Star Wars Griefing Thread (SPOILERS) - Safety off

[LORD IMPERATOR]

The upper city looks nice but it's still run by a crime lord who will kill you in broad daylight if you fail to pay a debt. That's still a very Chicago like experience that's been amped up a little.

It's run by the Sith who barely tolerate Davik. They look the other way, he pays them tribute. Which is kinda like New York before Giuliani. The mob is just one of the factions around, and they pay the politicians enough to make them look the other way, but there's enough safety to keep the gang violence to a minimum. At most, you run into one gangster trying to collect money from a debtor in the upper city.

The lower city is the Chicago of Taris. Open gang warfare, run-down streets, the works.

 

[Shadfan666xxx000]

It's run by the Sith who barely tolerate Davik. They look the other way, he pays them tribute. Which is kinda like New York before Giuliani. The mob is just one of the factions around, and they pay the politicians enough to make them look the other way, but there's enough safety to keep the gang violence to a minimum. At most, you run into one gangster trying to collect money from a debtor in the upper city.

The lower city is the Chicago of Taris. Open gang warfare, run-down streets, the works.

But it's not just an arrangement with the sith. Davik has been in power there for decades by that point and every other character you meet has ties to him except maybe the doctor you meet. Plus, it's not just Davik being a shithead. You can get yourself jumped by a rich kid who's mad that you didn't let her boss you around who will jump you with her goons and shoot you in an alleyway and Carth straight out says that taris is pretty low on the scale of places he's been. It's at least somewhat scummy by galactic standards.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

But it's not just an arrangement with the sith. Davik has been in power there for decades by that point and every other character you meet has ties to him except maybe the doctor you meet. Plus, it's not just Davik being a shithead. You can get yourself jumped by a rich kid who's mad that you didn't let her boss you around who will jump you with her goons and shoot you in an alleyway and Carth straight out says that taris is pretty low on the scale of places he's been. It's at least somewhat scummy by galactic standards.

What galactic standards? That's just par for the course. Even during the New Republic you had shit like that on Coruscant or Nar Shaddaa, where Jaden Korr and Kyle Katarn fought wealthy gangsters who didn't fear the authorities. Luke grew up on Tatooine, which was shared between Jabba and the Imps.

Hell, on Alderaan, if you smack a noble in the face for treating you like shit, his guards are fully authorized to kill you. And that's supposed to be a civilized world.

Davik isn't technically in charge, he just bribes those who are in power to look the other way. They can lock him away anytime, but they don't, because he pays them enough. There's still plenty of law and order in the upper city to the point where you can't just have a shooting war between gangs like Chicago. That kind of BS is reserved for the lower city of Taris.

It's why Canderous hires you to raid the Sith base and steal the launch codes. He could do it himself, but the Sith know who he works for, and if he did it, a battalion of Sith troopers will knock down Davik's doors, kill him, and take all his belongings, including the Ebon Hawk. The Sith are still in charge, they merely tolerate Davik because he pays them tribute money, and they can decide at any time to do away with him if he becomes a nuisance.

 

[Shadfan666xxx000]

What galactic standards? That's just par for the course. Even during the New Republic you had shit like that on Coruscant or Nar Shaddaa, where Jaden Korr and Kyle Katarn fought wealthy gangsters who didn't fear the authorities. Luke grew up on Tatooine, which was shared between Jabba and the Imps.

Hell, on Alderaan, if you smack a noble in the face for treating you like shit, his guards are fully authorized to kill you. And that's supposed to be a civilized world.

Davik isn't technically in charge, he just bribes those who are in power to look the other way. They can lock him away anytime, but they don't, because he pays them enough. There's still plenty of law and order in the upper city to the point where you can't just have a shooting war between gangs like Chicago. That kind of BS is reserved for the lower city of Taris.

It's why Canderous hires you to raid the Sith base and steal the launch codes. He could do it himself, but the Sith know who he works for, and if he did it, a battalion of Sith troopers will knock down Davik's doors, kill him, and take all his belongings, including the Ebon Hawk. The Sith are still in charge, they merely tolerate Davik because he pays them tribute money, and they can decide at any time to do away with him if he becomes a nuisance.

I guess I was wrong about the taris standard then. I always got the impression it was particularly shitty.

