A decades-long broken economy screwed over millennials, and their decision to delay having kids is fueling America’s historically low birth rate - Amazingly, they aren't blaming avocado toast this time


Birth rates are falling in the U.S. After the highs of the baby boom in the mid-20th century and the lows of the baby bust in the 1970s, birth rates were relatively stable for nearly 50 years. But during the Great Recession, from 2007-2009, birth rates declined sharply—and they’ve kept falling. In 2007, average birth rates were right around 2 children per woman. By 2021, levels had dropped more than 20%, close to the lowest level in a century. Why?

Is this decline because, as some suggest, young people aren’t interested in having children? Or are people facing increasing barriers to becoming parents?

We are demographers who study how people make plans for having kids and whether they are able to carry out those intentions.

In a recent study, we analyzed how changes in childbearing goals may have contributed to recent declines in birth rates in the United States. Our analysis found that most young people still plan to become parents but are delaying childbearing.
Digging into the demographic data

We were interested in whether people have changed their plans for childbearing over the past few decades. And we knew from other research that the way people think about having children changes as they get older and their circumstances change. Some people initially think they’ll have children, then gradually change their views over time, perhaps because they don’t meet the right partner or because they work in demanding fields. Others don’t expect to have children at one point but later find themselves desiring to have children or, sometimes, unexpectedly pregnant.

So we needed to analyze both changes over time—comparing young people now to those in the past, and changes across the life course—comparing a group of people at different ages. No single data set contains enough information to make both of those comparisons, so we combined information from multiple surveys.

Since the 1970s, the National Surveys of Family Growth, a federal survey run by the National Centers for Health Statistics, have been asking people about their childbearing goals and behaviors. The survey doesn’t collect data from the same people over time, but it provides a snapshot of the U.S. population about every five years.

Using multiple rounds of the survey, we are able to track what’s happening, on average, among people born around the same time—what demographers call a “cohort”—as they pass through their childbearing years.

For this study, we looked at 13 cohorts of women and 10 cohorts of men born between the 1960s and the 2000s. We followed these cohorts to track whether members intended to have any children and the average number of children they intended, starting at age 15 and going up to the most recent data collected through 2019.

We found remarkable consistency in childbearing goals across cohorts. For example, if we look at teenage girls in the 1980s—the cohort born in 1965-69—they planned to have 2.2 children on average. Among the same age group in the early 21st century—the cohort born in 1995-1999—girls intended to have 2.1 children on average. Slightly more young people plan to have no children now than 30 years ago, but still, the vast majority of U.S. young adults plan to have kids: about 88% of teenage girls and 89% of teenage boys.

We also found that as they themselves get older, people plan to have fewer children, but not by much. This pattern was also pretty consistent across cohorts. Among those born in 1975-79, for instance, men and women when they were age 20-24 planned to have an average of 2.3 and 2.5 children, respectively. These averages fell slightly, to 2.1 children for men and 2.2 children for women, by the time respondents were 35-39. Still, overwhelmingly, most Americans plan to have children, and the average intended number of children is right around 2.

So, if childbearing goals haven’t changed much, why are birth rates declining?
What keeps people from their target family size?

Our study can’t directly address why birth rates are going down, but we can propose some explanations based on other research.

In part, this decline is good news. There are fewer unintended births than there were 30 years ago, a decrease linked to increasing use of effective contraceptive methods like IUDs and implants and improved insurance coverage from the Affordable Care Act.

Compared with earlier eras, people today start having their children later. These delays also contribute to declining birth rates: Because people start later, they have less time to meet their childbearing goals before they reach biological or social age limits for having kids. As people wait longer to start having children, they are also more likely to change their minds about parenting.

But why are people getting a later start on having kids? We hypothesize that Americans see parenthood as harder to manage than they might have in the past.

Although the U.S. economy overall recovered after the Great Recession, many young people, in particular, feel uncertain about their ability to achieve some of the things they see as necessary for having children, including a good job, a stable relationship, and safe, affordable housing.

At the same time, the costs of raising children—from child care and housing to college education—are rising. And parents may feel more pressure to live up to high-intensive parenting standards and prepare their children for an uncertain world.

And while our data doesn’t cover the last three years, the COVID-19 pandemic may have increased feelings of instability by exposing the lack of support for American parents.

For many parents and would-be parents, the “right time” to have a child, or have another child, may feel increasingly out of reach—no matter their ideal family size.

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Some real howlers in this 'news' article. It's like they're desperately pretending to be too stupid to notice the causes of birthrates falling off a cliff.
 
