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[Gehenna]

Does it actually matter if everyone hates Kamala? 40% of the country will still vote for her and fortification can deal with the rest.

They haven't ever appreciably altered the plan, even when continuing to follow it would lead to a disaster.

It is so much more -interesting- than that.

The Establishment faction has split into two distinct, and outright warring, factions. As I dubbed them, the Remnants and the Reactionaries. The Remnants want to Trust the Plan and damn the consequences, only changing out Biden for Kamala as a figurehead in hopes that since she doesn't actively break down they can keep her mostly out of the light and with the bonus of neutering a minor faction in the form of Jill Biden. So they gain a much more unlikeable figurehead but have much greater control of the figurehead. Everything else though remains as is. Who is more interesting then is the other side.

The Reactionaries are... actually dangerous if they win. They want to keep Biden so you'd think they are the most nuts, but their plan is to sit down and fortify their position while they throw the whole globalist plan in the bin. On the surface, that sounds awesome. I mean, you have a group wanting to tell the globalists to fuck off, who actually oppose the degree of 'fortification' that's going on, and who are more willing to cross the aisle. Ideal, right?

No, holy fuck shit god no.

This is the group that makes up the 'younger' side of the Establishment, more fifties and sixties than 80s. They have realized that the globalists in power are trying to rush things forward to the end before they croak and have endangered the whole project. This group thus seeks to stop, stabilize, and retain as much of the current progress as possible while allowing plans to come to fruition in a longer time frame. They oppose the fortification for much the same reason they cross the aisle, they are True Believers but not in the woke ideology, they are true believers in the overarching goals of the Globalist Agenda and so are the Republicans they deal with. What fortification is needed when both people on the ticket are your guys?

The scary part is that they are actually the ones with the upper hand and are propping up the GOPe against the populists. And being pretty damn successful at it.

 

[badparts]

The Establishment faction has split into two distinct, and outright warring, factions.

I'm of the opinion that I don't think they're "actually warring" in a real sense, it's political theatrics and personal power plays. Although you may have meant that. They just have ideological disagreements over exactly how everyone under them is going to get fucked in the ass.

 

[There'll be another time]

Eyepatch McCain has introduced an interesting new bill apparently:
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And unfortunate this may inevitable regardless, given the current status of the Cartels.
The long and short is that the Sinaloa cartel is in the midst of a power struggle and is losing sway; and the breakdown will likely see increasing violence in the foreseeable future. It would look as though the Mexican government is interested in trying to take advantage of this disorder to reassert itself.
One of the serious up and comers is Gilisco New Generation, which is an incredibly violent cartel and arguably is better described as a paramilitary organization rather than a cartel. GNG hasn't crossed the border into the US yet, but it is more than likely they will at some point.
And there is an argument on the US government side that it is better if they set the terms of engagement now rather than when the violence has escalated on the north side of the border that they have to.

And on top of that considering how integrated Mexico is becoming in the American supply chain system, increasing security there can likely be justified on trade lines too.

 

[CuzinEd]

It looks like they are gunning for Biden pretty hard with this documents scandal. If they do use it take take Biden down and you want Trump to win (like I do) then the next best thing is for the economy to get really bad. It's a screwed-up thing to hope for but it will probably happen anyway. Normies are stupid and even more so for Democrat voting normies. If they have someone other than Biden for 2024 the "it's not Biden so things will be different this time" cope will kick in. It won't be Hillary, so you won't have the Hillary hate or the hate for Biden. The next best option is to bludgeon them over the head with the economy. The economy gets so bad that they just can't bring themselves to vote for a democrat again. Trump would be at his strongest when running against Democrats that have caused the economy to get worse. With Trumps mix of nationalist economics he can win over the white working class, so the Democrats won't even have them. Usually these are the people that vote for democrats in bad economic times. Trump does best when he is talking about economic issues.

So, if Biden gets the hammer dropped on him pray for the economy to get as bad as possible. Like I said, it probably will anyway.

