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President Joe Biden on Tuesday said that the United States will impose sanctions “far beyond” the ones that the United States imposed in 2014 following the annexation of the Crimean peninsula.

“This is the beginning of a Russian invasion of Ukraine,” Biden said in a White House speech, signaling a shift in his administration’s position. “We will continue to escalate sanctions if Russia escalates,” he added.

Russian elites and their family members will also soon face sanctions, Biden said, adding that “Russia will pay an even steeper price” if Moscow decides to push forward into Ukraine. Two Russian banks and Russian sovereign debt will also be sanctioned, he said.

Also in his speech, Biden said he would send more U.S. troops to the Baltic states as a defensive measure to strengthen NATO’s position in the area.

Russia shares a border with Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania.

A day earlier, Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered troops to go into the separatist Donetsk and Lugansk regions in eastern Ukraine after a lengthy speech in which he recognized the two regions’ independence.

Western powers decried the move and began to slap sanctions on certain Russian individuals, while Germany announced it would halt plans to go ahead with the Russia-to-Germany Nord Stream 2 pipeline.

At home, Biden is facing bipartisan pressure to take more extensive actions against Russia following Putin’s decision. However, a recent poll showed that a majority of Americans believe that sending troops to Ukraine is a “bad idea,” and a slim minority believes it’s a good one.

All 27 European Union countries unanimously agreed on an initial list of sanctions targeting Russian authorities, said French Foreign Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian, and EU foreign affairs head Josep Borell claimed the package “will hurt Russia … a lot.”

Earlier Tuesday, Borell asserted that Russian troops have already entered the Donbas region, which comprises Donetsk and Lugansk, which are under the control of pro-Russia groups since 2014.

And on Tuesday, the Russian Parliament approved a Putin-back plan to use military force outside of Russia’s borders as Putin further said that Russia confirmed it would recognize the expanded borders of Lugansk and Donetsk.

“We recognized the states,” the Russian president said. “That means we recognized all of their fundamental documents, including the constitution, where it is written that their [borders] are the territories at the time the two regions were part of Ukraine.”

Speaking to reporters on Tuesday, Putin said that Ukraine is “not interested in peaceful solutions” and that “every day, they are amassing troops in the Donbas.”

Meanwhile, Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelensky on Tuesday morning again downplayed the prospect of a Russian invasion and proclaimed: “There will be no war.”

“There will not be an all-out war against Ukraine, and there will not be a broad escalation from Russia. If there is, then we will put Ukraine on a war footing,” he said in a televised address.

The White House began to signal that they would shift their own position on whether it’s the start of an invasion.

“We think this is, yes, the beginning of an invasion, Russia’s latest invasion into Ukraine,” said Jon Finer, the White House deputy national security adviser in public remarks. “An invasion is an invasion and that is what is underway.”

For weeks, Western governments have been claiming Moscow would invade its neighbor after Russia gathered some 150,000 troops along the countries’ borders. They alleged that the Kremlin would attempt to come up with a pretext to attack, while some officials on Monday said Putin’s speech recognizing the two regions was just that.

But Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin told reporters Tuesday that Russia’s “latest invasion” of Ukraine is threatening stability in the region, but he asserted that Putin can “still avoid a full blown, tragic war of choice.”

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I'm pretty sure I read an article a few months ago that stated at least there are American Soldiers training the Ukrainians on the new weapons they sent over. And rumors of possibly some smaller tactical units on the ground there.
Exactly. Training. We've had a military mission in Ukraine since before the war started, training Ukrainian forces. But those troops aren't doing any fighting and aren't there to fight. There maybe special forces on the ground, but no doubt they are doing special forces shit, not fighting-the-Russians shit. Which would consist of observation, intel gathering, and more training.

First is escalation risk. The US and other western countries have been holding off certain things, such as long-range missiles, because they don't want to do too much and give Russia a reason to lob missiles at them.
Which has always been a weak excuse at best. Does anyone really think the Russians are going to start a war with NATO at this juncture? When they are already locked in a stalemate in Ukraine?
 
Russia considers globalism its enemy. The "eat bugs, own nothing, and be happy" crowd. The US happens to be the largest proponent of that ideology, but it's important to see the difference. Many of us would argue the US shouldn't be the GLOBOHOMO capital of the world and that maybe this one world government bullshit should fuck right off.
Then maybe the Russians shouldn't have promoted the ideological precursors to globohomo in their attempts to undermine rival power blocks and achieve global supremacy.
 

