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you think Indiegogo will shadowban this campaign too once the initial 30 days are up?
Diseased #Comicsgate - The Culture Wars Hit The Funny Books!
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Did you make your colorist the main character on purpose? In the book is he deaf? Will he be sexting women or trading lewd videos?
I know the fan bois buy multiple of these, but the only in public pic I could find where people might see the hat is this specimen playing guitar with his fly down.
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NGL, I chuckled a little at 'comicsgate is a hat group'.
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Run an image of Zack through an ageing filter and this is what'll come out:
Future Zack serenading an outdoor gang-bang circa 2042.
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Comicsgate Annual Financial Report 2022
Well friends, another year has come and gone and Comicsgate is improbably still around. What lessons can we take from the year of our Lord 2022 and go forward into 2023 with?
The most significant events of 2022 relating to CG went on outside it, it without question being the rise of youtubers-turned-indie comic creators drawn to Comicsgate's implementable business model, like Eric July's Rippaverse franchise ($3.6M) and Shad Brooks' Shadow of the Conqueror ($600K). They've adopted much of early Comicsgate's rhetoric for marketing purposes but rejecting any sort of collective ethos, entrepreneurial independence over creator independence, and asserting their absolute autonomy. Largely on account of having seed capital and platforms of their own from the onset. An expansion into alternate indie comics by youtubers wielding CG's caus du jour, with much bigger, more disciplined platforms. It represents the obvious threat of competition, yes, but with that also an opportunity as this could potentially bring in tens of thousands of culture war youtube viewers as customers that could be courted.
Methodology
As always, the bulk of the data was scraped off of CreatorGo.com, which in turn scrapes them from IndieGoGo. Figures are pulled from the site on a semi-regular basis so a true number of how much money was made over a year by both campaigns launched over the year and campaigns left in InDemand over said year (CreatorGo doesn't do this). This year presented a new challenge as a growing number of creators (Billy Tucci, Adam Lawson, Jon del Arroz) turned to Kickstarter for crowdfunding, as well as creators like Mandy Summers who have broke into hosting crowdfunds on their own sites. These were all manually entered.
Overview:
Adjusting for non-CG entries in CreatorGo, Comicsgate made $5.03M in 2022 vs $.5.13M over the course of 2021, a decrease of -2.02%. The diagnosis of "Comicsgate is stable/stagnating" alone would be welcome news for 2022 after the rapid collapse (-28.1%) of CG over the course of 2021, where between Frog, Meyer, Cecil RGE, Fraga, Stoker, Weathers, GP5, etc, the term "Top Comicsgate Creator" became synonymous with "failure to deliver anything". After such a collapse of customer confidence, putting a tourniquet on the flow of backer dollars is a victory in of itself.
Yet, breaking down which creators grew and which shrank (something recommended to me by Nasser), something interesting makes itself clear:
* - Not new but last campaign was before 2019
** - Not included in final total, but held on for reference.
Specifically, it behooves this autistic statistician to take into account Frog's fundraising decline from $2.1M in 2020 to $1.2M in 2021 to $532K this year, so that a true account of how the rest of the movement is performing beyond its leader. And the results (removing Frog and Meyer from the equation) show that some measure of recovery and growth is happening. Adjusting for that, Non-Frog+Zack Comicsgate in 2022 made $4.08M across 132 campaigns vs $3.6M across 172 campaigns in 2021. An increase of 11.3% in overall gross raised. So I would call 2022 as a successful year for Comicsgate as a whole.
Detractors like Smiller point out that fewer CG campaigns are cracking the IndieGoGo Top 25 as proof that the movement is in stagnation. A better metric I'd argue is that only 9 campaigns between 7 creators raised $100k+ in 2021, whereas in 2022 there were 17 campaigns by 12 creators making over 100k. More creators able to make a living creating with more money overall sounds like growth to me.
Blacklist:
The IndieGoGo Blacklist was something else new that began in late 2022, but the data I believe vindicates my initial reaction; that Comicsgate's business model is about self-marketing creators bringing customers to the payment processor themselves through their platform instead of relying on search algorithms, and that burning bridges for a processor willing to take CG money and host their campaigns on the altar of youtube clicks was perhaps shortsighted. In December 2022 for example, all five of the top five grossing CG campaigns of the month were blacklisted. It doesn't seem to have been a big impediment to moving books.