Where did I ever say that every single election across the country will be stolen, much less every one for the last two years? They don't have that kind of power yet.

I'm only talking about the presidential race in 2024. There won't be a path to victory for any Republican UNLESS they first make drastic changes in at least a couple of 2020's hijacked "frozen count five" states. It's still not impossible, but time is running out and right now too many people are either compromised or have their heads in the sand.

If they were going to steal elections, don't you think they would steal as many as they could? Why just a steal one election every four years?

States control the elections. If anything is done about elections, it has to be done within the states. I don't think there is much the federal government can do. This isn't saying they can't do anything, but they are limited in what they can do.

Most of the states that had issues in 2020 have either fully or partially fixed their election systems. There were only 5 states. AZ GA WI MI and PA that had issues. Biden "won" by only 100,000 votes or so across 5 states. Trump only needed AZ and GA to stay red and PA to go red as well and he would have won in 2020. He could have also lost PA and kept WI and MI and he would have won.

Biden is so hated now Trumps chances of winning would be pretty high. I don't think they could commit enough election fraud to keep him from winning. They can only do so much fraud before it becomes painfully obvious. They depend on tight elections. If Biden runs in 2024 it won't be that tight.

So you are one of the suckers that believes that Biden got more votes than Obama in his prime in the same election were Trump also broke that record? Vooote harder dude, that will totally show them!

Thing us they don't need to steal everything, just some key areas in play and 2022 has showed they have those on lockdown. Biden will beat anybody unless it's a Desantis uniparty stooge with the intent of deescalating things, and Desantis wins only because they allow things to play out normally. Because the lines of red and blue are very clearly drawn and the Dems have "reinforced" enough swing states to not have to give a shit about the rest. Only curve ball possible is a blue state going red under their noses, but as long as Trump needs your Arizonas and Georgias, he is at this point in time fucked no matter what.

This can change if a few judges get their balls back in said states or if the freedom caucus does something unexpectedly effective to get the Rinos to play ball or the Dems do something so deranged that Mitch says fuck them. But as of now it's a hard wall that needs to be dealt with.

I expect them to get crushed without any mercy once it starts getting too visible. The tard wranglers are not involved like you said and they have to keep the retards in check to set them loose during an election cycle, not a second earlier. If that involves reminding then who has the stick, they'll use it without batting an eye.

And before anybody says "but they will rebel against their masters". Maybe a few, but most will rationalize it like always.

I see you are one the Boomers that are fixated on the number of votes Biden got in the popular vote count and not in the individual states and the electoral college. You know, how we pick our presidents and have done so for hundreds of years. It doesn't matter what Biden's popular vote count was. What matters is the electoral college and vote counts in individual states. There is really only a few states that matter. Ohio, Florida and Pennsylvania. I guess you can throw Georgia and Arizona into that as well. Though normally GA and AZ are red states.

Yes, Biden could have received 81 million votes. It would be 78 million. But it doesn't matter. Get that through your thick Boomer head. The popular vote count does not matter.

Desantis won't run. Even if he did, he won't beat Trump. The only way he can beat Trump is if the GOP takes a page from the Dems playbook and they rig their primary for him to win. Desantis won't beat Biden or any other Democrat. Desantis wouldn't get the 25% of the Democrat voter base that is white working class. That's what Trump did in 2016 and 2020. 25% of the Dems voter base voted for Trump. Desantis is pro TPP and that won't play well in the Midwest and in PA. Desantis also said Bush was a good guy. Desantis is a phony. He isn't real MAGA. He is just a pretender. Some people buy into it because he takes a hard stance on certain social issues, but the Neocons also took hard stances on the same issues. So that doesn't mean much of anything.

 

[The Ugly One]

Dumb question, but how cna you have a "debt ceiling" if they control all the spending and printing anyway? Closest thing I can think of is inflation with printing and spending excess money to where its value would degrade over time.

