Philosophy Tube / Oliver Lennard / Oliver "Olly" Thorn / Abigail Thorn - Breadtube's Patrick Bateman.

[AfghanBlue]

This man looks more and more male with every passing (or not passing, in Ollie’s case) day. Everything he does to try to look more feminine backfires massively. He looked closer to woman in his pre-Abigail days, even when he had facial hair, thanks to the sheer volume of soy that oozed out of him.

olly 2025
am i beautiful yet babes



( i only cut off what was there and didnt add anything aside form the lovely red hair. )

 

[Shotgun Badger]

Honestly? It's because of Hontra. He's literally hoping that Hontra will pay attention, even if he doesn't show up (he won't of course), but New York to Baltimore is about three/four hours I believe. If I was Hontra I would probably lock all my doors, or take a vacation to an unknown destination because the odds are that Chube will just find a reason to go to Baltimore, teeeheee *girly uwu laugh*

See, he mentioned that Lindsay Ellis recently complimented him on his (godawful) video about Trans healthcare in the UK, what's the over/under that she'll show up to the big American premier?

 

[folie à deux]

whatchu done, Tubelet?

got back into my account and im ready to choooooooooooobbbbbbbb

 

[narcissistic injury]

Wait I am so sorry. Just ignore me. Mentally challenged

 

[ghjoigcbn]

A safe bet with Olly is that is Contra does it, he'll probably follow. I'm thinking he'll probably have some sort of boob job and some facial stuff in the next few years- fillers, a lift here and there. I don't think he'd go for the full choob chop unless contra does it first, and afaik contra has as yet had the sense not to get an amhole installed.

I think his face looks worse than usual, but I wouldn't necessarily put it down to surgery. There are many factors at play: for one the angle and lighting are awful and make him look washed out and pallid. His hair also looks very flat and greasy, and having it tucked/brushed back only accentuates the masculine brow and hairline. A natal woman with her hair pushed back will have a round hairline, but Olly's is very square and high. He would really benefit from washing and blowdrying his hair properly before filming- a real woman would know to brush her hair before appearing on camera, Olly!

Big hair would balance out his big features- something drag queens have known for years- and having some sort of bangs or layering at the front would help to hide any thinning. When it's greasy and badly parted (seriously, that parting is a travesty) any thinning becomes 10x more obvious.

I agree but looking at the recent livestream stills is pretty convincing re: buccal removal. Also he said his face in the prince was very different? I guess time will tell. We can look forward to comparing his face in his next PT video.

 

[Brain Problems]

mf what have you done to your face?

the tiny little thumbnails when scrolling in the Welcome to 2023 Stream were ALL terrifying and looked even scarier smaller.
buccal fat 4 lyf.
(on closer inspection)

Nigga looks worse than Noel not even trying.

 

[AfghanBlue]

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Nigga looks worse than Noel not even trying.

he looks like any of these horrid things

 

[fax machine]

I agree but looking at the recent livestream stills is pretty convincing re: buccal removal. Also he said his face in the prince was very different? I guess time will tell. We can look forward to comparing his face in his next PT video.

I don't think he's had buccal fat removal. Ever since the meme blew up on TikTok last December, random observers have been attributing every hollow cheek on the web to that procedure with no consideration for (the far more common) aging and weight loss. People are wringing their hands white like that poor girl didn't need to remove her buccal fat when it's patently clear that the girl in question has lost weight overall, to the point where any facial fat loss could be 100% natural. Of course, this is not to say that buccal fat removal doesn't happen — it probably did in some cases, less probably so in others — but jumping instantly to assume a niche procedure when other explanations are plausible doesn't make a whole lot of sense.

In practice, bfr is often too subtle to produce dramatic hollowness anyway, as that sucked in cheek occurs only under condition of prominent cheekbones, and most people lack the cheekbone structure to go thoroughly gaunt underneath without starving down to a scary low body fat %.

