Razörfist / The Rageoholic / xRazorfistx / Daniel Paul Harris - Hipster Metalfag. Game Journo-Doesn't Play Games He Reviews. Thief Fanfic Author. COOMER AND GROOMER.

[Battlefield2142EU]

Tried finding out why the stream was removed. Despite all these people wondering where it went...
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Spoiler: I just thought this one was funny

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...Danny is too busy retweeting all the people praising his Lincoln video.
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Spoiler: Danny reading the responses to his Lincoln video (NSFW you know what's in here, lol)

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Too bad Donald Trump is not on Twitter anymore. It would've been hilarious if Trump ended up trashing Danny for slandering his favorite president.

 

[The Nothingness]

I wonder if anyone has shared Danny's latest video with conservative personality, Sebastian Gorka. He is probably one of those Lincoln apologist that Danny took shots at.

 

[Battlefield2142EU]

Did Danny mention that after six years of bitching about Donal Trump, Disney's own marvel comics made Joe Biden a puppet of the Hand in the marvel universe and a female Daredevil killed him? Joe Biden is such a shitty and boring president that woke Twitter didn't notice or care.

 

[RazorBackBacon]

Yeah, I think people called him out on the weebery.

I find his rants entertaining sometimes, but watching him squirm and/or overreact whenever people point out his hypocrisies is just as fun. Nobody who's well-adjusted would put on such a ridiculously abrasive public persona.

He's still got the Breath of Fire retrospective still up, so I'm guessing he can somehow justify to himself that BoFa deez nuts somehow isn't weeb, despite the obvious.

 

[Popper Whiting]

I'm glad everyone enjoyed the Lincoln video and don't want to discourage discussion about it. Therefore, @Popper Whiting and I have continued the Lincoln debate in the sub-thread. Danny's thread gets derailed enough as is and it would be good to continue the discussion over there.

Thank you.

I promise everyone this. If, whilst I am still able to post, I feel that this thread has swerved into politisperging I will post in the relevant politisperg thread challenging people to fite me on that topic whilst calling Ayn Rand a despicable Jewish cunt.

 

[Hagfish]

I always

I promise everyone this. If, whilst I am still able to post, I feel that this thread has swerved into politisperging I will post in the relevant politisperg thread challenging people to fite me on that topic whilst calling Ayn Rand a despicable Jewish cunt.

I disagree. Ayn rand is a Disagreeable Hebrew Bitch.

Did Danny mention that after six years of bitching about Donal Trump, Disney's own marvel comics made Joe Biden a puppet of the Hand in the marvel universe and a female Daredevil killed him? Joe Biden is such a shitty and boring president that woke Twitter didn't notice or care.

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Most of the socjus dont really read comics. its why most overtly woke comics tend wind up unprofitable. Though i do feel as if Danny should have mentioned it.

 

[BlackDragoons]

So I kinda figure out why Danny wrongly thinks that Dune is pulp. Back in the 60s before Frank found a publisher he released two short stories from the novel into the magazine Analog (You can actually find PDF archives of the magazines and honestly if you haven't checked them you should) But again it was only 2 short stories and if you think Dune is pulp then I'm guessing Lord of the Rings is as well.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

So I kinda figure out why Danny wrongly thinks that Dune is pulp. Back in the 60s before Frank found a publisher he released two short stories from the novel into the magazine Analog (You can actually find PDF archives of the magazines and honestly if you haven't checked them you should) But again it was only 2 short stories and if you think Dune is pulp then I'm guessing Lord of the Rings is as well.

Razorfist wields the word "pulp" as if it was some kind of honor. He acts as if something called "pulp" is considered classic entertainment, that it's something seen as novel by many. Danny-boy obviously didn't do enough research with literature terms, otherwise he'd know that "pulp" as a genre is usually referring to the cheap wood pulp used to make these magazines that had "pulp" stories, and that they were considered cheap, crass, low-brow entertainment. They are literally the 20th century equivalent of erotic Deviantart fanfiction, and literary critics reacted to them the same way movie critics reacted to the Michael Bay Transformers movies.

