War Invasion of Ukraine News Megathread - Thread is only for articles and discussion of articles, general discussion thread is still in Happenings.

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President Joe Biden on Tuesday said that the United States will impose sanctions “far beyond” the ones that the United States imposed in 2014 following the annexation of the Crimean peninsula.

“This is the beginning of a Russian invasion of Ukraine,” Biden said in a White House speech, signaling a shift in his administration’s position. “We will continue to escalate sanctions if Russia escalates,” he added.

Russian elites and their family members will also soon face sanctions, Biden said, adding that “Russia will pay an even steeper price” if Moscow decides to push forward into Ukraine. Two Russian banks and Russian sovereign debt will also be sanctioned, he said.

Also in his speech, Biden said he would send more U.S. troops to the Baltic states as a defensive measure to strengthen NATO’s position in the area.

Russia shares a border with Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania.

A day earlier, Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered troops to go into the separatist Donetsk and Lugansk regions in eastern Ukraine after a lengthy speech in which he recognized the two regions’ independence.

Western powers decried the move and began to slap sanctions on certain Russian individuals, while Germany announced it would halt plans to go ahead with the Russia-to-Germany Nord Stream 2 pipeline.

At home, Biden is facing bipartisan pressure to take more extensive actions against Russia following Putin’s decision. However, a recent poll showed that a majority of Americans believe that sending troops to Ukraine is a “bad idea,” and a slim minority believes it’s a good one.

All 27 European Union countries unanimously agreed on an initial list of sanctions targeting Russian authorities, said French Foreign Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian, and EU foreign affairs head Josep Borell claimed the package “will hurt Russia … a lot.”

Earlier Tuesday, Borell asserted that Russian troops have already entered the Donbas region, which comprises Donetsk and Lugansk, which are under the control of pro-Russia groups since 2014.

And on Tuesday, the Russian Parliament approved a Putin-back plan to use military force outside of Russia’s borders as Putin further said that Russia confirmed it would recognize the expanded borders of Lugansk and Donetsk.

“We recognized the states,” the Russian president said. “That means we recognized all of their fundamental documents, including the constitution, where it is written that their [borders] are the territories at the time the two regions were part of Ukraine.”

Speaking to reporters on Tuesday, Putin said that Ukraine is “not interested in peaceful solutions” and that “every day, they are amassing troops in the Donbas.”

Meanwhile, Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelensky on Tuesday morning again downplayed the prospect of a Russian invasion and proclaimed: “There will be no war.”

“There will not be an all-out war against Ukraine, and there will not be a broad escalation from Russia. If there is, then we will put Ukraine on a war footing,” he said in a televised address.

The White House began to signal that they would shift their own position on whether it’s the start of an invasion.

“We think this is, yes, the beginning of an invasion, Russia’s latest invasion into Ukraine,” said Jon Finer, the White House deputy national security adviser in public remarks. “An invasion is an invasion and that is what is underway.”

For weeks, Western governments have been claiming Moscow would invade its neighbor after Russia gathered some 150,000 troops along the countries’ borders. They alleged that the Kremlin would attempt to come up with a pretext to attack, while some officials on Monday said Putin’s speech recognizing the two regions was just that.

But Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin told reporters Tuesday that Russia’s “latest invasion” of Ukraine is threatening stability in the region, but he asserted that Putin can “still avoid a full blown, tragic war of choice.”

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Biden against delivery of F-16 fighter jets to Ukraine​

US President Joe Biden has spoken out against the delivery of F-16 fighter jets to Ukraine. When asked by journalists today in Washington whether he was in favor of delivering the fighter jets to Ukraine, Biden replied in the negative. The Ukrainian leadership is currently urging its Western allies to deliver fighter jets.​
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Just saw that on the feed of the Austrian newspaper. Will Ukraine sperg at the US?
 
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Just saw that on the feed of the Austrian newspaper. Will Ukraine sperg at the US?
No need to sperg at the US.
Biden is a decrepit, dying fossil who likely doesn't even know what an F16 is half of the day. He needs to be treated as a senior, end-of-life care patient.
The "deep state" glowies will do what must be done, and if not, Poland and Romania and other East EU countries will demand that Ukraine is provided with what it needs to deal with numerically superior Russian spergouts.
 