In all, 2022 can be characterized by two main things: first is the decline in fundraising of the top three figures in Comicsgate (Frog, Meyer and Malin), with no uniform cause as to why this is so. Each will face unique challenges going forward into 2023 (I'll get into this shortly).
The other is the triumph of Frog's Comicsgate Kings initiative and a great vindication of the two years of effort he spent building it up. Even when they were going on Frog's show at first, I never thought I'd see the day where figures like Graham Nolan or Mike Baron actually carrying the banner on Fox News or even enraging Nerdrotic by extolling the virtues of CG on FNT. They're definitely some of the biggest public outreach efforts 'the movement' has made over the past year, by people I'd never expect to be the ones to do it. Nolan, Baron, Davis, Strychalski, Andy Smith, Eltaeb, Panell, Lopresti and Rocafort all had major growth over 2022. At least from a business perspective, it is an unqualified success.
Finally, some observation on noteworthy individuals going into 2022:
Well friends, another year has come and gone and Comicsgate is improbably still around. What lessons can we take from the year of our Lord 2022 and go forward into 2023 with?
The most significant events of 2022 relating to CG went on outside it, it without question being the rise of youtubers-turned-indie comic creators drawn to Comicsgate's implementable business model, like Eric July's Rippaverse franchise ($3.6M) and Shad Brooks' Shadow of the Conqueror ($600K). They've adopted much of early Comicsgate's rhetoric for marketing purposes but rejecting any sort of collective ethos, entrepreneurial independence over creator independence, and asserting their absolute autonomy. Largely on account of having seed capital and platforms of their own from the onset. An expansion into alternate indie comics by youtubers wielding CG's caus du jour, with much bigger, more disciplined platforms. It represents the obvious threat of competition, yes, but with that also an opportunity as this could potentially bring in tens of thousands of culture war youtube viewers as customers that could be courted.
Methodology
As always, the bulk of the data was scraped off of CreatorGo.com, which in turn scrapes them from IndieGoGo. Figures are pulled from the site on a semi-regular basis so a true number of how much money was made over a year by both campaigns launched over the year and campaigns left in InDemand over said year (CreatorGo doesn't do this). This year presented a new challenge as a growing number of creators (Billy Tucci, Adam Lawson, Jon del Arroz) turned to Kickstarter for crowdfunding, as well as creators like Mandy Summers who have broke into hosting crowdfunds on their own sites. These were all manually entered.
Overview:
Adjusting for non-CG entries in CreatorGo, Comicsgate made $5.03M in 2022 vs $.5.13M over the course of 2021, a decrease of -2.02%. The diagnosis of "Comicsgate is stable/stagnating" alone would be welcome news for 2022 after the rapid collapse (-28.1%) of CG over the course of 2021, where between Frog, Meyer, Cecil RGE, Fraga, Stoker, Weathers, GP5, etc, the term "Top Comicsgate Creator" became synonymous with "failure to deliver anything". After such a collapse of customer confidence, putting a tourniquet on the flow of backer dollars is a victory in of itself.