Russia’s Ukraine War Effort Fueled by Turkish Exports​

Trade data show Russia is getting generators, rubber and vehicles from Turkey​


Turkish companies last year exported tens of millions of dollars worth of machinery, electronics, spare parts and other items that Russia needs for its military, according to a survey of trade data, showing how Moscow can fuel its war effort despite international sanctions.

At least 13 Turkish firms exported a total of at least $18.5 million worth of items, including plastics, rubber items and vehicles, to at least 10 Russian companies sanctioned by the U.S. for their role in Russia’s assault on Ukraine, the data show. The Turkish companies sent at least three shipments of American-made goods, according to the data reviewed by The Wall Street Journal.

Turkish firms also sent another $15 million in American-made elevators, electric generators, circuit boards and other items to Russia in violation of U.S. export controls designed to starve Russia of vital military equipment from March to October 2022, the data show.

The U.S. and more than 30 other countries imposed sanctions on Russia last year in response to its full-scale invasion of Ukraine, attempting to deprive the Kremlin of funds, weapons and technologies it needs to wage war. Turkey, which is a North Atlantic Treaty Organization ally, is among a number of countries that have said they won’t enforce those sanctions.

Now nearly a year after the invasion, the U.S. is pressuring third countries like Turkey to cooperate with key aspects of the sanctions. Senior U.S. Treasury officials this week visited Turkey, the United Arab Emirates and Oman to clamp down on Russian military-procurement networks in the region.

The visit comes after top U.S. officials warned Turkey late last year that Turkish individuals could face fines and jail time for servicing U.S.-made aircraft flying to and from Russia in violation of export controls, the Journal reported.

The warnings are a test of whether the U.S. and its allies can succeed in isolating Russia over the long term, or whether Moscow can ease the impact of sanctions by trading with major economies like Turkey, China, India and Arab monarchies of the Persian Gulf region.

“Treasury will continue to aggressively enforce its sanctions, and individuals and institutions operating in permissive jurisdictions risk potentially losing access to G7 markets,” the Treasury department said in a statement about the Middle East visits this week.

Turkey’s foreign ministry and Russia’s Ministry for Industry and Trade and Federal Customs office didn’t respond to requests for comment on the exports.

Turkish officials say the country only enforces sanctions imposed by the United Nations Security Council, not those imposed by countries like the U.S. The Turkish foreign ministry also says it doesn’t condone attempts to evade sanctions on Russia.

“The longer a regime like this is in place, it’s a bit of a game of whack-a-mole. We’ve never had a sanctions regime of this magnitude on such a big economy,” said Tobias Gehrke, a Berlin-based expert on geoeconomics at the European Council on Foreign Relations.

“Being able to show in the first wave that some of these key hubs can be persuaded or can be forced to close a little bit, that could be quite a powerful sign,” he said of U.S. pressure on Turkey.

Among the sanctioned Russian companies that received items from Turkey were a subsidiary of Russia’s Tactical Missiles Corp., which makes weapons systems for the Russian navy and Promtekhnologiya, which was sanctioned for making rifles for the Russian armed forces. The missile corporation didn’t respond to a request for comment. Promtekhnologiya couldn’t be reached for comment.

In addition to trying to starve Russia of weapons, U.S. officials are also attempting to cut off Russia’s sources of essential items used to make military hardware. Rubber, for example, is used to make plates that protect Russia’s T-80 battle tanks. U.S. sanctions and export controls also take aim at plastics which Russia needs to build tanks, ships, helmets and body armor.

The items that Russia acquired from Turkey also included steering wheels for trucks and U.S.-made filters for engines, the data show. Russia imported nearly $8 million in American-made conveyors and elevators in violation of U.S. export controls.

U.S. efforts to shut down Russia’s military procurement networks comes amid warnings from senior Ukrainian and Western officials that Russia is preparing for a major new assault on Ukraine comparable to its initial full-scale attack on the country in February 2022. The head of Ukraine’s National Security and Defense Council said this week that such an attack could come within weeks.

The Turkish government led by President Recep Tayyip Erdogan has played all sides of the Russia-Ukraine war, selling armed drones and armored vehicles to the Ukrainian military while also deepening economic ties with Russia.