No need to sperg at the US.
Biden is a decrepit, dying fossil who likely doesn't even know what an F16 is half of the day. He needs to be treated as a senior, end-of-life care patient.
The "deep state" glowies will do what must be done, and if not, Poland and Romania and other East EU countries will demand that Ukraine is provided with what it needs to deal with numerically superior Russian spergouts.
I don't get why they can't do it like Austria and Hungary did it after WWI: after the split the Western province of Hungary said they felt more Austrian than Hungarian so Hungary gave it to Austria. But I don't get why people want to go for wars in general so...
 
I don't get why they can't do it like Austria and Hungary did it after WWI: after the split the Western province of Hungary said they felt more Austrian than Hungarian so Hungary gave it to Austria. But I don't get why people want to go for wars in general so...
You answered your own question.
"After WWI"
You think Austrian-Hungarian Empire went down willingly? You think all those peripheral lands were given to other nations willingly?
Nope, it took a world war with millions dead, a severe defeat, and even after that parts of the Empire were still not done with the BS, hence Romanians occupying Budapest circa 1920 or so.
Hungary was bullied by everyone, including the West. It is only then that these lands changed hands.
 
Just saw that on the feed of the Austrian newspaper.
We've heard a few times about something not being delivered. And it was delivered.

I don't get why they can't do it like Austria and Hungary did it after WWI: after the split the Western province of Hungary said they felt more Austrian than Hungarian so Hungary gave it to Austria.
In which timeline?

In our after shistortms about Burgenland (including the city of Sopron), which took place mainly because of the Croats (yes, they were there), it got very funny there, for example there was extremly funny idea of giving Burgeland under the joint rule of Czechoslovakia and Yugoslavia. After Shistorm: Episode One (when the non-Hungarians staged something of a small uprising) the Western powers decided to give it to newborn Austria. After Shitstorm: Episode II (another small uprising, this time Hungarians against Austrians) they decided to divide Burgenland in two - Sopron ended up in Hungary, some villages in the west ended up in Austria.

This all happened in a few months after the Great War.

Oh - the disputed area is the size of Rhode Island. Population quality on the level of two random counties in Wyoming
 
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Russian company offers five million rubles to destroy the first Western tanks.
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Jan 30 (Reuters) - A Russian company said it will offer five million roubles ($72,000) in cash to the first soldiers who destroy or capture western-made tanks in Ukraine, after the Kremlin vowed Russian forces would wipe out any Western tanks shipped to Ukraine.
The United States, Germany and several other European countries are lining up to send Kyiv dozens of advanced combat tanks over the next few months to help boost Ukraine's military capacity as the war approaches the 12-month mark.
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The decision has been criticised by the Kremlin as a dangerous escalation, and spokesman Dmitry Peskov said the tanks would "burn" on the frontlines.

Now a Russian company - Fores, a Urals-based firm which makes proppants for the energy industry - is offering cash payments to Russian servicemen who "capture or destroy" German-made Leopard 2 or U.S.-made Abrams tanks.
The company said it will pay five million roubles to the first Russian soldier to destroy one of the tanks, and 500,000 roubles ($7,200) for all subsequent attacks.
Echoing language used by Russian officials and pro-war state TV hosts, Fores said NATO was pumping Ukraine with an "unlimited" amount of arms and escalating the conflict. It also said it would pay a 15-million rouble ($215,000) bounty on Western-made fighter jets, should they ever be delivered to Ukraine.
The tanks have not yet been dispatched to Kyiv, and it could take several months before the bulk of the promised deliveries are sent.
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Since the start of the conflict, Russia's defence ministry has claimed to have destroyed hundreds of pieces of Western weaponry.
Kyiv has previously dismissed those statements, highlighting for instance that Russia has claimed to have destroyed more U.S.-made HIMARS rocket launcher pads than were ever delivered to the country.
Previous deliveries of advanced Western arms, particularly HIMARS, have been credited with turning the tide of the 11-month war, helping Kyiv to secure a series of surprise victories and pushing back Russian forces from territory captured at the start of the invasion.
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I don't get why they can't do it like Austria and Hungary did it after WWI: after the split the Western province of Hungary said they felt more Austrian than Hungarian so Hungary gave it to Austria. But I don't get why people want to go for wars in general so...
Because an obvious attempt at regime change failed and blew up in their faces, then their little "make Ukraine landlocked" plan failed an any hope of taking Odessa was cockblocked with the Mykolaiv-Moscova-Kherson chain of events.