I only see Trump wanting to curb Medicare and SS as to keep the older population in bay. However, I see the Republicans tarnishing their own base with being passive with the current dogma of social politics for their own power.

Money-printing in the USA happens via a process involving bond issuance by the Treasury and monetization of that debt via the Federal Reserve, using investment banks as intermediaries so that inflation guarantees Wall Street profits.

The Treasury can't issue bonds in excess of the debt ceiling, so if Congress orders more spending, the money to fund it doesn't get printed until the debt ceiling is raised.

Eyepatch McCain has introduced an interesting new bill apparently:
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Of course that faggot would propose war rather than policing the border

I'm of the opinion that I don't think they're "actually warring" in a real sense, it's political theatrics and personal power plays. Although you may have meant that. They just have ideological disagreements over exactly how everyone under them is going to get fucked in the ass.

It's an actual war the way the War of the Spanish Succession was an actual war between the elites of the time over which specific elites would get all the money and whores associated with the Spanish crown, with ordinary people being the ones who suffered regardless of outcome.

Still I think there are aspects of fear of career suicide and some vain hope of "convincing" the Russians who live there to become Ukranians again maybe.

Other option - Latvia also had a signifant number of ruzzkies, nearly 1/5 of country whole population. They answear is simple: ruzzkies had no rights unless they learn a civilized language and naturalize (Latvia didn't care about that ruzzkies living from centauries near border.

But Latvia was lucky enough to be admitted into NATO and EU, so ruzzia will not dare do do anything with that. Saddly, Ukraine didn't due it in time.

You think they went back to Ukraine, especially after the Doritos rained down in Kiev?

That is explicite stated in YOUR source, dear ruzzkie.

Seriously, read it carefully.

There won't be any Ukrainians there for sure.

We see, but at this moment ruzzkies are celebrating capture of each village (Soledar was a small, poor town in middle of nowhere - before war it had around 10 thousands residents... and it took ruzzkies months to capture it) when they ignore major reteatments like Kherson (big city in european terms [aroun 280 thousand residents] with extreme importance to control traffic to and from Odessa - ruzzkies leaving it just thrown into toilet the only thing that West carried in this war: to export ukrainian grain to third world countries).

 

[Gehenna]

It's an actual war the way the War of the Spanish Succession was an actual war between the elites of the time over which specific elites would get all the money and whores associated with the Spanish crown, with ordinary people being the ones who suffered regardless of outcome.

Exactly.
It is an actual war... but a war over who gets to fuck over the plebs.

 

[Stoner Metal]

Mugshots of rioters from last night's downtown Atlanta's Antifa shitfit. Not a single minority and not one person native to Atlanta. They come to major cities to start shit and then leave. The media is still referring to it as a "protest turned violent" over an "activist" who was shot.
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The troon in the bottom right corner is from Grosse Isle, Michigan. For those not from the area; Gross Isle is a +95% white upper class suburb of Detroit with a reputation for hoighty-toighty yacht club types. "She" looks to be a total trust fund brat, just like most of these leftist activists.

 

[Ancient Pioneer]

The cartels are pretty much allowed to keep doing their shit. Trump wanted to actually drone strike them, which caused his administration to start sweating bullets to tell him he couldn't which Orange Man found really confusing cause they were perfectly fine with him drone striking Iranian Generals and random Syrian ISIS fags but not the guys sending industrial ammounts of drugs into the US? Really makes you think...

Trump wanted to declare them terrorist organizations. The system warned him off from doing so since the banks would get fucked as a lot of cartel money would now be subject to seizure and it would buckle the system.

 

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Trump wanted to declare them terrorist organizations. The system warned him off from doing so since the banks would get fucked as a lot of cartel money would now be subject to seizure and it would buckle the system.

The lesson unlearned is that the banks are the enemy of the people and he should have hammered that FUCK YOU button so hard his hand bled.