Write to Jared Malsin at jared.malsin@wsj.com

 
Russia considers globalism its enemy. The "eat bugs, own nothing, and be happy" crowd. The US happens to be the largest proponent of that ideology, but it's important to see the difference. Many of us would argue the US shouldn't be the GLOBOHOMO capital of the world and that maybe this one world government bullshit should fuck right off.
That's untrue, they themselves never make that distinction. Russian propaganda simply makes emphasis on whatever afflicts the West currently to sow division and build a fifth column out of gullible suckers such as yourself to advocate on their behalf.
Putin isn't fighting globohomo, he's just furthering his own power for selfish reasons at the cost of freedom and the future of Russian people. If you believe he's a bastion of virtue somehow different from them, I have a bridge to sell you.

You were tricked into a false dichotomy, choosing between two differently colored dildos, oblivious to the fact that you're still getting fucked in the end.
When faced with different brands of authoritarianism, I choose neither.
 
Russia considers globalism its enemy. The "eat bugs, own nothing, and be happy" crowd. The US happens to be the largest proponent of that ideology, but it's important to see the difference. Many of us would argue the US shouldn't be the GLOBOHOMO capital of the world and that maybe this one world government bullshit should fuck right off.
They want an empire and see us as an impediment to it. Many of those who lament the fall of the Soviet Union are pushing for expansion into Ukraine. They don’t care about globohomo and at one time were a major sponsor of communism.
 
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I think I have a solution to this mess.

Russia withdraws troops from Ukraine, redeploys them in Turkey while every other nation points and laughs as the turkroaches get BTFO.
I have a better solution. Apply Russias retard logic and return Moscow to it's historical ownership under the boot of the Mongols. Maybe then Russia will finally have some actually edible food instead of pesto bismol soup and jellied pig intestines so they'll stop being pissy faggots. They'll also get a language that doesn't sound like a slurring retard speaking through a vocoder.
 
Russia considers globalism its enemy. The "eat bugs, own nothing, and be happy" crowd. The US happens to be the largest proponent of that ideology, but it's important to see the difference. Many of us would argue the US shouldn't be the GLOBOHOMO capital of the world and that maybe this one world government bullshit should fuck right off.
Can you muster the effort for better propaganda like Badungus or something?
 
Russia considers globalism its enemy. The "eat bugs, own nothing, and be happy" crowd. The US happens to be the largest proponent of that ideology, but it's important to see the difference. Many of us would argue the US shouldn't be the GLOBOHOMO capital of the world and that maybe this one world government bullshit should fuck right off.
Globalism is dying.

What propped up globalism was the US navy. It guaranteed open access to markets for everyone. Originally the global order was bribe to other nations. Let america fight the cold war americas way and in return you get access to the american market, and well protect your trade.

The fall of USSR ended that mission and we got super globalism. the 1990s to present we had the resources of the former USSR and the slave labor of the PRC. A truely amazing time economically

But thats going away The us isnt interested in doing this anymore.

Europe before the world order post WWII was a bunch of states stabing and fighting eachother for a 1000 fucking years.

China? oh they have soo many fucking problems its not even funny, the fact is china in its current form can only exist in the global order the US proped up.

Take for example the chinese, korean, and japanese 3 neighbors who have a long history of corporation and getting along.

Say they need to protect oil convoys from the middle easy make sure nothing happens to the tankers as they go by india, another nation that is totally good with china.
 
I think I have a solution to this mess.

Russia withdraws troops from Ukraine, redeploys them in Turkey while every other nation points and laughs as the turkroaches get BTFO.
They're not though, the Azerbaijanis handed the Armenians their arses. Largely through Turkish support, provided despite the fact that Erdoğan had been looking for a rapprochement with Armenia for nearly a decade.

Erdoğan being a practitioner of the Tony Soprano school of diplomacy ie "Make Nice or Make Dead", eventually flooded Azerbaijan with enough weaponry to make sure Armenia won't be a problem to Turkey for the next 40 years.
 
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Building on the "contrarian" part, Ukraine has gotten strong support from the usual Twitter NPC blue-check retards. The same people who have BLM and pronouns in their bio added a Ukraine flag last year. Who wants to be associated with such people? Always opposing whatever they support is tempting and indeed has a decent success rate.

The thing is, the opinions of Twitter retards don't matter. They're retards. If you slavishly do the opposite of them, you're giving them "reverse psychology" power over you. They'll always support the current thing, right or wrong, whether it's promoting fat black troons or helping hurricane victims. Just ignore them and do what's right.
The irony is that the average Ukrainian soldier is probably the least-PC, raging homophobe with a heavy dose of racism.
The average Ukrainian soldier is probably closer to the world view of the Farmers who hate them than the Twitter retards who support them.