Yet, breaking down which creators grew and which shrank (something recommended to me by Nasser), something interesting makes itself clear:
Creator | 2022 Total | 2021 Total | 2020 Total | 2022-2021 Difference | Diff From Peak |
Ethan Van Sciver | $532,655.00 | $1,231,535.00 | $2,188,390.00 | -$698,880.00 | -75.66% |
Richard C Meyer | $411,610.00 | $279,660.00 | $820,040.00 | $131,950.00 | -49.81% |
Jon Malin | $289,555.00 | $379,490.00 | $265,315.00 | -$89,935.00 | -23.70% |
Billy Tucci | $287,677.00 | $282,262.00 | $0.00 | $5,415.00 | 1.92% |
Shane Davis | $273,635.00 | $280,650.00 | $88,050.00 | -$7,015.00 | -2.50% |
Graham Nolan | $243,440.00 | $133,200.00 | $88,350.00 | $110,240.00 | 82.76% |
Adam Lawson | $200,493.00 | $4,440.00 | $0.00 | $196,053.00 | 4415.61% |
Aaron Lopresti | $165,875.00 | $116,400.00 | $0.00 | $49,475.00 | 42.50% |
Irene Strychalski | $163,965.00 | $35,875.00 | $0.00 | $128,090.00 | 357.05% |
ThatUmbrellaGuy | $159,000.00 | $8,100.00 | $150,200.00 | $150,900.00 | 5.86% |
Mandy Summers | $149,865.00 | $122,905.00 | $39,330.00 | $26,960.00 | 21.94% |
Kenneth Rocafort | $139,955.00 | $84,935.00 | $0.00 | $55,020.00 | 64.78% |
Gabe Eltaeb | $129,600.00 | $0.00 | $0.00 | $129,600.00 | New |
Mike Baron | $123,900.00 | $29,600.00 | $0.00 | $94,300.00 | 318.58% |
Alterna Comics | $111,745.71 | $30,941.51 | $0.00 | $80,804.20 | 261.15% |
Patrick Thomas Parnell | $109,022.13 | $81,690.78 | $38,080.95 | $27,331.35 | 33.46% |
Clownfish Studios** | $100,050.00 | $84,180.00 | $0.00 | $15,870.00 | 18.85% |
Von Klaus* | $91,170.00 | $1.00 | $0.00 | $91,169.00 | |
Andy Smith | $88,490.00 | $62,884.00 | $2,784.00 | $25,606.00 | 40.72% |
Narwhal | $82,840.00 | $84,600.00 | $41,550.00 | -$1,760.00 | -2.08% |
Allegiance Arts** | $64,950.00 | $0.00 | $0.00 | $64,950.00 | New |
John J Ball | $60,250.00 | $19,100.00 | $0.00 | $41,150.00 | 215.45% |
Joe M Sonntag | $55,800.00 | $0.00 | $0.00 | $55,800.00 | New |
Jon Del Arroz | $55,684.00 | $27,400.00 | $0.00 | $28,284.00 | 103.23% |
Phillip Diaz | $50,790.00 | $62,040.00 | $30,810.00 | -$11,250.00 | -18.13% |
Mark Poulton | $47,950.00 | $107,225.00 | $20,620.00 | -$59,275.00 | -55.28% |
Ascendant Comics LLC | $46,900.00 | $0.00 | $0.00 | $46,900.00 | New |
Matthew Fowler | $39,440.00 | $5,460.00 | $6,845.00 | $33,980.00 | 476.19% |
Ben Templesmith** | $37,900.00 | $0.00 | $0.00 | $37,900.00 | New |
Camel Moon | $30,480.00 | $4,180.00 | $47,140.00 | $26,300.00 | -35.34% |
Cody Fernandez | $28,985.00 | $0.00 | $0.00 | $28,985.00 | New |
Literature Devil* | $28,500.00 | $0.00 | $0.00 | $28,500.00 | New* |
Clint Hilinski | $27,960.00 | $40,075.00 | $0.00 | -$12,115.00 | -30.23% |
Art Thibert | $27,840.00 | $92,160.00 | $37,945.00 | -$64,320.00 | -69.79% |
Dave Brink | $27,297.30 | $18,187.62 | $9,082.32 | $9,109.68 | 50.09% |
Charlie's London | $25,914.25 | $14,454.63 | $42,106.68 | $11,459.62 | -38.46% |
Clint Stoker | $25,600.00 | $56,410.00 | $133,520.00 | -$30,810.00 | -80.83% |
Black Dragon Comics | $23,680.00 | $20,995.00 | $0.00 | $2,685.00 | 12.79% |
