Migrant, 48, shot dead by elderly Arizona rancher after crossing the border onto his land is pictured - as his family in Mexico demand 'justice' - Looks like this migrant found out

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The Mexican migrant shot dead by an Arizona rancher after crossing the border illegally and running onto his land can be pictured today for the first time as his family calls for 'justice' in his death.

Gabriel Cuen-Butimea, 48, was shot on Monday January 30th by 73-year-old rancher George Alan Kelly, after crossing onto Kelly's land in Kino Springs, a remote area of Arizona just 1.5miles from the border.

He was unarmed and was shot once - dying on the property.

Kelly, who friends say has had trouble with other migrants passing through his land, remains in custody in Arizona on a $1million bond, awaiting his next court appearance on a single murder charge.

Gabriel Cuen-Butimea, 48, was shot on Monday January 30th by 73-year-old rancher George Alan Kelly, after crossing onto Kelly's land in Kino Springs, a remote area of Arizona just 1.5miles from the border


Gabriel Cuen-Butimea, 48, was shot on Monday January 30th by 73-year-old rancher George Alan Kelly, after crossing onto Kelly's land in Kino Springs, a remote area of Arizona just 1.5miles from the border
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He pleaded with a judge to lower it or set him free earlier this week, citing the fact that his elderly wife couldn't tend to their livestock alone, but he was sent back to jail.

George Alan Kelly, 73, is being held on a $1million bond. He begged a judge to lower the amount and let him go home to help his elderly wife tend to their livestock


George Alan Kelly, 73, is being held on a $1million bond. He begged a judge to lower the amount and let him go home to help his elderly wife tend to their livestock
Cuen-Butimea tried multiple times to enter the US illegally before Kelly shot him dead.

Records indicate he was deported several times, most recently in 2016.

It's unclear if he ever crossed the border onto Kelly's property before the incident on Monday.

Sheriffs say they did not know each other.

Many of the details of the case remain unclear, including whether Kelly will be able to invoke a stand your ground defense.

As Kelly awaits his next court appearance, Cuen-Butimea's family in Mexico are mourning his death and demanding justice.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...withdrew-complaint.html?ico=related-replace-2

They held a memorial for him in their hometown of Nogales, just over the border, last night.

Kelly's land in Kino Springs, a remote area of Arizona just 1.5miles from the border


Kelly's land in Kino Springs, a remote area of Arizona just 1.5miles from the border
Cuen-Butimea's family mourned him in Nogales on Monday night. He died of a single gunshot wound

Cuen-Butimea's family mourned him in Nogales on Monday night. He died of a single gunshot wound


Cuen-Butimea's family mourned him in Nogales on Monday night. He died of a single gunshot wound
It remains unclear why the 48-year-old had crossed illegally onto Kelly's land, or if he'd done it before. He had been deported several times before, the most recent of which was in 2016

It remains unclear why the 48-year-old had crossed illegally onto Kelly's land, or if he'd done it before. He had been deported several times before, the most recent of which was in 2016


It remains unclear why the 48-year-old had crossed illegally onto Kelly's land, or if he'd done it before. He had been deported several times before, the most recent of which was in 2016
On social media, his relatives are calling for justice.

'We will get justice for you, daddy, I promise,' his adult daughter said alongside Kelly's mugshot.

Justice of the Peace Emilio Velasquez refused to lower the elderly rancher's bond



Justice of the Peace Emilio Velasquez refused to lower the elderly rancher's bond
The family has not explained why Cuen-Butimea had crossed over into Kelly's land.

In court yesterday, Kelly begged to have his $1milion bond lowered.

'She's there by herself... nobody to take care of her, the livestock or the ranch.

'And I'm not going anywhere. I can't come up with a million dollars.

'Would you consider reducing it to any degree?' he said.

The judge, Justice of the Peace Emilio Velasquez, told him his lawyer would have to file a request to lower bond.

Kelly was appointed local public defender Brenna Larkin, who is yet to answer any media inquiry about the case.

Arizona's Stand Your Ground laws​


Under Arizona law, 'a person is justified in threatening or using physical force against another when, and to the extent a reasonable person would believe that physical force is immediately necessary to protect himself against the other's use or attempted use of unlawful physical force.'
It could be used as a defense when homeowners attack — or potentially even kill — someone to stop certain crimes like murder, rape or armed robbery.
The Stand Your Ground laws are not permitted as a defense, however, when there was only a verbal provocation or the homeowner who is claiming self-defense provoked the attack.
By using the Stand Your Ground laws as a defense, prosecutors have to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that a defendant was not justified in using deadly force in self-defense.


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Who in their right mind would talk about their children here?

Who in their right mind would ask about peoples children here?

Jesus Christ I usually give newfags the benefit of a doubt but you've been one of the most intolerable I've ever seen on the forum.
You don't need to talk about them at all, just give me a number.

Obviously you have none. I understand you loud and clear, Aryan Superman.
 