Many of us would argue the US shouldn't be the GLOBOHOMO capital of the world and that maybe this one world government bullshit should fuck right off.
I agree with this sentiment.
But what does this have to do with Ukraine defending itself?

They're not though, the Azerbaijanis handed the Armenians their arses. Largely through Turkish support, provided despite the fact that Erdoğan had been looking for a rapprochement with Armenia for nearly a decade.

Erdoğan being a practitioner of the Tony Soprano school of diplomacy ie "Make Nice or Make Dead", eventually flooded Azerbaijan with enough weaponry to make sure Armenia won't be a problem to Turkey for the next 40 years.
Azerbaijan also made good use of light rocket artillery + drones.
Basically the drones spotting Armenian armored vehicles and the Azeris dropping guided rockets on them.
 
Then maybe the Russians shouldn't have promoted the ideological precursors to globohomo in their attempts to undermine rival power blocks and achieve global supremacy.

Origin stories, how do they work?

That's untrue, they themselves never make that distinction. Russian propaganda simply makes emphasis on whatever afflicts the West currently to sow division and build a fifth column out of gullible suckers such as yourself to advocate on their behalf.
Putin isn't fighting globohomo, he's just furthering his own power for selfish reasons at the cost of freedom and the future of Russian people. If you believe he's a bastion of virtue somehow different from them, I have a bridge to sell you.

You were tricked into a false dichotomy, choosing between two differently colored dildos, oblivious to the fact that you're still getting fucked in the end.
When faced with different brands of authoritarianism, I choose neither.

It's funny how we are told in the west that Dugin is "Putin's brain" and that his writings and philosophy are what drive this mad man to be so....Putiny, and yet none of you bother to actually read Dugin to see for yourself that is exactly what it's all about?

It's perfectly ok and legitimate to not agree with that "Fourth Political Theory", but to pretend it's not part of the calculus is naive. It's not exactly a secret.

They want an empire and see us as an impediment to it. Many of those who lament the fall of the Soviet Union are pushing for expansion into Ukraine. They don’t care about globohomo and at one time were a major sponsor of communism.

This is partly right, but it ignores the massiove schizm between National bolshevism (what these people you refer to support) and globalism/communism which is has been a longterm goal for a fucking century. I think people get tripped up in the surface level lol communism lol capitalism debate and lose sight of the fact that the only thing that matters to them is globalism. Be it the COMINTERN or the World Bank is fine. Having nations and people determine their own path forward <--- now THAT is forbidden.

Can you muster the effort for better propaganda like Badungus or something?

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I agree with this sentiment.
But what does this have to do with Ukraine defending itself?

Ukraine is defending itself because almost a decade ago they let the CIA assfuck them into a US-friendly coup to fuck with Russia. Now the chickens are coming home to roost. Ukraine isn't the first and won't be the last. It's what our CIA does. Destabilize regimes to plump up American contracts. It's their mission statement.
 
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Origin stories, how do they work?



It's funny how we are told in the west that Dugin is "Putin's brain" and that his writings and philosophy are what drive this mad man to be so....Putiny, and yet none of you bother to actually read Dugin to see for yourself that is exactly what it's all about?

It's perfectly ok and legitimate to not agree with that "Fourth Political Theory", but to pretend it's not part of the calculus is naive. It's not exactly a secret.



This is partly right, but it ignores the massiove schizm between National bolshevism (what these people you refer to support) and globalism/communism which is has been a longterm goal for a fucking century. I think people get tripped up in the surface level lol communism lol capitalism debate and lose sight of the fact that the only thing that matters to them is globalism. Be it the COMINTERN or the World Bank is fine. Having nations and people determine their own path forward <--- now THAT is forbidden.



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Ukraine is defending itself because almost a decade ago they let the CIA assfuck them into a US-friendly coup to fuck with Russia. Now the chickens are coming home to roost. Ukraine isn't the first and won't be the last. It's what our CIA does. Destabilize regimes to plump up American contracts. It's their mission statement.
OK this is a much better effort although it's still approximatively at the Russia Today/Gonzalo Lira vatnik enabling stage.
I'm not sure you're aware but Russia has very successful intelligence services that destabilize its enemies the same way CIA does.
If you drag the discussion down long enough, it comes down to imperial spheres of influence.
Since you pretend to be American, it would be natural to side with your own country, as it all comes down to an inevitable us vs them scenario. Hell, even me, a lowly East European, understand that this is not the time to sperg out against Amerifats (too much, I can't help it, sorry) and spend my time crying about Hiroshima, Nagasaki and Iraq the same way I might have done 15 yrs ago.
This is the time to know who my allies are against the vatnik expansionism, so we can see it bonked over the head as soon as possible, and humiliated back inside its borders.
Depending on how obnoxious the people I discuss with are, I might even support a full glow CIA ops to Ghaddafize Putin, or long range missile strikes on Moscow🥰
The situation demands for flexibility, y'know?
USA! USA! USA!
 