 

[northstar747]

This is the group that makes up the 'younger' side of the Establishment, more fifties and sixties than 80s. They have realized that the globalists in power are trying to rush things forward to the end before they croak and have endangered the whole project.

two things.

I find it funny the younger members of each group the progressives on the left and populists on the right keep annoying the adults at the table by "wanting change"

two. Globalism IMO opinion is dying. It is/was the US navy that provided security for the worlds shipping lanes, that allowed international trade trade to be done at such scale. In fact with the fall of the USSR and the opening up of china, we had basically the global marked flooded with cheap raw materials and cheap labor.

Thats going away supply chains are moving closer to home and the US's biggest trading partners are mexico and canada. The 1990's dream of a new world order ran by a one world goverment isnt going to happen.

I do wonder what will come next, whats that quote "the old world is dying, the new world struggles to be born; now is the time of monsters"

 

[ShitLurker]

Reply bug @CuzinEd

I see reading comprehension ain't your forte. I mentioned vote count not because I gave a shit about them. I know they mean nothing if they are all concentrated in a few places. What I do mean by mentioning them is that in the same election, both Biden and Trump broke King Nigger's record and I find it incredibly dubious that those numbers could be reached organically, specially with a candidate hiding in a basement and getting pathetic crowds when dragged out.

But hey, of you are enough of a delusional faggot to believe that the 5 problem states had "some issues" and "they are totally sorted now" and they didn't steal the presidency right in front of your face, then yeah sure, vooote harder.

Also, seeing how Kari got fucked and the brain dead giant won, I find it hillarious that you think things are all under control now.

You are right, only the 5 states that you mention matter, too bad that the rigging engine is set up and ready to do it's thing in a couple of years and the Rino's will do fucking nothing about it. Trump cannot win unless he gets the GOP to stop being a bunch of faggots and actually pursue irregularities. Yes, I want Trump, but 2020 was a fluke, they learned their lessons and they will fucking burn the country before letting him touch power again.

As of now, and after 2022 dashed my optimism on stopping a steal, Trump has 0 chances of getting the presidency. The plan of getting enough of his people in goverment ended with mixed results and Mitch has shown clearly who owns the purse. The judges have also shown they won't rock any boats, no matter how blatant. I hope I'm wrong and I know Trump won't just curl up and die, but I've yet to see his win condition.

 

[Celebrate Nite]

DOJ Prepares To Slap Google With Antitrust Suit Over Ad Monopoly | Ze…

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The Department of Justice (DOJ) is reportedly preparing to sue Alphabet Inc.'s Google in an antitrust lawsuit over its alleged monopoly on the digital advertising market, Bloomberg reported, citing people familiar with the matter. Google's dominance in the online ad space and web search marketplace has been under fire from the DOJ, which would mark the second federal antitrust complaint filed against the tech giant.

People familiar with the matter said the DOJ could file the suit in federal court by the end of the week. The lawsuit would allege violations of antitrust law in how Google maintains its dominance over the digital advertising market. The DOJ hit Google in 2022 with a lawsuit on its online search monopoly, which will head to trial in September.

This incoming suit would be the fifth major case against the California-based tech giant. US state attorneys general have filed three separate lawsuits over the company's dominance in advertising, online searches, and apps on the Android mobile platform.

The lawsuit will center on Google's advertising business, which accounts for 80% of its business. The company's advertising practices have caused many publishers and online newspapers to miss out on advertising revenue.
In 2021, The Daily Mail sued the advertising giant's monopoly over selling online ad space, which led to very little revenue for the publisher.

"The lack of competition for publishers' inventory depresses prices and reduces the amount and quality of news available to readers, but Google ends up ahead because it controls a growing share of the ad space that remains," the lawsuit said.

The simple fact is that Google is a monopoly gatekeeper for the internet has led to anticompetitive tactics that have crushed all competition.

What needs to happen is Google's ecosystem of interlocking monopolies should be broken up to allow competitors to grow the internet; otherwise, the company is just stifling progress in the online space.