 

[Drag-on Knight 91873]

I guess I was wrong about the taris standard then. I always got the impression it was particularly shitty.

Well, Los Angeles today is figuratively Taris. It's got $4000 a month apartments and a few blocks down is Skid Row.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

I guess I was wrong about the taris standard then. I always got the impression it was particularly shitty.

The lower city is shit. The upper city is fine, so long as you're human.

 

[Raoul_Duke]

Modesto...in Star Wars

Somewhere, someplace, George Lucas is in a cold sweat.

 

[Ghostse]

You're right, the MCU was good...in Phase 1.

I'm picking on you to talk about MCU in general, sorry.

Let's be honest with ourselves. Phase 1 is the cleanest part of the turd, but it is still shit.
The movies will age like ass. There is nothing good in Iron Man that isn't Robert Downey Jr (ok and Gwyneth Paltrow). The plot is just this side of nonsense, it just is the barest threads designed to tie together scenic set peices, with action that happens despite the plot not because of it.

The only think that is note worthy about Iron Man is the fact it paragoned the MCU movie and how those techniques and structures influenced their own period of cinema akin the Western, and not on its own merits.

Additionally, Phase 1 we weren't sick of MCU movies. They weren't breaking new cinematic ground, but that particular formula hadn't been done in that particular way. By the time of Avengers, it was all old hat, and that contributes more to Phase II and beyond sucking than anything.

While the marvel movies are all shit....

Conan the Barbarian Conan the barbarian is a movie that is better than has any right to be, great performances from NFL players, not everyone is hollywood pretty and tells a compelling story. It is a good movie. I will fight you, drive you before me, and hear the lamenations of your women on this Conan the Destroyer is not a good movie, but I enjoy the hell out of it.
Generation 1 Transformers Cartoon is utter garbage. Animation is bad, the plots are bad, its a 15-minute toy commercial. It has only two redeeming features: Good voice talent, and Robots that fight and transform into cars. And I didn't need the voice acting to enjoy it as a young child.

It doesn't need to be good to be enjoyable, but let's be be honest.

 

[ArthuriusMartyrius]

I'm 'shitting' on Avatar for two reasons.

It's a generic rip off of Japanese shounen without anything meaningfully added. It's largely an okay nothing burger that gets praised as this great thing. Also, let's not overstate Avatar's maturity here...

Second, my complaint was it introduced a conflict and then at the last minute dodged that conflict.

I've included highlights since you have twice mischaracterized me and the next time you do it, I'll go from considering it done out of a lack of reading comprehension and instead the result of bad faith.


Because no show ever did that? Also, if not, then don't introduce it.

Though, I'll point out again that you've mischaracterized me. All I've alleged is they should have followed through with one or the other!


Would you be a fan boy? Is this why your defending this thing so much?

Regardless, you undermine your first point with the second.





So you just fucking admitted my entire point was fucking valid. It was an assault, it undermined the set up conflict, and it was fucking stupid.

You don't address my point that Avatar was an average rip off that is over rated as fuck with a legion of fanboys that act like it's special.


Like fucking what? These two things contradict one another you fucker. I've listed great shows. I've listed good ones. It's from 2005. For fucks sake man. It's not as if it came out in a content dessert.

It was, along with Adventure time in 2010, the forbearer for everything we now get animation wise.

Either riffing on other cultures and works or Calarts misanthropy.


I'm not fucking mad at Avatar. I do resent the fuck out of it's retarded legacy and fanboys.

I point to its creatively weak points, such as the ending I used as a fucking example you cunt and which you agreed was a fucking ass pull but still had to dicker with me over in order to prove your childhood wasn't a waste, and see echoes of things like Faglonis refusal to off his darlings and convenient asspull deus ex machinas. Also waiful shit. Tons of waifu shit.

Damn bro, someone got angry.

1) OK, so you hate it because you perceive it as a rip-off. Fine, whatever. But your assertion that it dodged a conflict instead of resolving it is wrong. Aang didn't kill Ozai. That was the resolution.

2) It followed through with Aang not killing Ozai. I'm not really mischaracterizing you since you seem to not like that resolution and therefore it is logical conclude that your issue is that it didn't go with the other resolution.