So Razorfist wielding the world "pulp" as if it was something positive, when really, it shows his lack of literary knowledge. Danny-boy calling himself a "pulp" author would've had him laughed at by most literary critics in the 1900s.

 

[Corn Flakes]

Razorfist wields the word "pulp" as if it was some kind of honor. He acts as if something called "pulp" is considered classic entertainment, that it's something seen as novel by many. Danny-boy obviously didn't do enough research with literature terms, otherwise he'd know that "pulp" as a genre is usually referring to the cheap wood pulp used to make these magazines that had "pulp" stories, and that they were considered cheap, crass, low-brow entertainment. They are literally the 20th century equivalent of erotic Deviantart fanfiction, and literary critics reacted to them the same way movie critics reacted to the Michael Bay Transformers movies.

So Razorfist wielding the world "pulp" as if it was something positive, when really, it shows his lack of literary knowledge. Danny-boy calling himself a "pulp" author would've had him laughed at by most literary critics in the 1900s.

Razor uses "pulp" the same way as edgy Norwegian teenagers in the early 00s used "true" or "kvlt". It means "I like it, but if you say you like it too I'll call you a poser because clearly you don't know as much about it as I do".

It's hipster shit for people who refuse to wear fedoras, basically.

Now, there are a lot of good pulp stories out there. Solomon Kane, one of Razor's beloveds, is genuinely great. But like with every genre that was once popular there's also a lot of dross you have to sift through to find the real gems. Thankfully with the genre being essentially dead save for some hipsters pulp-lovers like our boy Danny, you can actually find the good stuff without being completely overwhelmed by new works piling up, which can be a problem in other genres and/or media.

 

[Darkrider]

Razorfist wields the word "pulp" as if it was some kind of honor. He acts as if something called "pulp" is considered classic entertainment, that it's something seen as novel by many. Danny-boy obviously didn't do enough research with literature terms, otherwise he'd know that "pulp" as a genre is usually referring to the cheap wood pulp used to make these magazines that had "pulp" stories, and that they were considered cheap, crass, low-brow entertainment. They are literally the 20th century equivalent of erotic Deviantart fanfiction, and literary critics reacted to them the same way movie critics reacted to the Michael Bay Transformers movies.

So Razorfist wielding the world "pulp" as if it was something positive, when really, it shows his lack of literary knowledge. Danny-boy calling himself a "pulp" author would've had him laughed at by most literary critics in the 1900s.

Razor wouldn't know pulp from orange juice pulp. He would probably suck off Pulp Fiction if it wasn't directed by Quentin Tarantino.

 

[Wampak]

So I kinda figure out why Danny wrongly thinks that Dune is pulp. Back in the 60s before Frank found a publisher he released two short stories from the novel into the magazine Analog (You can actually find PDF archives of the magazines and honestly if you haven't checked them you should) But again it was only 2 short stories and if you think Dune is pulp then I'm guessing Lord of the Rings is as well.

Analog isn't a pulp magazine by any definition. John Campbell hated pulp. The entire editorial ethos of Analog was to be the exact opposite of pulp sci-fi.

Razor wouldn't know pulp from orange juice pulp. He would probably suck off Pulp Fiction if it wasn't directed by Quentin Tarantino.

The fact that Danny thinks that movie is a betrayal to pulp because "there's too much talking" is another massive gaffe on his part. That's what happens when you've only read two authors in an entire medium. Honestly I can't think of another currently working filmmaker whose movies more closely embody the spirit of pulps than Tarantino. It makes Danny's reactionary hatred of the man all the more childish and nonsensical, especially since Tarantino loves all the same Western and crime movies that Danny does.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

Razor uses "pulp" the same way as edgy Norwegian teenagers in the early 00s used "true" or "kvlt". It means "I like it, but if you say you like it too I'll call you a poser because clearly you don't know as much about it as I do".

It's hipster shit for people who refuse to wear fedoras, basically.

Razor wouldn't know pulp from orange juice pulp. He would probably suck off Pulp Fiction if it wasn't directed by Quentin Tarantino.