 

[Sithis]

I would guess however that this bill is simply meant to try and make Eyepatch McCain look good for normies. It has no chance to pass with such a tiny majority by the GOP and it also opens the question of what exactly it would even be doing. Why deploy the army in a OP in Mexico but using the NG to protect the border is not on the books?

I think it's more than that. This was one of Trump's planned things to run on, his "2024 border wall" type of push. Eyepatch is trying to flatten Trumps impact a bit. He knows it won't pass, even though he probably cums his panties at any chance to spend on blowing shit up, regardless of who the target is. But I suspect this is the Uniparty acting so that one of Trump's planned initiatives is blunted and seen as a waste of time before he really gets a chance to present it.

 

[mandatorylurk]

Call it optimistic but I think something's going to give in AZ.

 

[verissimus]

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Don't expect anything to come from this. Expect this to go the way of the Microsoft antitrust lawsuit during the 90s.

 

[ShitLurker]

Call it optimistic but I think something's going to give in AZ.

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This just reminds me about the fiasco with the dominion machines. There was a lot blatant shit with that too and nothing happened.

 

[Vic Smackey]

Call it optimistic but I think something's going to give in AZ.

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I hold very little faith in the judicial system to do what's right here. Would love to be proven wrong of course but I think if the fix wasn't in, then the fix wouldn't have been in.

 

[chiobu]

It's Mike Pence's turn

First on CNN: Classified documents found at Pence’s Indiana home​

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A lawyer for former Vice President Mike Pence discovered about a dozen documents marked as classified at Pence’s Indiana home last week, and he has turned those classified records over to the FBI, multiple sources familiar with the matter told CNN.

The FBI and the Justice Department’s National Security Division have launched a review of the documents and how they ended up in Pence’s house in Indiana.

The classified documents were discovered at Pence’s new home in Carmel, Indiana, by a lawyer for Pence in the wake of the revelations about classified material discovered in President Joe Biden’s private office and residence, the sources said. The discovery comes after Pence has repeatedly said he did not have any classified documents in his possession.

It is not yet clear what the documents are related to or their level of sensitivity or classification. Pence’s team plans to notify Congress on Tuesday.

Pence asked his lawyer to conduct the search of his home out of an abundance of caution, and the attorney began going through four boxes stored at Pence’s house last week, finding a small number of documents with classified markings, the sources said.

Pence’s lawyer immediately alerted the National Archives, the sources said. In turn, the Archives informed the Justice Department.

A lawyer for Pence told CNN that the FBI requested to pick up the documents with classified markings that evening, and Pence agreed. Agents from the FBI’s field office in Indianapolis picked up the documents from Pence’s home, the lawyer said.

On Monday, Pence’s legal team drove the boxes back to Washington, DC, and handed them over to the Archives to review the rest of the material for compliance with the Presidential Records Act.

In a letter to the National Archives obtained by CNN, Pence’s representative to the Archives Greg Jacob wrote that a “small number of documents bearing classified markings” were inadvertently boxed and transported to the vice president’s home.

“Vice President Pence was unaware of the existence of sensitive or classified documents at his personal residence,” Jacob wrote. “Vice President Pence understands the high importance of protecting sensitive and classified information and stands ready and willing to cooperate fully with the National Archives and any appropriate inquiry.”

The classified material was stored in boxes that first went to Pence’s temporary home in Virginia before they were moved to Indiana, according to the sources. The boxes were not in a secure area, but once the classified documents were discovered, the sources said they were placed inside a safe located in the house.


Pence’s Washington, DC, office was also searched, Pence’s lawyer said, and no classified material or other records covered by the Presidential Records Act was discovered.

The news about Pence come as special counsels investigate the handling of classified documents by both Biden and former President Donald Trump. The revelations also come amid speculation that Pence is readying for a run at the Republican nomination for president in 2024.