Justin Murphy | $23,165.00 | $32,200.00 | $20,500.00 | -$9,035.00 | -28.06% |
Brian Christgau | $22,920.00 | $11,820.00 | $18,560.00 | $11,100.00 | 23.49% |
Raging Golden Eagle | $22,845.00 | $80,100.00 | $250,715.00 | -$57,255.00 | -90.89% |
Micah Curtis | $18,150.00 | $25,270.00 | $22,330.00 | -$7,120.00 | -28.18% |
Luke Stone | $18,117.00 | $8,258.00 | $6,150.00 | $9,859.00 | 119.39% |
Rich Ayala | $16,470.00 | $0.00 | $0.00 | $16,470.00 | New |
Jason Bascom | $15,980.00 | $13,125.00 | $9,600.00 | $2,855.00 | 21.75% |
Chimera | $15,840.00 | $0.00 | $0.00 | $15,840.00 | New |
Shanth Enjeti Art | $15,050.00 | $18,100.00 | $0.00 | -$3,050.00 | -16.85% |
Jeff Hicks | $15,000.00 | $76,800.00 | $0.00 | -$61,800.00 | -80.47% |
Barton Bros Studios | $13,944.08 | $3,143.06 | $27,583.90 | $10,801.02 | -49.45% |
Billy Nunez | $13,250.00 | $16,810.00 | $0.00 | -$3,560.00 | -21.18% |
Eric Weathers | $12,430.00 | $15,965.00 | $86,480.00 | -$3,535.00 | -85.63% |
David Dominguez | $12,250.00 | $0.00 | $0.00 | $12,250.00 | New |
Brenden Swan | $12,180.00 | $6,790.00 | $1,725.00 | $5,390.00 | 79.38% |
Airith Saga | $11,986.68 | $10,800.00 | $0.00 | $1,186.68 | 10.99% |
nasser rabadi | $11,260.00 | $23,725.00 | $4,345.00 | -$12,465.00 | -52.54% |
Commi3 Mark | $11,095.82 | $4,063.42 | $5,376.57 | $7,032.40 | 106.37% |
Dean Gibson | $10,788.00 | $10,188.00 | $0.00 | $600.00 | 5.89% |
Michael Oden | $10,368.00 | $15,390.00 | $16,560.00 | -$5,022.00 | -37.39% |
Matt Crotts | $9,930.00 | $11,725.00 | $0.00 | -$1,795.00 | -15.31% |
TaleEnd Studio | $9,630.00 | $5,550.00 | $0.00 | $4,080.00 | 73.51% |
Esoteric Skull | $9,400.00 | $0.00 | $0.00 | $9,400.00 | New |
656 Comics | $9,190.00 | $0.00 | $5,460.00 | $9,190.00 | 68.32% |
Noah Mactutus | $9,080.00 | $1,190.00 | $1,005.00 | $7,890.00 | 663.03% |
Simon Pothier | $8,995.68 | $10,110.00 | $0.00 | -$1,114.32 | -11.02% |
GILLY WRITES COMICS | $8,925.00 | $1,250.00 | $4,250.00 | $7,675.00 | 110.00% |
MissRena | $8,800.00 | $0.00 | $0.00 | $8,800.00 | New |
Scott McCullough | $8,500.00 | $13,700.00 | $0.00 | -$5,200.00 | -37.96% |
Justin Belmont | $8,150.00 | $0.00 | $0.00 | $8,150.00 | New |
Aardvark | $8,025.00 | $0.00 | $0.00 | $8,025.00 | New |
Zade Studios LLC | $7,860.00 | $0.00 | $0.00 | $7,860.00 | New |
Edwin Acevedo | $7,850.00 | $7,280.00 | $0.00 | $570.00 | 7.83% |
Keith Gleason | $7,750.00 | $0.00 | $0.00 | $7,750.00 | New |
Stephan (Oasi. V) Velez | $7,680.00 | $0.00 | $0.00 | $7,680.00 | New |
David Feed | $7,671.47 | $5,582.80 | $4,495.65 | $2,088.67 | 37.41% |
Dan Plegel | $7,600.00 | $14,300.00 | $0.00 | -$6,700.00 | -46.85% |
STEVE DYE | $7,250.00 | $7,300.00 | $0.00 | -$50.00 | -0.68% |
Rob Shaffer | $7,150.00 | $2,150.00 | $0.00 | $5,000.00 | 232.56% |
Michael Murphy | $6,930.00 | $990.00 | $12,420.00 | $5,940.00 | -44.20% |
matthew simecek | $6,570.00 | $0.00 | $0.00 | $6,570.00 | New |
Brian Menard | $6,100.00 | $8,820.00 | $0.00 | -$2,720.00 | -30.84% |
Vinnie Tartamella | $6,080.00 | $16,440.00 | $39,315.00 | -$10,360.00 | -84.54% |