3) And no, I'm not a fanboy. If I was, I wouldn't consider the entire middle part of Book 2 of the show to be dull garbage, which will get you verbally crucified by actual fanboys.

4) No, I didn't admit anything. It just appears you didn't understand what I wrote.

YOU: "So the main problem revolves around the central moral crisis that they introduce and then ass pull themselves hamfistedly out of????"

ME: "No, problem is that energybending was introduced in the last episode and wasn't Aang himself discovering it but being given it. On its own, it's completely fine."

Your claim is that energybending was a hamfisted asspull to dodge a moral conflict and that's the issue. My counter is that it wasn't an asspull and the conflict was resolved, issue is that was a solution introduced a bit late (after being briefly hinted at in Book 2) and Aang doesn't proactively obtain it.

5) I don't think you know what a contradiction is. A show can be simultaneously better than a lot of its competition and also not be some masterpiece for the centuries. Also, 2005, let's see, Ben 10, American Dragon: Jake Long, Krypto the Superdog, Robotboy, eh. Sure you listed Peter Chung, who is God-tier but I wouldn't say 70/30 is worth praise. And good Lord, if only modern-day shit was even half as good as ATLA was. It's all copied from Adventure Time now.

6) I mean, you do seem pretty mad at it. You keep making off-hand remarks every other line how much you think it sucks. And for Avatar to be my childhood I would have to have been an actual child back when it first aired.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

I'm 'shitting' on Avatar for two reasons.

It's a generic rip off of Japanese shounen without anything meaningfully added. It's largely an okay nothing burger that gets praised as this great thing. Also, let's not overstate Avatar's maturity here...

I point to its creatively weak points, such as the ending I used as a fucking example you cunt and which you agreed was a fucking ass pull but still had to dicker with me over in order to prove your childhood wasn't a waste, and see echoes of things like Faglonis refusal to off his darlings and convenient asspull deus ex machinas. Also waiful shit. Tons of waifu shit.

Damn bro, someone got angry.

As a connoisseur of shonen anime, I have no problems with Avatar. It's like most western animated shows at the time: entertaining, but it has some flaws. But nowhere near enough so as to sink the whole work. It's not as good as say, G Gundam, DBZ, Yu Yu Hakusho, Bleach, or Naruto, but it was still fun on its own, and I've got no problems with it or its fans. Shit, I don't even have that much of a problem with Korra, I just see some missed potential there. And I'm the kind of asshole who will watch something like G Gundam from beginning to end because I love corny, action-packed anime stuff.

Avatar seems to have found its niche among the DCAU fans and the TCW fans. Fans of western animation that want it to tackle mature topics, but still remain kid-friendly. They'll not go the full way through with maturity the way something like Zeta Gundam would, where the main character's mother is blown into the cold vacuum of space, and they're also not going to be as kid-friendly as the Adam West Batman, where you have "POW" and "BAM" signs when Batman punches someone. They want something mature enough to make younger kids ask their older siblings "what is this", without it turning into a Jackson Pollock painting with too much red, or going full T&A with the women on the show.

The big flaw with that kind of storytelling is that people who want you to focus on one side will find it wanting. People who want to see extreme action a la Force Unleashed or DBZ will look at Avatar and say it doesn't go far enough. People who want their kids to watch completely harmless cartoons will say it's going too far. That's what it looked like when I first saw it: it looked like some kid's show that dabbled in light action, but I'd rather watch a DBZ re-run or Samurai Jack. It was only by the second and third seasons did Avatar begin to win me over as a fan, and a casual fan, at most, because I liked how Toph, Azula, and the Dai Li were controlling fire and earth with their bending in combat.

Also, waifuism was slowly emerging at the time Avatar came out. You had anime which had hot, smokin' gals, and you had some pretty gals in western animation as well, especially in the DCAU. And many of these kids watching this stuff were going through puberty, so I can imagine boys looking at Wonder Woman or girls looking at Zuko and suddenly having the kind of feelings which they didn't have about cartoon characters before. It wasn't as set in stone as it is now, with many fans of anime, western animation, or video games having dedicated ideas on their waifus, but it was slowly emerging from the primordial consciousness of many kids, teens, and young adults at the time.