I assume you'd kill the children as well, right? Dash the heads of those subhuman little bastards against a rock?

Evil. Pure, unadulterated evil.
You know what else is evil?
Using corpses as podiums to politically grandstand over while pretending you have the moral high ground just due to the amount of dead bodies.

So you know. Shut the fuck up faggot.
Most posters here saying that are either obvious shitposters or just trying to bait you.
The bigger issue isn't if it's real or not, the bigger issue is who gives a shit.
 
I don't see how that's an issue. I don't want my government fucking with south american countries and I want my government to protect our borders.

While we're at it, I also want a state funded tier 1 ISP dedicated to the forum and $1,000,000,000 for myself.
The border issue is a direct product of the US covert intervention related to Mexico and other latin american countries. But its a lot more fun to just fantasize about murdering spics than it is to bitch about dry subjects like american foreign policy. Is it that you literally dont see the connection between the cartel-run Mexican government being allowed to terrorize its citizens without any threat from the US government?
 
You know what else is evil?
Using corpses as podiums to politically grandstand over while pretending you have the moral high ground just due to the amount of dead bodies.

So you know. Shut the fuck up faggot.
Hey, if it makes you feel better about being so hate-filled you dehumanize and condone the murder of innocent people...I pity you. This man, yes, a man and a human being every bit your equal before God and the law, was murdered in cold blood.

I think what I've said stands for itself and there is nothing more to add.

You all have fun fantasizing about killing those subhuman spics, not that any of you would ever have the balls to actually do it.
 
The border issue is a direct product of the US covert intervention related to Mexico and other latin american countries.

LOL, yeah, Guatemala would totally have a space program and a bustling tech industry if it wasn't for those gringos and their interventions!

Latin America is poor because it's full of Indians, while the USA is rich because it's full of white people that decided to build an industrial powerhouse rather than have endless wars of succession. They will always want to come here, because we're better at them and build nicer places than they do.

Reality is the only reason we can't control our border is politics. If spics voted Republican and were taking CEO's jobs, we'd have landmines and machine gun nests at the border.

But its a lot more fun to just fantasize about murdering spics than it is to bitch about dry subjects like american foreign policy. Is it that you literally dont see the connection between the cartel-run Mexican government being allowed to terrorize its citizens without any threat from the US government?

yeah we just need to bomb Mexico into democracy
 
The border issue is a direct product of the US covert intervention related to Mexico and other latin american countries. But its a lot more fun to just fantasize about murdering spics than it is to bitch about dry subjects like american foreign policy. Is it that you literally dont see the connection between the cartel-run Mexican government being allowed to terrorize its citizens without any threat from the US government?
Did you not read my post? I get that they caused a lot of these problems. I wish they'd stop, but at the end of the day none of that has anything to do with me. Why do I have to pick up the tab because some rich pedophiles decided to fuck over other countries?
 
no they wouldnt. the whole point of US proxy wars is that they happen far enough away that the US citizens dont even notice them. And when you say current leadership, i hope you arent stupid enough to mean the democrats. Neither party has any interest in actually fixing the issues with mexico because the Cartels are easier to deal wtih (and run drugs with) than any unified mexican government. and the illegals coming from guatemala, el salvador, other shitholes, are coming because of civil wars started at the behest of the CIA. Its frankly childish to bitch about illegals because a) you'd be trying to get here too if it were you and your shitty country and b) its the US government, both democrat and GOP-led, that supports the violence that makes these places shitholes to flee from.
Responding to this, I'm not so sure if proxy wars being far away guarantees that American citizens won't notice them at all. Admittedly there is a chance that the US government in general would secretly like to to keep Mexico divided in some way for whatever reason, then again the Drug War there flared up while American forces were busy in the Middle East so maybe it was thought pointless to put a large amount of troops somewhere else until things were resolved there.

Moving on to disregarding the border (which I think is dumb) because how bad things are in immigrants home countries and American influence in those locations. Sure people tend to leave countries in dire straits but what does that say for the individuals who stick around to fight in civil conflicts? As for that other statement, sure the United States especially in the Cold War did cause some civil wars and coups in Latin America but in the last 30 years there has been a decline in hard power approaches in the region as a whole. Also, laying absolutely all the issues of Latin America on the USA seems kinds of silly and ignores corrupt and incompetent leaders and institutions in that part of the world.

In summary, the American government either doesn't mind the cartels or possibly couldn't find the political will to do anything in the last 20 years due to the whole War of Terror thing and letting people into the country based on some sense of guilt doesn't seem like a good idea and disregards the nuance of the woes of Latin America.
 
Who in their right mind would talk about their children here?

Who in their right mind would ask about peoples children here?

Jesus Christ I usually give newfags the benefit of a doubt but you've been one of the most intolerable I've ever seen on the forum.
/pol/ trannies. Not even ounce.
 