Indeed. Razor doesn't realize where the word originally came from, or the negative connotations that originally came with it. Calling yourself a "pulp" author during the time when those stories were being made would make most people from those times think that you write cheap, sensationalist smut for a living-not exactly the profession of an honorable, western man.

Now, there are a lot of good pulp stories out there. Solomon Kane, one of Razor's beloveds, is genuinely great. But like with every genre that was once popular there's also a lot of dross you have to sift through to find the real gems. Thankfully with the genre being essentially dead save for some hipsters pulp-lovers like our boy Danny, you can actually find the good stuff without being completely overwhelmed by new works piling up, which can be a problem in other genres and/or media.

I can say the same thing about fanfiction. Some fan stories out there are great. Back then when the KOTOR fan media site was around, some stories written by passionate fans were genuinely entertaining. (I remember this one story about Darth Malak surviving KOTOR 1 and being written from his point of view as he winds up working with some girl while trying to escape the rest of the Sith for failing.) But at the same time, there's also a lot of trash in online fanfiction, and there are many notorious examples. Finding good fanfiction is like finding a needle in a haystack.

 

[Wampak]

I can say the same thing about fanfiction. Some fan stories out there are great. Back then when the KOTOR fan media site was around, some stories written by passionate fans were genuinely entertaining. (I remember this one story about Darth Malak surviving KOTOR 1 and being written from his point of view as he winds up working with some girl while trying to escape the rest of the Sith for failing.) But at the same time, there's also a lot of trash in online fanfiction, and there are many notorious examples. Finding good fanfiction is like finding a needle in a haystack.

Calling pulps the equivalent to modern fanfiction is a bit disingenuous. I don't think an H.P. Lovecraft or Raymond Chandler level talent has ever emerged from a fanfiction community.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

Calling pulps the equivalent to modern fanfiction is a bit disingenuous. I don't think an H.P. Lovecraft or Raymond Chandler level talent has ever emerged from a fanfiction community.

I use those descriptors because that was how people in the past century viewed pulp literature. As crass, low-level entertainment. Essentially, the same way we view fanfics, hentai, and other low-brow entertainment. HP Lovecraft is the exception to the rule, not the rule itself. Like I said, there were some fanfics out there that were really fucking good. But they're few and far between.

I mean, for all we know, some future audience might start viewing the Bayformers films as classic entertainment, but to us, they're a literal joke. Just a boom-fiesta of robots fighting, while the critics hate the shit out of it.

 

[Wampak]

I use those descriptors because that was how people in the past century viewed pulp literature. As crass, low-level entertainment. Essentially, the same way we view fanfilms, hentai, and other low-brow entertainment.

No, a more apt comparison would be how we view blockbuster movies, Lee Child novels, and anime in general today.

HP Lovecraft is the exception to the rule, not the rule itself

He really isn't. Almost all popular writers in the 20th century got their starts in, or at the very least were featured in, some kind of pulp magazine.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

No, a more apt comparison would be how we view blockbuster movies, Lee Child novels, and anime in general today.

Er......no. Pulp stories have a reputation among literary circles of being crass, lurid, and cheap. Blockbuster movies cost a ton to make, and anime is well-loved by its audiences. And it also costs a decent amount of money to make. That, and critics actually love most blockbusters, whereas literary critics a century ago saw most pulp stories the same way we see hentai or fanfiction, or the way movie critics see the Bayformers movies.

 

[Wampak]

Er......no. Pulp stories have a reputation among literary circles of being crass, lurid, and cheap.

No one reading pulp magazines gave a shit what "literary circles" had to say (nevermind that pulps like Blue Book were well-regarded by literary critics of the day). Literary critics and "high art" snobs of the time also thought film as an entire medium was worthless trash. When I say how WE view these things today, I mean we, you and me and most normal people, not the faceless shibboleth of "critics". Pulp magazines sold hundreds of thousand of copies a month. Critically-acclaimed literary fiction was lucky to sell a thousand in a lifetime (which is still true today). Pulps were popular entertainment, just like capeshit movies, Jack Reacher books, and anime today.