Vic King | $5,450.00 | $0.00 | $0.00 | $5,450.00 | New |
Comics Du Nord | $5,440.00 | $6,020.00 | $0.00 | -$580.00 | -9.63% |
Mad Ruth Comics | $5,365.00 | $0.00 | $0.00 | $5,365.00 | New |
Adam Friended | $5,250.00 | $53,700.00 | $0.00 | -$48,450.00 | -90.22% |
Ciderverse Entertainment | $5,244.00 | $4,030.00 | $0.00 | $1,214.00 | 30.12% |
** - Not included in final total, but held on for reference.
Specifically, it behooves this autistic statistician to take into account Frog's fundraising decline from $2.1M in 2020 to $1.2M in 2021 to $532K this year, so that a true account of how the rest of the movement is performing beyond its leader. And the results (removing Frog and Meyer from the equation) show that some measure of recovery and growth is happening. Adjusting for that, Non-Frog+Zack Comicsgate in 2022 made $4.08M across 132 campaigns vs $3.6M across 172 campaigns in 2021. An increase of 11.3% in overall gross raised. So I would call 2022 as a successful year for Comicsgate as a whole.
Detractors like Smiller point out that fewer CG campaigns are cracking the IndieGoGo Top 25 as proof that the movement is in stagnation. A better metric I'd argue is that only 9 campaigns between 7 creators raised $100k+ in 2021, whereas in 2022 there were 17 campaigns by 12 creators making over 100k. More creators able to make a living creating with more money overall sounds like growth to me.
Blacklist:
The IndieGoGo Blacklist was something else new that began in late 2022, but the data I believe vindicates my initial reaction; that Comicsgate's business model is about self-marketing creators bringing customers to the payment processor themselves through their platform instead of relying on search algorithms, and that burning bridges for a processor willing to take CG money and host their campaigns on the altar of youtube clicks was perhaps shortsighted. In December 2022 for example, all five of the top five grossing CG campaigns of the month were blacklisted. It doesn't seem to have been a big impediment to moving books.
In all, 2022 can be characterized by two main things: first is the decline in fundraising of the top three figures in Comicsgate (Frog, Meyer and Malin), with no uniform cause as to why this is so. Each will face unique challenges going forward into 2023 (I'll get into this shortly).
The other is the triumph of Frog's Comicsgate Kings initiative and a great vindication of the two years of effort he spent building it up. Even when they were going on Frog's show at first, I never thought I'd see the day where figures like Graham Nolan or Mike Baron actually carrying the banner on Fox News or even enraging Nerdrotic by extolling the virtues of CG on FNT. They're definitely some of the biggest public outreach efforts 'the movement' has made over the past year, by people I'd never expect to be the ones to do it. Nolan, Baron, Davis, Strychalski, Andy Smith, Eltaeb, Panell, Lopresti and Rocafort all had major growth over 2022. At least from a business perspective, it is an unqualified success.
Finally, some observation on noteworthy individuals going into 2022:
- Frog, in the face of no Rekt Planet, no Reignbow the Brute, no action figures and no Snowman, is finding himself scraping the bottom of merchandising for 2022. 2023 had a 12 hour telethon for ballcaps. But where does Frog go from here? Cyberfrog pogs? Heather Swain-brand tampons? Yet despite this, a Van Sciver even at 1/4 power is still is the undisputed king of this sector. For now anyway. Merely making 25% of what he was in 2020, should Frog's market trajectory continue the way it has been for the past 3 years, his primacy in the niche market of anti-SJW counterculture comic books even within CG is going to fall into question.
Thankfully (for him), there seems to be a light at the end of this long tunnel of dicking around and low-effort livestreaming. Frog has his own personal fulfillment service and warehouse set up, he has physical proof copies of both Rekt Planet and the Cyberfrog Action Figures (2020 and 2021's highest grossing campaigns respectively) which are at the finalization stage. He even has the Comicsgate trademark wrested away from Preston Poulter. Things finally seem aligned for Frog, and to an extent the movement as a whole, to move forward. But move forward into what?
The landscape in 2023 CG is unrecognizable from when Rekt Planet was launched in early 2020, or even when the action figures were launched back in 2021. Seeing his success, a slew of bigger, louder and frankly much more disciplined Youtubers are hopping on board the anti-SJW indie comic train where he'll have to compete for his own niche against a lot of people who by and large are not very well disposed towards him. That, combined with being burdened by a history of less than stellar customer service against a murderer's row of hypemen with clean slates, all adds up to little assurance that yesteryear's success and status as top dog will continue. Whatever the outcome, 2023 is shaping up to be a pivotal year for Frog, and through his oversized influence, CG's future a whole. It may well be the year.