Maybe all the 1990s and 2000s era non stop fear mongering about overpopulation and how epic the "child free" life would be was a bad idea.
It's purely financial. No one is choosing not to have kids because of some kind of BS they talk about in the media or leftist environmental propaganda. They don't have kids because they can't afford it. White people aren't like niggers. They don't have kids they can't afford to take care of. At least not the nigger tier ones. There are still some nigger tier white people out there having kids and dooming them to the same miserable life of poverty they live in. There just isn't enough of them. It's where you see some young white woman that went around town fucking all the Chad NEET's and they end up pregnant and living on bennies from big daddy government. Big dadd government loves single mothers. Though the black ones tend to get more so the love isn't equally dispersed. Its race based.

No one is paying white people to breed. The government only pays niggers and beaners to breed.
 
It's purely financial. No one is choosing not to have kids because of some kind of BS they talk about in the media or leftist environmental propaganda. They don't have kids because they can't afford it. White people aren't like niggers. They don't have kids they can't afford to take care of. At least not the nigger tier ones. There are still some nigger tier white people out there having kids and dooming them to the same miserable life of poverty they live in. There just isn't enough of them. It's where you see some young white woman that went around town fucking all the Chad NEET's and they end up pregnant and living on bennies from big daddy government. Big dadd government loves single mothers. Though the black ones tend to get more so the love isn't equally dispersed. Its race based.

No one is paying white people to breed. The government only pays niggers and beaners to breed.
Anyone can get WIC and Foodstamps, at least in the United States. The idea of raising a kid in the millennial generation is seen as a troublesome burden as demonstrated in media. Raising a child on a middle class income isn't impossible or very difficult, at least in the US.
 
Anyone can get WIC and Foodstamps, at least in the United States. The idea of raising a kid in the millennial generation is seen as a troublesome burden as demonstrated in media. Raising a child on a middle class income isn't impossible or very difficult, at least in the US.
Yes you can. But you can't pay your rent and bills with WIC and foodstamps. You can't pay for daycare with WIC and foodstamps. They only give you so much in Foodstamps anyway. It's not enough to even bother with. Especially for whites. Now niggers and beaners get loaded up. They get help wif day rent and sheeeeeeiiiit. Big daddy government even helps them with their utility bill. Niggers and beaners run their AC and leave their doors open and shit like that. I know because I have seen it.

Like I said it's an economic/financial decision. Millennials don't have kids because they can't afford it. Yes, it is a troublesome financial burden. Especially when you are in your 30's and still doing the whole roommate communal living thing. Hell, I know some really young gen X types that are in their early 40's and living with roommates.
 
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Step 1. Make everything unstable through reckless....Everything.
Step 2. Require stability for any meaningful advancements in life.

Like fuck, we've gotten to the point where "living beyond your means" simply means you want to have Cable, Internet, a Phone and a Car at the same time. Heaven help you if you're welfare or public assistance. You'll get trapped in the system unable to get off of it. Need public assistance for a month? You'll be paying it back for 4 months. Meanwhile, immigrants and jewish welfare queens pumping out more babies than hispanic women get a free ride and a free check every year. But we're not supposed to discuss that. We're supposed to look at the black community and blame them for the problems.
There's enough blame to go around for all three demographics, trust me.
 
Honestly, the amount of guys here like “women are enormous bitches because they won't have my kid, they've literally destroyed society. Not my extreme rage towards them which they can see in advance, no it’s their fault for not just doing it anyway while I run my mouth off about how they’re vile whores/soulless career whores.” Whether you genuinely believe this or not - is it realistic to expect women to ignore it? It is why you’re facing this issue. Not men in general, but the genuine loons in this thread.

We live in a world where we see what others truly believe online before we engage with them in the real world. There’s a stubborn idea that women are evil for being alarmed at guys expressing these sentiments. Many women meet a guy, like him, plan a date then happen to find a screed online about how women destroyed the world and need to get back to breeding. Nasty whores! Women obviously recoil from this, and the response is always to tell them that they’re bad, stupid people for choosing not to take the risk rather than looking within.

I'm not saying men are evil or women are perfect, or there aren’t plenty of things women can work on too. I just don’t get how those types of blokes are shocked that woman don’t want to be around men who say things like “women just fucking suck! Whores!!!” whilst rather ironically claiming that the society has brainwashed women to hate men and how that bothers them. If you don't want to be around women who say things like “men are garbage,” why are women then ruining life as we know it by choosing to avoid men who say the exact same thing about them? It’s human nature to avoid people like that. Maybe guys like that don't realise just how easy it is to fund this stuff on their social media, or maybe they don't understand how careful women tend to be in general so they look first. No one wants to be around someone who hates them. It's not that hard. It's why women who say similar stuff are single too, it isn't a conspiracy against you - just no one likes a bitter asshole.
 