Olly in particular is unlikely to have had bfr because he's a man with typically male media consumption patterns and ideas of female beauty. He's not on TikTok to be influenced by the meme. He doesn't care about fashion (& the attendant cult of visual skinniness) beyond disingenuous posturing. His idols are not women but trans women, who tend to favor a soft, young, "juicy" look to the post-surgical face over the striking coldness many women revere. Most MtFs would like to hang on to as much softness in the face as possible, so — unsurprisingly — buccal fat removal is not at all common in the buffet of procedures typically packaged as FFS.

Olly has lost quite a bit of weight and looks like he might be juicing up the cheekbones with filler as well. In concert with unfortunate lighting, that's probably enough to produce his current Jigsaw look.

Oliver went on a date recently. He liked “her” because she wasn’t impressed with who he is. He implied that his celebrity was a huge stumbling block in his dating life. This girl was wearing a perfume that he liked. He said “I’ll have that, thank you” and mimed reaching over the table and taking it. He says it has pheromones in it that makes people attracted to you.

lol such nonsense! He did a whole perfume bit in a video (Beauty in Ugly Times), rattling off at length about his favorite scents, the art of formulation, etc., and still he falls for the cheapest sales woo on the web: that you can put human pheromones in perfume. There's no evidence whatsoever that humans have pheromones. People just like the dream of irresistible desirability, and they'll turn off every rational electrical impulse in their brains to indulge it.

There's no trick to desire, no quick & dirty controlling mechanism. I'm sure that's very disturbing to a character like Olly — the type to try to master everything and rage when natural will and whimsy overpower him.

Regarding what he is filming now - I think he said it’s a “billion” (with a b) dollar franchise and that his part is smaller than the Django part. He is doing (thus far) night shoots. He claims the head writer came up to him on set and said, “Abigail? I love your work!” and that they hugged and the whole set took notice. Lol. Maybe it happened or maybe he dreamed it. He was careful not to even say if the head writer is a man or a woman so as not to provide a clue as to what franchise this is.

I always roll my eyes when he implies that he’s so famous but given the state of the world and the way troons are celebrated there could be more truth to it than I realize.

I can believe the broad strokes of this. Doubt the whole set was staring or w/e, but a woman in the right age range to be a PT fan could very well be of an age to helm a TV series too.

It does sound like a woman, doesn’t it? A man wouldn’t go for a hug. A man wouldn’t hug Philosophy Tube. Presumably Olly said “they” because revealing a female head writer narrows down the options quite a lot… and at this point, every detail suggests Star Wars: The Acolyte, as @AssignedEva posited earlier.

• Star Wars is a multibillion dollar franchise.
• The Acolyte is probably not a $200M show — previous Star Wars Disney+ series have, by all accounts, clocked in closer to the low $100Ms — but after you account for the Classic Philosophy Tube Exaggeration Filter, it’s close enough.
• They’ve been filming at Shinfield Studios in England since October 2022. Outside of London, as Olly says, but in the right range for frequent commutes.
• The creator/head writer is Leslye Headland, a 42-43 y.o. American white woman married to a woman, unfortunately a believable Philosophy Tube fan demographic. She’s off social media — good for her — so I can’t check her vibes any deeper. Haven't seen her previous work but heard lovely things about Russian Doll.

Saving this pic here because it's been two years and the brows and liner are still like that.

 

[Tombigbee]

Maybe he’s slimming down for the red carpet premiere. I guess I’m in the minority cause I thought he did look a tad “better” (in a relative sense) in this last stream. The main problem that stood out is the enormous forehead.

 

[AssignedEva]

Maybe he’s slimming down for the red carpet premiere. I guess I’m in the minority cause I thought he did look a tad “better” (in a relative sense) in this last stream. The main problem that stood out is the enormous forehead.
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I don't entirely understand why Ollie doesn't get a fringe. I suppose it doesn't quite mesh with the long-hair-zoomer-middlepart he's going for in the mistaken belief it'll make him more youthful looking.

I'm not sure I'd agree he looked better in the last stream - he just looked like a gaunt man instead of a puffy faced rugby lad.