- Zack reclaimed his #2 spot in CG in 2022 (he was the #6 creator in 2021) and went from $276K the previous year to $416K. By that standard he had a good year. But it took him everything and the kitchen sink to do it, putting out a new Jawbreakers graphic novel, releasing his back catalog of comics and unveiling Rambo), an apples-to-apples comparison to his release of Jawbreakers: Grand Bizarre and Expendables go to Hell, but for only half the money said projects took in ($876K in 2020). By that metric, Meyer had a terrible year.
I withheld judgement on Meyer's decision to release Jawbreakers Forever for a dollar at the time; I was somewhat aware of his upcoming Rambo project and figured JF as loss leader could be a way of bringing back all the customers who left between the 4400 backers of Jawbreakers Lost Souls and the ~1000 backers he seemed locked at for the prior year. The work itself seemed credible, with high level artists getting paid in advance to have the book ready at launch. Given a fair shot, the stunt might propel Meyer to where he was before he made all those unforced errors. It didn't - as of Jan 1st 2023, First Kill sits at 1581 backers, a mere 114 backers over 499, for what should be a high-profile book that involves numerous bonafide celebrities, including Stallone, Dale Keowne and Critical Drinker. It's going to be a long walk back for Simple Zack.
- Jon Malin While mainly known for his calls for everyone to grab an oar, another Malin mainstay are the calls for people not to rock the boat. A drunk, self-assured and contented Malin came into 2022, his secured role Graveyard Shift publisher and first comic professional to cross the aisle to Comicsgate rightfully placing him in the highest echelons of a movement he feels he risked it all getting it off the ground. One imagines he'd be happy keeping things the way they are forever, and it's hard to argue otherwise given Malin's history of obstinate resistance to any change to the social order by including formerly verboten people returning to the circle, or people using crowdfund platforms or methods other than good ole loyal Indiegogo. But change seems to be coming Jon's way whether he likes it or not.
Coming into 2022 with conservative, realistic goals like higher page counts with the same price point, timely delivery and overall increased output, the man of oar... optimistically launched multiple campaigns on sloppy drunkstreams with trailers which amounted to self-aware shitposts. Malin's ambassadorial efforts via the JACK show are the stuff of legend, just shitting on the likes of Quartering and Brittany Venti to the point where they won't come on the show any more. And yet despite Malin's obvious overweening confidence to the contrary, Graveyard Shift 4 underperformed in comparison to GY3, and his stand-alone Graveyard Shift companion piece Omega Storm was a grueling crawl from 40K to $125K by the time of the campaign close, a very low take for a 144 page project. The end result was that Malin made $90K less in 2022 than he did in 2021, despite doubling his output with two graphic novels in one year. On top of that, his beloved Indiegogo blacklisted him for no given reason.
The precise reason for this decline isn't exactly clear, whether it's the non-comics related nature of his platform, the increased competition from the Comicsgate Kings, poor or non-existent marketing or fatigue with Graveyard Shift as a franchise (Poulton's stock also went down drastically in 2022), but it's clear that Malin is going to have to change something, no matter how much he may not want to.
- Graham Nolan While Shane Davis gets the lion's share of spotlight as the new CG wunderkind, the creator of Bane is not far behind him at this point, raising just shy of $250K between the anthology Two Fisted Manly Tales and the unpronounceable 70s shlock horror tribute Ghosts of Matacumbe Key, placing him squarely in Malin and Davis prominence as far as crowdfunding goes.
- Billy Tucci & Shane Davis sort of did the same things they did last year and made roughly the same amount of money. If something's not broke don't fix it.
- TUG also made roughly the same amount he did back in 2020 with his previous comic despite quadrupling his subscribers, which strikes me as odd. I guess his new audience doesn't back books.
- Finally, Adam Lawson takes the award for the biggest dark horse of 2022 with Wesley Snipes' The Exiled. The Slumtown Comicsgater that could, Lawson went from raising $4400 in all of 2021 to signing Wesley Snipes (!) on a Comicsgate project, outraising most of the Comicsgate Kings at just over 200K and even outperforming Richard C. Meyer with zero connections, money or an established IP like Rambo to claim the title of most successful celebrity-endorsed Comicsgate title (Smiller still holds the crown with Shadow of the Conqueror though). Without a doubt the biggest success story of CG 2022.
