Okay, so, first: the video is about a woman who was
sentenced to 15 years in jail for this, and the video is outraged that she served only 3 years of her 15 year sentence. A 15 year sentence for this is insane to me, sorry. A 3 year sentence strikes me as closer to reasonable.
But I do believe in accountability, so I 'll respond to your call-out. Yes, I don't think a just-born human is conscious. They've not developed fully-working vision or ability to track objects or a sense of self. If the child is
literally just born this strikes me as similar to euthanizing a pet.
And yes, I realize exactly how controversial of a view this is. I'm not trying to be edgy; this just strikes me as what is true. If you give me links to papers or articles that should change my mind, I'm happy to read those.
I don't claim know where the "line" of consciousness is.
And I think most people don't think just-born children are conscious in this same way either, because of data that suggests just-borns don't "remember" circumcision:
"Up to 96 percent of the babies in the United States and Canada receive no anesthesia when they are circumcised, according to a report from the University of Alberta in Edmonton. One of the reasons anesthesia is not used, the study found, is the belief that infants feel little or no pain from the procedure. It has also been argued that injecting anesthesia can be as painful as circumcision itself, and that infants don't remember the procedure, anyway."
(Source)
So my answer to Mark's question there is "the line is
wherever people stop thinking a just-born won't remember the circumcision procedure." The
American Pregnancy Association says most circumcisions that occur in a hospital occur within the first 48 hours, so "within 48 hours" seems like a good-enough answer.
I'm also not going to die on this hill. Like, to be clear,
this is not something I want codified into law or made legal; Morality is not law and law is not morality. Most people don't think a father who kills the killer of his daughter is doing something immoral, even though it is criminal; likewise, I don't think this should be legal, but I don't think it is immoral. I'm
disagreeing with the murder/manslaughter charge because I believe it fits in a separate category of crime.
Anyway. Is it off-topic to debate my Facebook posts here? I have no idea. I make a lot of Facebook posts; do you want to turn the entire thread into a debate about what I believe? lol.