Since the FBI searched Trump’s home in Florida for classified material in August with a search warrant, Pence has said that he had not retained any classified material upon leaving office. “No, not to my knowledge,” he told The Associated Press in August.

In November, Pence was asked by ABC News at his Indiana home whether he had taken any classified documents from the White House.

“I did not,” Pence responded.

“Well, there’d be no reason to have classified documents, particularly if they were in an unprotected area,” Pence continued. “But I will tell you that I believe there had to be many better ways to resolve that issue than executing a search warrant at the personal residence of a former president of the United States.”

While Pence’s vice presidential office in general did a rigorous job while he was leaving office of sorting through and turning over any classified material and unclassified material covered by the Presidential Records Act, these classified documents appear to have inadvertently slipped through the process because most of the materials were packed up separately from the vice president’s residence, along with Pence’s personal papers, the sources told CNN.

The vice president’s residence at the US Naval Observatory in Washington has a secure facility for handling classified material along with other security, and it would be common for classified documents to be there for the vice president to review.

Some of the boxes were packed up from the vice president’s residence, while some came from the White House in the final days of the Trump administration, which included last-minute things that did not go through the process the rest of Pence’s documents did.

The discovery of classified documents in Pence’s residence marks the third time in recent history in which a president or vice president has inappropriately possessed classified material after leaving office. Both Biden and Trump are now being investigated by separate special counsels for their handling of classified materials.

Sources familiar with the process say Pence’s discovery of classified documents after the Trump and Biden controversies would suggest a more systemic problem related to classified material and the Presidential Records Act, which requires official records from the White House to be turned over to the National Archives at the end of an administration.

On Friday, the FBI searched Biden’s Wilmington residence for additional classified material, an unprecedented search of a sitting president’s home that turned up six additional items containing classified markings. The search was conducted after Biden’s lawyers discovered classified material in Wilmington following the initial discovery of classified documents at Biden’s private think office in November.

Biden’s attorneys say they are fully cooperating with the Justice Department, seeking to draw a distinction from the Trump investigation.

The FBI obtained a search warrant to search Trump’s Mar-a-Lago resort in August. Federal investigators took that step because they believed Trump had not turned over all classified material despite a subpoena and were concerned records at Mar-a-Lago were being moved around.

Last week, Pence told Larry Kudlow in a Fox Business interview that he received the President’s Daily Brief at the vice president’s residence.

“I’d rise early. I’d go to the safe where my military aide would place those classified materials. I’d pull them out, review them,” Pence said. “I’d receive a presentation to them and then, frankly, more often than not Larry, I would simply return them back to the file that I’d received them in. They went in commonly into what was called a burn bag that my military aide would gather and then destroy those classified materials—same goes in materials that I would receive at the White House.”

https://edition.cnn.com/2023/01/24/politics/pence-classified-documents-fbi/index.html (Archive)

 

[Kuritan Deplorable]

Ok, this has to be Biden sabotage at this point. Having another former VP end up with classified documents, post presidency, that he has no authority to declassify, stored insecurely - Its literally setting them up with an anti republican trap that'll fuck over Biden too. And Pence is uniparty enough to play that game. Alternatively, its an opportunity to clear someone of the same charges to use as precedent to clear Biden. Either way it swings, feels manufactured.

Clown World ain't messing around in 2023 though, this is so much fun.

 

[ForTheHoard]

I feel really embarrassed for the journalists that were barking that the VP can declassify documents because you know they're going to have to pretend they didn't say it to go after Pence. This does feel like it's turning into an Al Franken situation where the left is cutting off one of their toes in the hopes that the right will cut off their leg in return. "We punished our guy, now you have to punish Trump!" I doubt they were counting on Pence to fuck up, or maybe they did, and it's going to be "You banned his VP from running for president, now do it for Trump!" I hear Franken is talking about running for office with the support of the same people that demanded he resign. It's almost like he made a deal when he resigned in the hopes that the GOP would "play fair" and cut off Trump.

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