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Meanwhile, Dick Masterson's fans posted 'fanart' of Isom getting George Floyded by Vito Gesuldi's OC all over Heather Antos' timeline (she wanted to know about some 'cool new comic characters'). This set off such a shitstorm that Antos' twitter is currently set to protected mode while she sweeps it up. Eric July fans are at present poorly disguising how assblasted they are by all this/yelling about how racist "the haters" are.
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I'm loving the merch, personally.
Regarding Hats
I believe it to be the missing piece that's going to make it all happen for @FROG and CG in a big big way going forward. It's key to fully immanentizing his purpose which is to be a carnival barker with a bad dye job taking money off rubes walking down the midway. Yes, the upstart Rippa was a bit quicker establishing himself here (if you'd call two years "quick") by dint of understanding what business they're all actually in (YouTubers harvesting superchats and shilling cheap merchandise based on "fictional universes" created with all the passion and artistic integrity of the Burger King Kids Club Gang) and then taking dead-aim on comics as a lower barrier of entry access point while using countless hours of dunking booth / talking head political media broadcasting to function as the longest of sales pitches where you're slowly invested in Brand™ and It's Story™. Now granted CG generally is made up of individuals with real comics cred. Don't get it twist. However, the Johnny- and Jamal-come-latelies like YoungRippa and his friends in the FNT/G+G grift sphere have heretofore been more effective and frankly, more relevant. This ends now with really gauche, tacky, abhorrently ugly sportswear.
I realize not everyone necessarily agrees with this, but to me, Ethan is the person I want and expect to rip me off in this particular way. Jeremy Griggs is going sell me lemon of a used Hyundai. Gary is going to steal my wallet to buy meth. Rippa is going to steal my wallet to
I've only caught bits of the past few hat streams, but they've run big and long not unlike shirts and sweaters can. I missed most of Kings so hopefully someone else will come correct with a more comprehensive summary but I did catch some of Jon Malin's POST KANGS and I must say they're doing quite well filling up time with compelling content. For instance, the prolonged music discussion had good banter where contrasting views were expressed and challenged without men in their 30s/40s crying like little bitches (as you might expect on a FlashCast). However, for all the praise afforded to Def Leppard by a supposed fan, I was a bit disappointed that the song/video most in Ethan's wheelhouse (given his intro choices), Women, aka Def Leppard and the Women of Doom was criminally overlooked. Too on the nose perhaps? I can respect that.
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If you're scrubbing through trying to find the meat of POST KANGS, if you've gotten to the part where Ethan (citing a FOIA request by way of someone on Twitter named "Margarita") claims Patrick S. Tomlinson threatened to murder his chick and their unborn kid 12 years ago, then reads a police report where Tomlinson clearly denies it and is instead arrested for disorderly conduct (subsequent to admitting a threat to murder his wife's boyfriend - a marginally more understandable and less heinous accusation), making the alleged threats to his wife and child simple he-said-she-said, you've gone too far. I don't mean Ethan's gone too far. I mean the person looking for the music discussion has gone too far (It's before the dude parasailing on a love seat). Ethan's fine. It's all covered under FOIA and anyone who invokes Freedom of Information Act is basically right about what they're saying so I'm sure the proof is in there somewhere. I trust Ethan. When it comes to these SJW's, where there's smoke there's fire, so, like, he probably did it, you know? Regardless, panel and chat seemed to be more interested in Jon Malin's McDonald's order. Overall it was a good stream, though
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Do they like baseball caps? TUG should explore this if he isn't already.
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I guess the question I have about "comicsgate" and its "earning" is whether the same people are earning money now as last year? If adding new people with established names who were going to crowdfund anyway is how comicsgate had a "successful" 2022, what happens when the old folks home runs out of comicbook artists sometime in 2023?
Some other likely comicsgate recruits have simply gone their own way and done extremely well. Tidal Wave comics being the latest to have national press. The owner publisher of that is good friends with some of the old men in comicsgate like the Shi guy. But Tidal Wave didn't bother to even make the slightest visit or nod to them when he relaunched.
EVS' best achievement out of kings is to have a veneer of professionalism by virtue of those sorts of unburned bridges the other "kings" still have.
Some other likely comicsgate recruits have simply gone their own way and done extremely well. Tidal Wave comics being the latest to have national press. The owner publisher of that is good friends with some of the old men in comicsgate like the Shi guy. But Tidal Wave didn't bother to even make the slightest visit or nod to them when he relaunched.