Huh, are people still unaware that the government literally pays you 2k/kid and that you can get half of daycare/babysitting costs refunded as a tax credit?

I love tax season.
1) 2k is nothing when you have a kid and actually try to support them. (Though poors like you love the 2k a kid redistribution check sent to them)

2) they dont give you half. I dropped 7k and got 500 bucks as credit.
 
Many women meet a guy, like him, plan a date then happen to find a screed online about how women destroyed the world and need to get back to breeding. Nasty whores! Women obviously recoil from this, and the response is always to tell them that they’re bad, stupid people for choosing not to take the risk rather than looking within.

I'm sure this happens but I don't think it's as widespread as you're making it seem. There are lots of guys who don't put much into misogyny and have healthy social lives who have problems dating.

And also, the "women belong in the kitchen" guys can easily land attractive women -- especially if they have money. No one likes a bitter asshole, that's true, but you have to do much more than 'not be a bitter asshole' to attract a woman.
 
Honestly, the amount of guys here like “women are enormous bitches because they won't have my kid, they've literally destroyed society. Not my extreme rage towards them which they can see in advance, no it’s their fault for not just doing it anyway while I run my mouth off about how they’re vile whores/soulless career whores.” Whether you genuinely believe this or not - is it realistic to expect women to ignore it? It is why you’re facing this issue. Not men in general, but the genuine loons in this thread.

We live in a world where we see what others truly believe online before we engage with them in the real world. There’s a stubborn idea that women are evil for being alarmed at guys expressing these sentiments. Many women meet a guy, like him, plan a date then happen to find a screed online about how women destroyed the world and need to get back to breeding. Nasty whores! Women obviously recoil from this, and the response is always to tell them that they’re bad, stupid people for choosing not to take the risk rather than looking within.

I'm not saying men are evil or women are perfect, or there aren’t plenty of things women can work on too. I just don’t get how those types of blokes are shocked that woman don’t want to be around men who say things like “women just fucking suck! Whores!!!” whilst rather ironically claiming that the society has brainwashed women to hate men and how that bothers them. If you don't want to be around women who say things like “men are garbage,” why are women then ruining life as we know it by choosing to avoid men who say the exact same thing about them? It’s human nature to avoid people like that. Maybe guys like that don't realise just how easy it is to fund this stuff on their social media, or maybe they don't understand how careful women tend to be in general so they look first. No one wants to be around someone who hates them. It's not that hard. It's why women who say similar stuff are single too, it isn't a conspiracy against you - just no one likes a bitter asshole.
Some of the most 'toxic' misogynistic men get untold amounts of female attention.
 
Some of the most 'toxic' misogynistic men get untold amounts of female attention.
Literally THE top 2 most reliable ways to get female attention are to be Chad or to be a toxic/Tyrone jackknob. Women love 'bad boys' more than a clearance sale on makeup and clothing.

It makes sense in a twisted way - since feminism destroyed the female need for decent men, why NOT go for the 'exciting' as a hobby? Even when Mr. Exciting puts you in the battered women's shelter while filing for divorce & a restraining order. Surely next time will go better.

I have seen it with my own eyes. Even challenged a couple woman to their face -"you know...there IS a guy who can take a bath, hold a job, and not treat you like shit. He's standing right in front of you."

One woman managed to shut off her hamster wheels. And I'm told even getting that much was so lucky it probably glitched the matrix.
 
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Don't you think the idea that we need even more people sounds just kinda stupid?
People die, you know? Entire generations age out of life. People retire out of the workforce, voluntarily or otherwise.

And there's no "we"-- the population in Namibia doesn't have anything to do with me or my community. When we aren't "replacing" those who we've lost, the community crumbles in various ways-- which is part of why the governments of various first world nations are "replacing" by way of immigration-- and strangely enough, from places that actually care about reproducing, if not outright having families.
Well at least you won't have to show your tits for people here to know you're a white woman, your go-to is always whether or not people can get laid.
Yeah...

Well, that only tells us that she's a woman. If we wanted to know whether she was also white, we'd also have to raid her cupboard for big jars of peanut butter.
 
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People die, you know? Entire generations age out of life. People retire out of the workforce, voluntarily or otherwise.

And there's no "we"-- the population in Namibia doesn't have anything to do with me or my community. When we aren't "replacing" those who we've lost, the community crumbles in various ways-- which is part of why the governments of various first world nations are "replacing" by way of immigration-- and strangely enough, from places that actually care about reproducing, if not outright having families.
Some people NEED to die.