 

[Der weiße Teufel]

Maybe he’s slimming down for the red carpet premiere. I guess I’m in the minority cause I thought he did look a tad “better” (in a relative sense) in this last stream. The main problem that stood out is the enormous forehead.
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What's with this retarded way of answering, does he think he's being cute? He knows fully well that "buccal fat removal" is a surgical procedure. "Did you get liposuction? - technically yes because I lost weight".
Does he think this is what a woman would say?

 

[frap]

I don't entirely understand why Ollie doesn't get a fringe. I suppose it doesn't quite mesh with the long-hair-zoomer-middlepart he's going for in the mistaken belief it'll make him more youthful looking.

Zoomers and not-zoomer Ollie really need to understand that the overwhelming majority of people are nowhere near symmetrical enough to look good with a middle parting.

But also I hope he keeps it up, because he looks so ridiculous.

 

[The Jackal]

I don't entirely understand why Ollie doesn't get a fringe. I suppose it doesn't quite mesh with the long-hair-zoomer-middlepart he's going for in the mistaken belief it'll make him more youthful looking.

Not sure he goes for anything for any specific reason when it comes to his appearance, he's just clueless and does whatever. He knows women usually have long hair and so grew his hair long and that's about as much thought as he's put into his hair.

What's with this retarded way of answering, does he think he's being cute? He knows fully well that "buccal fat removal" is a surgical procedure. "Did you get liposuction? - technically yes because I lost weight".
Does he think this is what a woman would say?

Presumably he thinks it's a witty and amusing answer.

 

[fax machine]

What's with this retarded way of answering, does he think he's being cute? He knows fully well that "buccal fat removal" is a surgical procedure. "Did you get liposuction? - technically yes because I lost weight".
Does he think this is what a woman would say?

lmao the joke doesn’t even work on that level. At least liposuction actually removes fat that could be removed by weight loss, though in an unnaturally targeted way. The buccal fat pad is a specific structure that famously doesn’t shrink down with weight loss. The primary aesthetic function of buccal fat removal is, in fact, to address excessively full, heavy cheeks in people who can’t reduce the cheek area to satisfaction by dropping fat overall (to a healthy %). Losing weight only reduces other types of cheek fat. Not all cheek fat is buccal fat! “Technically yes” — but really, truly, literally no.

If you can count on this man for anything, it’s to make a joke that makes no sense.

Zoomers and not-zoomer Ollie really need to understand that the overwhelming majority of people are nowhere near symmetrical enough to look good with a middle parting.

But also I hope he keeps it up, because he looks so ridiculous.

My favorite aspect of Choobwatching is observing how this dork with pretensions of principle and taste waves around his pale arms namechecking artists, raving vaguely about the geniuses, performing reverential motions as if that means something while stumbling blindly through every practical choice that comes to him. He has no aesthetic intuition whatsoever. There’s nothing at all wrong with that if you own it — but the very serious pretending is pure comedy.

Not sure he goes for anything for any specific reason when it comes to his appearance, he's just clueless and does whatever. He knows women usually have long hair and so grew his hair long and that's about as much thought as he's put into his hair.

He did a lot of side parts earlier in transition and switched quite suddenly to that hard middle part 24/7. For that reason, it seems intentional to me, though who knows if the reasoning was “zoomer vibe cool” or just “I tried a new thing and think it looks good, incorrectly, as usual.”

 

[behindyourightnow]

This man looks more and more male with every passing (or not passing, in Ollie’s case) day. Everything he does to try to look more feminine backfires massively. He looked closer to woman in his pre-Abigail days, even when he had facial hair, thanks to the sheer volume of soy that oozed out of him.

AGPs have a particular male-autist conception of sex differentiation: they see humanity and sex change as an engineering problem they can solve because they are smarter than anyone else. In this view, the more "feminine" elements they add to their appearance, the more they will move along the "passing" axis until they are finally genuinely female.

In reality, of course, visual sex differentiation is far more complex, most of us don't even know how we do it, and adding more feminine elements just makes the male traits stand out more.

Our brains are trained to notice exceptions from patterns. If we see a blank white wall with a drawing of a dick in the middle of it, we don't think "oh, most of the wall is dick free, so it's a blank wall." We think "how the hell did that drawing of a dick get there?"