 

[Sneed F91]

I had a random conversation with my co-workers today about Star Wars because someone was playing the sequels on Disney+. I like when this happens because it gives me a good idea of what casual audiences (instead of hardcore autists online) think about the franchise now. Basically it went something like this:

• Between the group the thoughts were that the best SW movie was either Rogue One, Empire Strikes Back, or Revenge of the Sith
• Most of them didn't get why I like ANH the most
• They didn't want to acknowledge the sequels at all
  • I tried bringing them up out of curiosity but only managed to get one of the guys to admit that he liked TFA (ugh), everyone agreed 8 and 9 objectively sucked ass
  • One guy brought up Rey being a Mary Sue and how she was only as powerful as she was because she was a woman (based)
  • One guy thought the spinoffs were better than every mainline movie
• One guy claimed to be an EU fan and wanted Disney to adapt Thrawn (you can find my post somewhere explaining how Disney still would have fucked it up and it would have been a massive waste of time)
  • He also said he wished ROTJ was different because of "Ewoks beating the entire Empire", I "um ackchually'd" and said the Ewoks were getting their asses kicked until Chewie stole the AT-ST and the point of the battle was to just blow up the shield generator
• One guy said Mark Hamill had the all around best performance out of everyone in the OT
• One guy said Jar Jar was overhated and not nearly as bad as everyone said he was
• Nobody brought up Andor, just Mando and I think Obi Wan
• One guy said he liked the prequels apart from AOTC

I have a feeling normies will still watch Disney Wars to some extent, but the sequels have failed to resonate with people in any way.
/blog

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

I have a feeling normies will still watch Disney Wars to some extent, but the sequels have failed to resonate with people in any way.
/blog

That's why they're going in deep with shows like Andor and the Filoniverse. The Sequels pretty much blew up in their faces, so Disney has to appeal to different tribes of SW fans. Like the Filoni fans, the SJW fans, the artsy fans, the EU fans, and so on.

 

[Manly_Brony]

I'm picking on you to talk about MCU in general, sorry.

Let's be honest with ourselves. Phase 1 is the cleanest part of the turd, but it is still shit.
The movies will age like ass. There is nothing good in Iron Man that isn't Robert Downey Jr (ok and Gwyneth Paltrow). The plot is just this side of nonsense, it just is the barest threads designed to tie together scenic set peices, with action that happens despite the plot not because of it.

The only think that is note worthy about Iron Man is the fact it paragoned the MCU movie and how those techniques and structures influenced their own period of cinema akin the Western, and not on its own merits.

Additionally, Phase 1 we weren't sick of MCU movies. They weren't breaking new cinematic ground, but that particular formula hadn't been done in that particular way. By the time of Avengers, it was all old hat, and that contributes more to Phase II and beyond sucking than anything.

While the marvel movies are all shit....

Conan the Barbarian Conan the barbarian is a movie that is better than has any right to be, great performances from NFL players, not everyone is hollywood pretty and tells a compelling story. It is a good movie. I will fight you, drive you before me, and hear the lamenations of your women on this Conan the Destroyer is not a good movie, but I enjoy the hell out of it.

I think It'sAGundam said it best when he remarked that he's glad the MCU is imploding because he's tired listening to the filthy casuals flaunting around their knowledge of the watered-down Infinity War series. Which brings me to my relationship with Conan. I like the old films and I'm even an unironic fan of the cheesy rip-offs they spawned. But I discovered the short stories in my late teens and they (even the L. Sprague de Camp-Lin Carter ones) are much better because the protagonist is not a wide-eyed Austrian bodybuilder. I'm actually in the same boat as Gundam because I have two chums who worship the first Conan movie and think the short stories are mid.

 

[Rome's rightful successor]

Saw this, it's pretty cool.

Hopefully we will see more of this recreation.

 

[Kiwi Lime Pie]

She literally has no reason to exist post-order 66. I thought she would have died at some point as many jedi did during the clone wars near the end of the series or at least during order 66.

In discussions with other SW fans at the time, a number thought Ahsoka might be killed by Dooku prior to TCW's ending to provide Anakin with enough of a rage-filled revenge reason in Episode III to decapitate Dooku with zero remorse at Palpatine's insistance. Some of the same fans later agreed that keeping Ahsoka alive and having her appear in every SW production to date wasn't a bad look for her or Filoni who appeared as if he just couldn't bear to see his character die -- something that still seems true to this day.