Pretending this war was always ever only about muh Donbass is just buying into Russian propaganda.

You people are so distracted with German tank sperging that you nobody has posted the Perun
Finally got around to listening to this on the way to the field.

His point about Russian jets basically spamming R-37 to hit fighter-sized targets is extremely interesting. Previously it was assumed that most BVRAAMs, much less "AWACS killers" such as R-37, would be of limited use against fighter-sized targets with fighter maneuverability & agility.
Interesting to see this war is either proving the assumption wrong, or proving that attrition of XLRAAMs is potentially worth it.

Also his "200 tanks - albeit very bad tanks - is still better than no tanks" also applies to Ukraine receiving stuff like Slovakian M-55s.
 
His point about Russian jets basically spamming R-37 to hit fighter-sized targets is extremely interesting. Previously it was assumed that most BVRAAMs, much less "AWACS killers" such as R-37, would be of limited use against fighter-sized targets with fighter maneuverability & agility.
Interesting to see this war is either proving the assumption wrong, or proving that attrition of XLRAAMs is potentially worth it.

Its only working in Ukraine because A) Ukraine has a small airforce that isn't getting replenished. and B) Ukrainian jets when they are utilized have to fly tree-top level to avoid Russian air defenses, which reduces their mobility.
 

Still no biolabs in Ukraine.
Its only working in Ukraine because A) Ukraine has a small airforce that isn't getting replenished. and B) Ukrainian jets when they are utilized have to fly tree-top level to avoid Russian air defenses, which reduces their mobility.
Ukraine and Rusia use CAS and fighters in small numbers, mainly because all Soviet-era planes are crap.

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This is from twitter. It is said that Olga Zenkova (a Russian propaganda worker) was raped in Melitopol by Russian soldiers. Funny :)
 

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This is from twitter. It is said that Olga Zenkova (a Russian propaganda worker) was raped in Melitopol by Russian soldiers. Funny :)
source: Twitter and 9gag
LMAO

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CIPSO sends out a letter about NTV journalists beaten and raped by "Kadyrovites", Ukrainian publics cheerfully pick up. We officially declare: this is bullshit.

KURWA lol

Edit since Twatter links are obligatory for certain people, here you go: https://twitter.com/T_90_M/with_replies


Also, it should be noted the person who posted this allegation it didn't post any links as well (understandable since 9GAG is pretty suspect), just a letter in poor Russian only someone unfamiliar with the language would write,
 
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Just pics of telegram and twitter shit.
I suspected that you picked the wrong thread.

anyway, to keep this thread on track. Ukraine are asking for fighter jets and so far, nothing has been done as Western powers are wary about giving Ukraine acess to jets with long range missiles.

and here, is an OP Ed about how the author think that Ukraine should try to get Jas Gripen instead of f16 as they are cheaper but the author suspected they won't get any.
 
and here, is an OP Ed about how the author think that Ukraine should try to get Jas Gripen instead of f16 as they are cheaper but the author suspected they won't get any.
On paper, it's an impressive jet. Easily on par with the su35. Sweden might not consider the costs worth it though.
 
Its only working in Ukraine because A) Ukraine has a small airforce that isn't getting replenished. and B) Ukrainian jets when they are utilized have to fly tree-top level to avoid Russian air defenses, which reduces their mobility.
I mean in a hypothetical US vs Iran war, wouldn't this be similar situation though?

Still no biolabs in Ukraine.
Even if they had biolabs, what does it matter?
Russia has actual bioweapons labs, as does the US, as does China.

Ukraine and Rusia use CAS and fighters in small numbers, mainly because all Soviet-era planes are crap.
Part of it is due to doctrinal differences.
US doctrine is to secure air superiority using fighter jets from the Air Force and Navy.
Russian (re:Soviet) doctrine is to use ground-based air defense to thwart the other guy's air superiority, and try to turn the war into an artillery and armor slog.
 
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