If you want to have kids, fine. I personally don't. I don't understand why a declining population is an issue for concern.
 
It's not fucking hard to understand. Having children ultimately is something done not just for oneself, but for society. And if you hate the society you're in, why the fuck would you want kids? Putting aside every other possible factor in why someone wouldn't want to that has already been mentioned.
I don't understand why a declining population is an issue for concern.
It's not, flatly put.
 
Yes you can. But you can't pay your rent and bills with WIC and foodstamps. You can't pay for daycare with WIC and foodstamps. They only give you so much in Foodstamps anyway. It's not enough to even bother with. Especially for whites. Now niggers and beaners get loaded up. They get help wif day rent and sheeeeeeiiiit. Big daddy government even helps them with their utility bill. Niggers and beaners run their AC and leave their doors open and shit like that. I know because I have seen it.

Like I said it's an economic/financial decision. Millennials don't have kids because they can't afford it. Yes, it is a troublesome financial burden. Especially when you are in your 30's and still doing the whole roommate communal living thing. Hell, I know some really young gen X types that are in their early 40's and living with roommates.
I used to have to play evict the n***** from rental properties cuz I used to manage them for some rich guy who lived in Florida
And oh my God those people were disgusting but the people that were worse than the n****** were fat white trash gross I once had to clean hundreds of trash bags out of the basement oh my God the smell
The point being is that's when I started having no sympathy for people who rented some of these s******* houses because I can see why the people who owned them didn't make them any nicer the people who rented these places deserve to be in ramshackle crap shoots because they're just God awful people.

I'd also would have to frequently go down to City Hall and the welfare office to deal with these people not paying rent and my God that's when I fully realized that we need to get rid of absolutely every form of social safety net because these people are not even f****** human
Oh my Lord I've never wanted to kill a child more than having to deal with the shouting and the complete and other lack of control of the getter rats Offspring in the welfare office of s***** towns of upstate New York
Imagine if you will kids knocking s*** over nearly breaking windows and smelling like s*** because the diapers have not been changed and at least a day
And that is why I fully support the complete liquidation of every low income housing project in the United States and it's residence
 
Some of the most 'toxic' misogynistic men get untold amounts of female attention.
Let me tell you something about a friend of mine let's call him dick dick used every manisphere dating strategy in the world and do you know what happened he had sex with hot attractive women because you know what if you go up and talk to 50 women and you only have a 10% success rate you still get to sleep with five women
 
Let me tell you something about a friend of mine let's call him dick dick used every manisphere dating strategy in the world and do you know what happened he had sex with hot attractive women because you know what if you go up and talk to 50 women and you only have a 10% success rate you still get to sleep with five women
Yea, I don't know why people act like the Boomhaur strategy doesn't work because it totally does.
 
Honestly, the amount of guys here like “women are enormous bitches because they won't have my kid, they've literally destroyed society. Not my extreme rage towards them which they can see in advance, no it’s their fault for not just doing it anyway while I run my mouth off about how they’re vile whores/soulless career whores.”
We live in a world where we see what others truly believe online before we engage with them in the real world. There’s a stubborn idea that women are evil for being alarmed at guys expressing these sentiments. Many women meet a guy, like him, plan a date then happen to find a screed online about how women destroyed the world and need to get back to breeding. Nasty whores! Women obviously recoil from this, and the response is always to tell them that they’re bad, stupid people for choosing not to take the risk rather than looking within.
What's remarkably missing from this is whether the man they're dating wrote that same screed.

That could be coincidental, granted, but the idea that women are turned off by a man they like because they're just so scared of other men that have absolutely nothing to do with their prospect definitely sounds like the kind of irrational thing that would be said to paper over one of those realities that women are equally irrationally disgusted by because it... reveals they have needs: they actually perform comprehensive cost-benefit analyses on the men they encounter.

It's not that women at large are straightforwardly put off by dangerous men. They largely want dangerous men... inasmuch as they pose a danger to people that threaten them (the women). And sometimes, they suck at doing the calculus that would determine this. Sometimes, they decide that the cost of being regularly beaten into mulch is outweighed by whatever benefits they think they're getting from such a relationship. Sometimes, they think they can't do better-- but that's a bit further off than this conversation.

The "risk" that women are averse to isn't that self-avowed incels are "dangerous", it's that they're aggressively maidenless. It's that they're broadcasting that they have no girl history. It's that no other woman has said in their actions that this guy is worth being with. It's that they're often low (physical) value on top of this. They hardly have any benefits to weigh.
 
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