Good lord, those Ahsoka leaks sound terrible.

Any leaks involving Disney Wars have sounded terrible and those that ended up being true were as terrible as they sounded if not more-so (see also: the Episode IX leaks discussed here that were proven to be true by Kiwis brave enough to watch the film).

whose mental double EK Johnston created the first transgender clone trooper and implied Padme was a bi-swinger

Having read Johnston's Ahsoka novel, one of my disappointments was her admission she wanted to pander to the alphabet soup group and have Ahsoka and Kaeden share a (romantic?) kiss at the end of the story. Don't get me wrong, there's plenty of room for novels featuring same-sex relationships, but shoehorning it in doesn't always work as intended and tends to piss off those who simply want entertainment without any underlying political sperging or social agenda. However, this is par for the course with Disney and its woke agenda. It's no surprise that the fanbase has all but shrunk to a hugbox.
Edited for spelling and clarity.

 

[Kyria the Great]

Here's a question for those who still care but given its been over 6 years and well removed from its "current thing" status, are there honest fans of The Last Jedi? I only ask because I don't think there are actual fans of the film and only sympathizers for it being the "current thing" and what it supposedly represents.

 

[Sneed F91]

One thing I refuse to believe about the state of Star Wars is that it's all the fault of one person.

Plot twist: it never was. Unlike the George Lucas era where the fans could blame him for ruining everything, Disney Star Wars is made by committee in almost every aspect. Blaming just JJ or just Rian for how the sequels (and the rest of the franchise) turned out is overly simplistic (not that I would expect the fans to think differently). JJ and Rian may have been given a lot of creative control, but at the end of the day they were still forced to do what Disney wanted them to because they don't own Star Wars. George would make the final decision on everything, which is different from being a cog in the corporate machine. JJ and co set up the sequels for failure, Rian continued the retardation. Bob Iger enabled Kathleen to do whatever retarded shit she wanted while he was busy rolling in the Scooge McDuck vault.

are there honest fans of The Last Jedi?

Online? Yes. At lot of them aren't really Star Wars fans and like it entirely to spite people online or pretend that it's not a Star Wars movie. Or they genuinely think it's a masterpiece because it has themes in it. Or they might like the overrated visuals. Or they think the Rey Nobody twist is brilliant. Or they're Reylo scum. At the same you can find people online who will defend literally anything so these people are hard to take seriously.

In real life? Fuck no. I have never met an honest to goodness TLJ fan in person in my entire life. Most people I know dislike it, were confused by it, or don't care about it at all.

 

[Godzilla@1989]

So is Disney still planning to retcon Padme as a bisexual who cheats on Anakin? Out of all the protagonists Disney shit on from the Complete Saga, Padme is getting the least abuse.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

-Cody goes AWOL at the end of Bad Batch Season 2's third episode.

-Kenobi's show has its second season in production.

Let's face it, those two fuckers are going on a buddy-cop adventure, aren't they? I can imagine Senator Organa sending them off to work together against some threat. Maybe have them kill some guy that Vader and the Emperor are fond of? Or have them help organize Rebel cells with strategy and training, like what they did with the Onderonian rebels in TCW?

 

[Creep3r]

So of course, Disney sees this phenomenon, sees how the Prequels and their high ideas got shat upon, sees how people want OT nostalgia, sees how they consume Filoniverse Star Wars, and of course, they're going to make more of the latter. The only other move they know how to do is to infuse Star Wars with revolutionary leftist politics, which they made a failed attempt to do with TLJ, but they succeeded in doing it with Andor, since while TLJ is scorned by the normie fans, Andor isn't. So they're going to do more of it, and they'll keep doing it until the Filoniverse and Disney Wars hits rock-bottom and peters out like how the MCU is doing now, then maybe they'll do another canon wipe and start digging into the old EU to make stories.

You seem to forget that despite Andor's praise from wookieepedos and scifi nerds (who were more into other scifi than Star Wars), the show was a ratings disaster with the lowest viewership score of any disney-lucasfilm show to date and zero relevance among "normies" as you put it, only being outranked in rating failures by Willow and Filoni's distastefully named Tales of the Jedi Tales of Ahsoka+Dooku. Hell, even lego sw crap has more relevance than anything disney has shat out in the last decade.