Blockbuster movies cost a ton to make, and anime is well-loved by its audiences. And it also costs a decent amount of money to make.

What does how much it costs to make have to do with anything? Pulps were magazines, of course they were cheaper to make than a film or animation.

anime is well-loved by its audiences

And pulps weren't?

or the way movie critics see the Bayformers movies

Or how they saw Star Wars when it first came out (wait til you learn about where Leigh Brackett got her start in fiction writing). Transformers is also one of the most successful film franchises of all time, so you're not exactly contradicting my point.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

Spoiler: PULP IS CHEAP LOL

No one reading pulp magazines gave a shit what "literary circles" had to say (nevermind that pulps like Blue Book were well-regarded by literary critics of the day). Literary critics and "high art" snobs of the time also thought film as an entire medium was worthless trash.

That's because film as a medium was young at the time. The art critics eventually grew to accept film as time went on, and eventually, films wound up having their own high art snobs.

When I say how WE view these things today, I mean we, you and me and most normal people, not the faceless shibboleth of "critics". Pulp magazines sold hundreds of thousand of copies a month. Critically-acclaimed literary fiction was lucky to sell a thousand in a lifetime (which is still true today). Pulps were popular entertainment, just like capeshit movies, Jack Reacher books, and anime today.

But the reason why pulp as a genre was called that is because it was considered low-brow and cheap. Sure, it sold a lot of copies-because it was the cheapest dish on the menu when it came to literature entertainment. It's the book equivalent of fast food. Also, capeshit movies usually get the approval of the high art snobs of today. Earlier capeshit trilogies like the Sam Raimi Spider Man movies or the Dark Knight trilogy also had a lot of approval from the critics of their time.

Pulp fiction meanwhile, was seen as cheap, low-brow entertainment. Sure, the plebs bought a lot of it, but it's in the same vein where you or I would go to McDonalds. It's good to get a laugh or some sensations out of it, but it's basically literary junk food 99% of the time.

What does how much it costs to make have to do with anything? Pulps were magazines, of course they were cheaper to make than a film or animation.

They were cheap to make and sell. Basically, they were on the same level as early capeshit comic books.

And pulps weren't?

Yes, they were loved, but the difference between pulp and anime was that the latter actually cost a pretty penny to make. In the same vein, fanfiction is also well-loved by many people who frequent art sites. It's just that fanfiction is cheap and easy to make, (lol just have some dolt type on a computer) while anime takes a whole process, a whole team, and corporate backers throwing money at it.

Or how they saw Star Wars when it first came out.

Star Wars was well-loved by most critics when it first came out. Guys like Siskel and Ebert couldn't get enough of it. That is the exact opposite of how the high art crowd reacted to pulp novels. When Star Wars first came out, most of the high art snobs of cinema couldn't get enough of it; it was like they saw magic for the first time. Granted, a few critics thought it was just a vapid boom-fiesta, but they were the minority opinion; most critics were awed by it, describing it with words like "sublime", "beautiful", "an out-of-body experience", "a new classic".

Star Wars (film) - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Transformers is also one of the most successful film franchises of all time, so you're not exactly contradicting my point.

The Transformers films by Michael Bay (Transformers 1-5) are hated not just by critics, but by fans of the Transformers franchise. The majority of the people who gobble it up are either adrenaline/dopamine junkies who don't care about the story, or Chinese viewers who don't know jack fucking shit about the Transformers franchise and want a simple movie where the good robot beats up the bad one. The actual Transformers fanbase hates the shit out of the Bayformers films, and yes, they see it as low-brow, crass, and lurid, as opposed to something like the G1 movie which still had some charm despite its shortcomings, or the Transformers Prime movies (One Shall Stand and Predacons Rising) which were seen as wonderful by the fans, and they often compare them positively to the Michael Bay films, often writing comments that shit on Michael Bay and say things like "this is how Transformers movies should be made!"