Origin stories, how do they work?



It's funny how we are told in the west that Dugin is "Putin's brain" and that his writings and philosophy are what drive this mad man to be so....Putiny, and yet none of you bother to actually read Dugin to see for yourself that is exactly what it's all about?

It's perfectly ok and legitimate to not agree with that "Fourth Political Theory", but to pretend it's not part of the calculus is naive. It's not exactly a secret.



This is partly right, but it ignores the massiove schizm between National bolshevism (what these people you refer to support) and globalism/communism which is has been a longterm goal for a fucking century. I think people get tripped up in the surface level lol communism lol capitalism debate and lose sight of the fact that the only thing that matters to them is globalism. Be it the COMINTERN or the World Bank is fine. Having nations and people determine their own path forward <--- now THAT is forbidden.



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Ukraine is defending itself because almost a decade ago they let the CIA assfuck them into a US-friendly coup to fuck with Russia. Now the chickens are coming home to roost. Ukraine isn't the first and won't be the last. It's what our CIA does. Destabilize regimes to plump up American contracts. It's their mission statement.
Woah. It's almost like Russia is just a Jewish puppet state and has been for almost a century. Yet you dumb goys suck the cut cock because "woah this heckin jew slav mongoloid said YWNBAW better be slaves to them!". You retards are slaves without collars convincing yourself you are free through contrarian delusion. You retards would be sucking Biden and Shwabs cocks if they turned around and bashed trannies and niggers because it owns le globalist all while Biden continues raping kids and Schwab feeds you bugs.

Hopefully unlike Haiti and the US emancipation includes rightfully extermination of slaves.
 
I'm pretty sure I read an article a few months ago that stated at least there are American Soldiers training the Ukrainians on the new weapons they sent over. And rumors of possibly some smaller tactical units on the ground there.

There are American volunteers in the foreign unit, when the war kicked off there said to have been between 100-200 former enlisted reached out to the Ukrainian embassy offering to serve right away. Not sure if they were all combat vets or also guys offering to serve as medical support, etc.

Ukraine itself has reported over 20,000 volunteers from like 60-70 countries combined.

Then maybe the Russians shouldn't have promoted the ideological precursors to globohomo in their attempts to undermine rival power blocks and achieve global supremacy.

This is the primary reason I loathe Russaboos, the dense fuckers hate globohomo but ignore that the modern globohomo bullshit we deal with is almost entirely because of Communist Russia.
 
Also I've said this before, T-72 and T-80's are horrible vehicles, the designers seemed to have gone out of their way to make the vehicle as difficult as possible for the crew to operate. The Driver, and Commander really need to know what they're doing,
But look at how much weight they saved by doing so! Dumb West and their overheavy vehicles can't match Russian brilliance!

(No, I unironically saw plenty of shit like that when I was playing Wargame: Red Dragon a decade or so ago. Same with hilarious claims that Russian electronics were top-end and they'd be selling to the West soon. Russia has been the Left's darling for ages, first with communism and then after the fall of the USSR sobbing about how its the evil West's fault Russia is a failed state.)
Germany still manufactures it for export
As does Israel, except its Chinese export in this case. Not sure how much they'd be willing to see end up in Ukrainian hands. Depends on how Bibi is feeling towards Putin, I guess.
Then maybe the Russians shouldn't have promoted the ideological precursors to globohomo in their attempts to undermine rival power blocks and achieve global supremacy.
At the risk of needing to read another book, that's what happened in 1984. The Brits exported the Revolution to the USA and we exported it right back to them via conquest.
Russia withdraws troops from Ukraine, redeploys them in Turkey while every other nation points and laughs as the turkroaches get BTFO.
You know... I rather doubt that. Russian logistics would be a pain considering they don't share a land border with Turkey, so only way through would be Armenia.

As to the talk of globohomo, can't I believe both it and Russia are bad? Is there some reason I'm forced to support one over the other?
 
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