Plagued /r/TNOmod and the Reddit HOI4 modding community - When a subreddit for a video game mod turns to utter insanity

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Moja Zemlja said:
Why is CSAL even in the mod? The founder didn't get his wacko "fuck the jews" vision until 1978 and it wasn't until 1983 that they started to actually do shit.
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Rome's rightful successor said:
They wanted a religion bad faction even if it doesn't makes sense within it's context.
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Pretty much that + they also didn't want to depict a proper Neo-Nazi faction with a guy like Rockwell at the helm, to my understanding. The CSAL being both apocalyptic Christian fundamentalists and white supremacists basically meant they were a good option (as far as the devs were concerned) to kill two birds with one stone - now they can have a faction that's both 'Christianity bad' and 'Nazis bad' without having to include actual Neo-Nazis of historical prominence.
Grave Ghost said:
Did they remove Manson as well?
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Manson is still in AFAIK, although he's yet another failstate who is doomed to implode even if he somehow defeats all opposition to unite California.
 
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Rome's rightful successor said:
Honestly Kaiserworld looks pretty fun, the devs for it are quite level headed, and the mod is the long term consequences of your typical Kaiserredux playthrough so it has to be fun.
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Oh yeah don't get me wrong I like the look of it, you're right that its a very level headed take on what a sequel to KR would look like but they seem a bit too memey. Sometimes looking at their discord it feels like a reddit circlejerk.
 
Corpun said:
Maybe there was only one but I vaguely remember there being another retarded toozer mod that was a Syndie victory back when I lurked on r/Kaiserreich.
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Maybe you're thinking of L'Ordre Nouveau (Russian-language mod, been dead for a while)? Or maybe Razdor (prides itself on being better than Krasnacht, but hasn't posted a teaser in months)?
 
Chuckwagon said:
There is this strange delusion among many HOI4 modders that they absolutely can't depict those they consider to be historical 'bad guys' in a positive light, or even at all in some cases, because to do so might actually convince impressionable players that maybe fascism or Nazism whatever is a good idea, nor can they stand the idea of letting the chuds derive any enjoyment (however unintentional) from playing 'their guys'.
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I just wish Hearts of Iron modding didn't get infected with this mindset by the widespread popularity of TNO. The rumblings were always there, but it really came out in full force after that shitstain of a mod, and now almost nothing good has come out of the scene in years. If you want to write more complex character stories into your HOI4 mod to make the buttons you're pressing mean more, by all means go ahead, that's not an inherently terrible idea. The problem, is that almost all mod devs aren't very good writers, and beyond that they're usually Autistic Ideologues who use ideology as a means of parsing complex ideas and people in a way that is simple and palatable to them.

I don't use Autistic as a throwaway term, if you look at the way these people act, write, and think, it kind of becomes obvious that they just do not have the ability to understand the world beyond what they're favorite politics daddy says, or parse people either. No one is written as a character or a person in mods like these, they're written either as an ideal ubermensch of their chosen brain poison, or as parody meant to whip you into a frenzy of hatred.

People aren't ideal ubermensch though, they're people. They've got foibles and quirks and idiosyncrasies that make them interesting. Simo Hayha wasn't a hate filled bile spitting antisemite, despite having fought in the SS. He did it to fight the Russians after his country had signed a peace agreement, and the SS would let him in. MacArthur wasn't just a bull charging football coach esque general who would have fallen in with the "racist establishment" like a lot of mods like to portray him as. As someone else earlier in the thread said, he was against segregation in his army because it reduced unit cohesion and morale, I doubt he would fight for or with anyone who was early KKK tier racist, despite what mod authors like to think. It's telling that these people only really understand political archetypes.

I guess what i'm getting at is that Hoi4 modding was doomed to autistic ideological purity spiraling from both left and right, as extremists of both varieties are generally horrible people who have no principles to derive political opinion from, and so must pick an ideology to give them a framework to understand the world and people. When an entire community becomes infested with ideologues, eventually normal people can't make a difference anymore.
 
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TNO Goldwater is a cucked and nerfed version of someone who would have been the most based and redpilled modern president. They have to try so hard to make union-busting and deregulation seem like bad things, I'm surprised it isn't coded to immediately destroy your economy because nobody can buy their funko pops anymore. Every leftoid mod that takes place in the 60s has to make him some dumbass who either wants to immediately cause a nuclear apocalypse or a spineless capitalist who has some decent environmentalist policies.

TNO has squandered the two best possible American presidents (Goldwater and Kirkpatrick) that could really have "TNO-style" major power gameplay based on having 50 proxy wars going at the same time. Imagine if the CIA wasn't a stupid fucking decision that you press every once in a while. But then people would actually want to play as neocons, so of course they can't include that in the mod. Instead you get pushed to play as radical leftist LBJ or mega gay RFK.
 
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Resident Cheeser said:
TNO Goldwater is a cucked and nerfed version of someone who would have been the most based and redpilled modern president
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The "someone" in question
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Crossover from the Youtube Historians/HistoryTube/PopHistory thread in Multimedia.

Blast from the distant past of Late 2020-Early 2021 but the Youtuber JustTheFacts who once made a video calling out TNO for its design choices among other things has been accused of being a groomer:
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He has deleted his Youtuber, Discord and Twitter and I think it is not likely anything he made was archived due to the speed of the deletions and his channel size.
 
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Breadbassket said:
Crossover from the Youtube Historians/HistoryTube/PopHistory thread in Multimedia.

Blast from the distant past of Late 2020-Early 2021 but the Youtuber JustTheFacts who once made a video calling out TNO for its design choices among other things has been accused of being a groomer:
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He has deleted his Youtuber, Discord and Twitter and I think it is not likely anything he made was archived due to the speed of the deletions and his channel size.
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Nooooo not the funny wojak man
 
Breadbassket said:
Blast from the distant past of Late 2020-Early 2021 but the Youtuber JustTheFacts who once made a video calling out TNO for its design choices among other things has been accused of being a groomer

He has deleted his Youtuber, Discord and Twitter and I think it is not likely anything he made was archived due to the speed of the deletions and his channel size.
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Damn, that's such a fucking shame, was nice to have something contraianin in this community for once even if that was all he did. Hope he burns though
 
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