Getting back to Danny-boy, his love of pulps is probably due to the fact that not only have they been mostly discontinued, but also because not that many people are touting its virtues. Of course, they'd look novel to us now, and that's probably why Danny-boy loves them, but him wielding that word "pulp" goes to show that he doesn't realize how cheap his tastes would be considered if he actually wound up in the same time peroid when the pulp stories were at their height.

 

[Wampak]

Spoiler: gay nerd shit

That's because film as a medium was young at the time. The art critics eventually grew to accept film as time went on, and eventually, films wound up having their own high art snobs.

Popular fiction was young at the time. Art critics have also come to accept comic books, animation, and yes, pulp literature.

But the reason why pulp as a genre was called that is because it was considered low-brow and cheap.

It's called that because the magazines were printed on pulp paper. It's not a "genre".

It's the book equivalent of fast food

Anime is the TV equivalent of fast food.

They were cheap to make and sell. Basically, they were on the same level as early capeshit comic books.

Yes, exactly. Early capeshit comics are now regarded as culturally important Americana and are being reprinted as literary classics by Penguin and Folio Society.

Yes, they were loved, but the difference between pulp and anime was that the latter actually cost a pretty penny to make.

Again, this is a total non-sequitur.

Star Wars was well-loved by most critics when it first came out.

It was regarded as pretty spectacle for children. Critics mostly praised the special effects.

Here's what critics thought of the original 'Star Wars' in 1977

Star Wars reviews: What critics thought of the 1977 film when it was first released

ew.com

The Analog/Campbellian sci-fi crowd hated it because it brought the genre back to the style of "cowboys in space" pulp fiction in the tradition of E.E. Smith and Edmond Hamilton, something they'd tried so hard to get away from.

That is the exact opposite of how the high art crowd reacted to pulp novels

Star Wars is literally a big-budget version of Buck Rogers or Captain Future. Lucas's primary inspiration, Flash Gordon, was the comic strip knockoff of John Carter pulps. Incidentally, his other biggest inspiration, Akira Kurosawa, based one of his most successful and acclaimed films on a Dashiell Hammett pulp novel. Leigh Brackett, the writer for Empire Strikes Back, got her start writing sword and planet stories for pulp magazines.

tl;dr Turning your nose up at pulp fiction when you literally have a Darth Vader avi is pretty funny. Almost Danny's level of lacking self-awareness.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

Spoiler: PULP IS CHEAP PART II

Popular fiction was young at the time. Art critics have also come to accept comic books, animation, and yes, pulp literature.

Not really. Popular fiction was as old as western civilization. Fairy tales, legends, plays, and even stories like Robin Hood, were far older than pulp fiction.

It's called that because the magazines were printed on pulp paper. It's not a "genre".

Cheap wood pulp. And yes, it was a genre, a type of entertainment that had its own reputation:

Pulp magazine - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

"The pulps gave rise to the term pulp fiction in reference to run-of-the-mill, low-quality literature. Pulps were the successors to the penny dreadfuls, dime novels, and short-fiction magazines of the 19th century. Although many respected writers wrote for pulps, the magazines were best known for their lurid, exploitative, and sensational subject matter, even though this was but a small part of what existed in the pulps. Successors of pulps include paperback books, digest magazines, and men's adventure magazines. Modern superhero comic books are sometimes considered descendants of "hero pulps"; pulp magazines often featured illustrated novel-length stories of heroic characters, such as Flash Gordon, The Shadow, Doc Savage, and The Phantom Detective."

Anime is the TV equivalent of fast food.

No it isn't. It's a very expensive hobby. Especially since its fans tend to collect tons of memorabilia, and legally obtaining anime episodes to watch is an expensive venture. Unless you're watching anime illegally online, or paying constantly for a streaming service, (also not cheap) buying box sets of anime DVDs are far more expensive than buying pulp magazines. The latter had the price of early comic books and were easy to get. The former will cost most people a small fortune.

Yes, exactly. Early capeshit comics are now regarded as culturally important Americana and are being reprinted as literary classics by Penguin and Folio Society.