EVS' best achievement out of kings is to have a veneer of professionalism by virtue of those sorts of unburned bridges the other "kings" still have.
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I did a year-by-year comparison on a per creator basis. The best answer I can give is "some of the same people earned more, others earned less". If established people who were going to successfully crowdfund and fulfill comics anyway decide to join Comicsgate and leave pre-existing people who are unable to either sell or make comics in the dust, I have one word for that: progress. I didn't include it in the spoilered table, but 65 creators in 2020-2021 were inactive in 2022. They're available in the attached spreadsheet though.
The mainstream comic book industry is a famously crooked and ageist one; the talent pool of elderly professionals able to make a comic book who are willing to sit through a three hour Frog livestream about Froskirren farting or whatever just to put food on the table is potentially limitless.
Yeah Billy Tucci's ability to carry on like everything's normal with the rest of the comic industry is one of the funnier things in the CG-adjacent sphere. Like when he offered to broker a direct distribution deal to comic book retailers on behalf of the rest of the Kings over the IGG blacklist.
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Not sure this was mentioned but Mike Baron + the Bounding Into Comics guy Chris Braly are getting the traditional hyperbole-free GFM ready to lolsuit DailyKos for hosting the article that got them kicked of Kickstarter. Truly they are CG now.
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EVS may have quietly reinvented comicsgate, well his version of it, into something useful at long last then. If it allows comic artists a new way to keep their IP and actually bring it out, that is a net positive. It's EVS himself who is the main problem for so many people. A tribute to how good the "kings" are without him is the degree to which his obvious handicaps don't translate to lost money for them.
Typical that EVS has taken the comicsgate name from the founders, the crowdfunding concept from Malin and the people before him and the streaming from Meyer and Nerdrotic. Originality not his strong suit but it works well enough for now.
If Tidal Wave continue as they have begun I could see Tucci and some others going "back" to them because they all worked together closely, with none of the EVS baggage, for several years. Tidal Wave have crossed over with Shi etc. in earlier versions of their IP.
Typical that EVS has taken the comicsgate name from the founders, the crowdfunding concept from Malin and the people before him and the streaming from Meyer and Nerdrotic. Originality not his strong suit but it works well enough for now.
If Tidal Wave continue as they have begun I could see Tucci and some others going "back" to them because they all worked together closely, with none of the EVS baggage, for several years. Tidal Wave have crossed over with Shi etc. in earlier versions of their IP.
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How did he take the crowdfunding concept from Malin? Last I checked, Malin launched his awful books after @FROG launched CF.
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Too bad you put in all this work for kiwi farms. the only people who see this shit is Ethan Van Sciver's audience when he reads it on his show. How much does he pay you?
I do like the demo of your new video game, Based black face on a ginger manlet body. Does Oz art give you royalties?
You dumb Fur Fag, Who did the art in Ya boi Zack's first crowd fund book?
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I wouldn't say he "took" the streaming from these 2, but more so used streaming and perfected it for his needs to build a solid audience of paypiggys. Frog took a basic recipe that pretty much everyone was using and experimented with it. He added a little of this and a little of that, and topped it off with some over the top salt bae esq showmanship.
Honestly(and begrudgingly) I think the reason Frog is so successful is that he is a great salesman. Even when his other products are late, he can still sell something new to his paypiggys. Blood honey was late, yet he was still able to not only sell Rect Planet to people(myself included) but sell more than blood honey.
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He was fortunate to be in the right place at the right time to ride the combination of cancel culture victim and Rose Tico Star Wars outrage.
It's not so much the salesman/showmanship as it is a complete lack of any shame whatsoever.
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Yep this was pretty much the basic recipe back then.
Well salesmen and preformers aren't usually known for their great morals or having shame. That's why I used salesman and not businessman.
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God you’re retarded.
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Was IQ your dump stat?
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FluffyJackal
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Gateway you ignorant slut: Malin was a gun for hire in Meyer's books. Props to the fat beanie homo for taking the chance to accept work from the Simple Zack when he was regarded as an even more aids ridden radioactive leper in the comics industry than he still is today, but if anyone inspired VanSciver about the crowdfunding racket it was Meyer not Malin. Once Malin realized what Zack, Frog and even Smiller could do (and raise) he jumped on the bandwagon.