It’s just a written-word version of his new fake troon voice.
Adding ?’s as a kind of textual up-speak to sound more womanly.

It started as a tumblr thing also, and spread out from there, which is why you still see so many FtMs doing it. Manly kingbros on Reddit and Twitter are always writing? Like this? To express themselves?

When Ollie tries to do it it comes off wrong and creepy because he is male, and a creep.

 

[The Jackal]

It started as a tumblr thing also, and spread out from there, which is why you still see so many FtMs doing it. Manly kingbros on Reddit and Twitter are always writing? Like this? To express themselves?

When Ollie tries to do it it comes off wrong and creepy because he is male, and a creep.

I really don't think its origin is anything so specific. It's just a natural extension of 'uptalk', the tendency among young Americans, beginning in the 80s or 90s, to raise the pitch of their voice at the end of sentences so that statements sound like questions, and which has inevitably spread throughout the rest of the English-speaking world. This is just the written form of that. I remember seeing examples of this (originally used to mock people who spoke this way) when I was a wee lad, long before Tumblr existed. First thing that comes to my mind is 'valley girl' rather than 'FtM', which sort of makes sense for Olly as his notions of womanhood are based on a hodge-podge of stereotypes he picked up during his formative years.

What makes it more annoying, in my opinion, in written form than in spoken form is that, apart from being illiterate, it has a bitchy, I'm-more-important-than-you tone as though you're implicitly questioning the very existence of the person you're talking to.

You're dead right about the sex-differentiation-as-engineering-problem thing though.

 

[Johan Hulth]

Putting the question mark at the end is kinda of low key passive-aggressiveness though babes?

Olly should've stuck with the manic pixie primary school teacher look he had a few videos back. Comes across relatively unthreatening, artsy, and well suited to his butterball frame. He's never gonna achieve the Contra horse face ghoul heroin chic.

 

[behindyourightnow]

I really don't think its origin is anything so specific. It's just a natural extension of 'uptalk', the tendency among young Americans, beginning in the 80s or 90s, to raise the pitch of their voice at the end of sentences so that statements sound like questions, and which has inevitably spread throughout the rest of the English-speaking world. This is just the written form of that. I remember seeing examples of this (originally used to mock people who spoke this way) when I was a wee lad, long before Tumblr existed. First thing that comes to my mind is 'valley girl' rather than 'FtM', which sort of makes sense for Olly as his notions of womanhood are based on a hodge-podge of stereotypes he picked up during his formative years.

Uptalk has been around for decades, but "putting question marks at the end of a statement in text to soften it" absolutely did start on Tumblr and spread from there. It's not just a written form of uptalk, because it's done very specifically at the end of only certain sentences.



I agree with you that Ollie is just mashing together female stereotypes though:

I think I’d mostly like to relax and see friends? It’s been a long time, and last time I was there…

I think it would be good for me to make some new memories there, you know?

The question mark at the end of the first sentence, so closely followed by "you know?" makes it sound like he is trying desperately to adopt what he thinks is "feminine" language and failing at it.

The irony I was getting at is that FtMs (with their supposedly male-gendered souls) tend to be fluent in this highly female-coded Tumblr language, while males like Ollie can't get it right because not only are they not female, they also don't listen to females.

Elsewhere: Ollie, a descendent of the first Earl of Sussex, whose ancestors have been landowners for centuries, smacks down an uppity bitch who dares to voice an opinion on rents in London:

 

[AfghanBlue]

I don't entirely understand why Ollie doesn't get a fringe. I suppose it doesn't quite mesh with the long-hair-zoomer-middlepart he's going for in the mistaken belief it'll make him more youthful looking.

I'm not sure I'd agree he looked better in the last stream - he just looked like a gaunt man instead of a puffy faced rugby lad.

I think the fringe thing about literally every MtF on earth

 

[Hongourable Madisha]

I'm surprised he keeps name-dropping Steve Coogan since he worked with He Who Must Not Be Named.