what?
I'd have expected a modern MBT to be able to tank an AT4 to the front, even without ERA? Am I overly optimistic about protection, or is there indeed something wrong with this tank?

It could be a fluke or a really lucky shot OR these new T-90Ms that were rolled out were built were commercial grade or low quality alloys. I doubt the AT-4 hit a ERA brick. The T-90M is in a weird position as there are two versions, one pre invasion production with French made parts from Thales and a post invasion variant with 100% Russian parts.

 

[teriyakiburns]

Ukraine: Military hardware donations weaken Army - UK chief

Head of British Army gives backing to plan but raises concerns in internal message seen by the BBC.

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Ukraine: Challenger 2 tanks donation weakens Army - UK chief

Sending tanks and artillery guns to Ukraine to bolster the country's war effort will leave the British Army weaker, its chief has said.

Gen Sir Patrick Sanders said that Ukraine would put British donations to "good use" in the fight with Russia, in an internal message sent to troops and seen by the BBC.

But he warned that it would also leave the British Army "temporarily weaker".

The UK has committed to sending 14 Challenger 2 tanks to the frontline.

Around 30 AS90s - large, self-propelled guns - are also expected to be delivered.

Gen Sanders, head of the British Army, told troops that ensuring Russia's defeat in Ukraine "makes us safer".

But he said it was vital the Army's "warfighting capability" was restored at pace.

"There is no doubt that our choice will impact our ability to mobilise the army against the acute and enduring threat Russia presents and meet our NATO obligations," he added.

Speaking in the House of Commons on Monday, Defence Secretary Ben Wallace highlighted the need to reinvest in the military.

He told MPs his department was now considering whether the Army needed a larger tank fleet in light of Russia's invasion of Ukraine.

Mr Wallace added he would "also build on the Army's modernisation programme at pace, specifically on artillery".

Gen Sanders' memo to the troops is as much a message to the Treasury to deliver on the government's pledge to modernise the Army.

He makes clear the Army is making sacrifices to help Ukraine win the war.

And while he believes that it is worthwhile, it comes at a cost. So Gen Sanders wants to see the investment needed to rebuild it. In that goal he has the support of the defence secretary.

The Ministry of Defence has pledged to spend £24bn on re-equipping the Army over the next decade. But much of that new kit - including upgraded tanks and new armoured vehicles - will not be fully operational until the early 2030s.

Ukraine's President Volodymyr Zelensky said the decision to send the Challenger 2 tanks "will not only strengthen us on the battlefield, but also send the right signal to other partners".

Built in the late 1990s, the Challenger tank is more than 20 years old, but it will be the most modern tank at Ukraine's disposal

While the donation alone is not considered a game-changer, it is hoped that the UK's move will inspire other countries to donate more modern equipment to help Ukraine.

Additional reporting by James Gregory.

Translation: Buy us more new tanks pl0x. It'd be nice if the outcome of all this was to force defence spending to be a bit more rational and effective, but I'm quite certain we'll just end up spaffing half the budget on some new wondertank and another infantry radio standard, and then spend the rest trying up upgrade Nimrod, even though all the airframes have been scrapped by now.

I didn't see the AS90 mentioned before this article. It's an interesting addition, as Ukraine is already operating an AS90 variant called the Krab.

 

[Exterminatus]

About 100 Ukrainians will be landing in Oklahoma to Fort Sill relatively soon to begin training for the Patriot systems, operating them and how to maintain them for fighting conditions.

Ukrainian troops to train on Patriot system in Oklahoma | WPRI.com

archived 16 Jan 2023 19:17:01 UTC

archive.ph

 

[Astro Galactic Megalul]

Opinions? https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/01/16/britain-sending-ukrainians-wrong-tanks

 

[MG-34]

Opinions? https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/01/16/britain-sending-ukrainians-wrong-tanks
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At a glance the Jordanians are one of the more "normal" Haji states out there while still being filthy rich so I'd wager they would be in good condition and have technological parity with anything the Russians can send to counter them. It seems like it would be a good match to send them to the Ukranians and stop dealing with the fucking Germans and their bullshit. I really hope the French or the Koreans can take Germany's place as "the place you buy tanks from if you don't want Abrams or slav garbage" after this war is over.

 

[Astro Galactic Megalul]

At a glance the Jordanians are one of the more "normal" Haji states out there while still being filthy rich so I'd wager they would be in good condition and have technological parity with anything the Russians can send to counter them. It seems like it would be a good match to send them to the Ukranians and stop dealing with the fucking Germans and their bullshit. I really hope the French or the Koreans can take Germany's place as "the place you buy tanks from if you don't want Abrams or slav garbage" after this war is over.

It would be nice to never have a need for tanks to begin with, but yeah. I never knew all that much about Germany, but what I've learned so far was... disappointing.
That aside, there's something to be said for the quantity. When it comes to tanks and IFV, it seems to matter quite a bit. I assume anyone would pick 100 Challenger 1 over 14 Challenger 2.