Because capeshit evolved. Early capeshit stories, which were a lot like pulp fiction, were considered cheap entertainment. Hell, some of the more successful pre-MCU capeshit stories like the Dark Knight trilogy, the Sam Raimi Spider Man trilogy, or the Michael Keaton Batman trilogy, had deep philosophical themes and moral conundrums that most pulp stories didn't have.

Again, this is a total non-sequitur.

No, this is the main difference between the two. Both fanfiction and anime can be entertaining, but one is cheap, the other is expensive. Just ask the poor saps who actually buy box sets of anime DVDs. It's a fucking pain in the ass. That's a far cry from someone buying a pulp magazine for cheap.

It was regarded as pretty spectacle for children. Critics mostly praised the special effects.

Here's what critics thought of the original 'Star Wars' in 1977

Star Wars reviews: What critics thought of the 1977 film when it was first released

ew.com

The Analog/Campbellian sci-fi crowd hated it because it brought the genre back to the style of "cowboys in space" pulp fiction in the tradition of E.E. Smith and Edmond Hamilton, something they'd tried so hard to get away from.

Yes, and many pulp stories were considered cheap fiction full of lurid/M-rated material that's not suited for kids. Which again, is the exact opposite of Star Wars, which is entertaining enough for adults, but with enough spectacle for kids, without having anything that would make it inappropriate for them. Also, it had a sense of high adventure and storytelling that wound up creating its own mythos, lore, and universe. While it had some elements of pulp, it also taps into things like fairy tales, legends, and fantasies. Star Wars is more akin to Lord of the Rings than Conan the Barbarian. Lord of the Rings is far from being a pulp fantasy.

Star Wars is literally a big-budget version of Buck Rogers or Captain Future. Lucas's primary inspiration, Flash Gordon, was the comic strip knockoff of John Carter pulps. Incidentally, his other biggest inspiration, Akira Kurosawa, based one of his most successful and acclaimed films on a Dashiell Hammett pulp novel. Leigh Brackett, the writer for Empire Strikes Back, got her start writing sword and planet stories for pulp magazines.

The difference was, Lucas' film was actually appealing to the high art crowd, whereas most pulps were laughed at by said crowd or seen as low-brow entertainment. Lucas was also trying something new; fusing fantasy with science fiction, which at the time, seemed impossible, since the two genres were diametrically opposed. One side looked to cold logic and reason, the other appealed to religion and high ideals of metaphysics and faith that most sci-fi fans looked down upon. It was an experiment, a costly experiment, that was anything but a cheap and easy endeavor to accomplish.

tl;dr Turning your nose up at pulp fiction when you literally have a Darth Vader avi is pretty funny.

Darth Vader first appeared in a movie that most critics considered classy, high art, or at the very least, innovative. It was a film that critics described as legendary, defying expectations, not just because of its effects, but because of what it showed to be possible. (ie. mixing two genres that are very much considered to be opposites) Pulp fiction is considered cheap and low-brow by the critics and literature experts of its time.

Also, as I've said before, there are good fanfictions out there. Me comparing pulp fiction to fanfiction wasn't me thumbing my nose up at pulp fiction as a whole, but rather, looking at how cheap and easy it was to write such stories. It was easy and cheap to write pulp stories and fanfiction; get the right guy to publish a decent story on a magazine or a website, and you're good to go. Something like your average anime or Star Wars takes far more effort than that.

Almost Danny's level of lacking self-awareness.

Really? Why is that? Quite literally, pulps were considered cheap both in terms of production, and in terms of literary depth or innovation.

As I said, they were consumed in mass numbers in the same way McDonalds fast food is. Anime is more akin to an expensive night at a Japanese restaurant. Especially since both come from Japan, and both can burn quite the hole in someone's wallet. That doesn't mean pulps were bad, it's just that they were cheap, both in terms of substance and in terms of price. Cheap junk food can still be satisfying, given the circumstances. Shit, I'm shoving cheap potato chips into my mouth as I type. Just because they're cheap doesn't mean they're bad, they taste well enough, but it's not as substantial or classy as say, filet mignon.

This thread needs to get back to being about Danny-boy. It's a thread about him, not pulps. I only brought up the pulps to highlight how he doesn't know literary history.