Yep. Mr. Rancher who blew away Senor Gabriel there is p much fucked. His fiction will ensure that the book gets thrown at him, because no matter what you think about the laws on the books in AZ, he did break them by aerating the serial border hopper. This kind of shit is going to continue happening until there's non politically suicidal reasons to actually secure the southern border. Trump's initiatives on the wall in accordance with the rest of his plans for surveillance of the border were mostly a good idea, but that would have had to be part of an overarching plan that would involve some messy geopolitical issues. Fix those, and you fix the most glaring problems, but you'll also create a lot of new ones. Bottom line for me is that I have zero sympathy for either party in the case here.

The issue of illegal immigration over the southern border is very complex, and currently, there's no real political will to fix or even nigger-rig a halfass solution. The cartels that essentially run Mexico right now can't simply be forced to the negotiating table without some asinine use of brute force tactics. The US trying that would probably lead to a second Mexican-American war, as well as a huge PR blow to it's diminishing standing on the world stage. You don't want to see the only superpower invading it's southern neighbor just for starters. And there's the immense amount of trade involved to think of as well. I don't think the problem is truly intractable, but it's a problem with a long term solution at best. We do need to more rapidly explore our options as a country yesterday however. Illegal immigration won't be resolved with another waterheaded amnesty like Reagan tried. Blowing away everyone who crosses the border isn't a good option either, no matter what some here and on places like /pol/ think. Before anyone accuses me of not having a good answer, I'll admit that I'm in no position to even float one.
 
Yep. Mr. Rancher who blew away Senor Gabriel there is p much fucked. His fiction will ensure that the book gets thrown at him, because no matter what you think about the laws on the books in AZ, he did break them by aerating the serial border hopper. This kind of shit is going to continue happening until there's non politically suicidal reasons to actually secure the southern border. Trump's initiatives on the wall in accordance with the rest of his plans for surveillance of the border were mostly a good idea, but that would have had to be part of an overarching plan that would involve some messy geopolitical issues. Fix those, and you fix the most glaring problems, but you'll also create a lot of new ones. Bottom line for me is that I have zero sympathy for either party in the case here.

The issue of illegal immigration over the southern border is very complex, and currently, there's no real political will to fix or even nigger-rig a halfass solution. The cartels that essentially run Mexico right now can't simply be forced to the negotiating table without some asinine use of brute force tactics. The US trying that would probably lead to a second Mexican-American war, as well as a huge PR blow to it's diminishing standing on the world stage. You don't want to see the only superpower invading it's southern neighbor just for starters. And there's the immense amount of trade involved to think of as well. I don't think the problem is truly intractable, but it's a problem with a long term solution at best. We do need to more rapidly explore our options as a country yesterday however. Illegal immigration won't be resolved with another waterheaded amnesty like Reagan tried. Blowing away everyone who crosses the border isn't a good option either, no matter what some here and on places like /pol/ think. Before anyone accuses me of not having a good answer, I'll admit that I'm in no position to even float one.
Lining the border with a bunch of C-wire and mines that Jet Fuel Johnny said earlier would be a nice idea. Force niggers to go through the actual port of entry's instead of some rural cunt's ranch. Line the Canadian border with twice the amount, when they spill over it's always a serial killer doing brutal murder or some trannie whose a serial rapist towards canines.
 
Evil. Pure, unadulterated evil.
Kind of strange to be so MATI about some one getting killed and then have your profile title be "relax, enjoy death". It seems you are neither relaxed nor enjoying death. Should probably specify what death your suppose to be enjoying since The Reaper makes no such distinctions and does not revel in their work.
 
Lining the border with a bunch of C-wire and mines that Jet Fuel Johnny said earlier would be a nice idea. Force niggers to go through the actual port of entry's instead of some rural cunt's ranch. Line the Canadian border with twice the amount, when they spill over it's always a serial killer doing brutal murder or some trannie whose a serial rapist towards canines.
While it's somewhat of a nice idea, if you consider the sheer length of the border itself and consider the implications of mining it, even if only at the areas that make the most sense and not the entire thing, after even a little bit of thought you'll realize why that idea is a total pipe dream. No, the solution to the border is going to be a political one. If that continues to fail, then we start talking using force. Hopefully not mines though, they're too indiscriminate. Plus the beaners and others would just dig under the minefield. See upthread about Sonora being the tunnel capital and all that.
 
While it's somewhat of a nice idea, if you consider the sheer length of the border itself and consider the implications of mining it, even if only at the areas that make the most sense and not the entire thing, after even a little bit of thought you'll realize why that idea is a total pipe dream. No, the solution to the border is going to be a political one. If that continues to fail, then we start talking using force. Hopefully not mines though, they're too indiscriminate. Plus the beaners and others would just dig under the minefield. See upthread about Sonora being the tunnel capital and all that.
"Turn all of Latin America into 1st-world democracies" is a lot more of a pipe dream than "police the areas where people cross, and punish anyone caught hiring illegals."
 
It's sad but the dude fucked up. You can't just shoot people because they are breaking the law. There needs to be some degree of proportionality.

I personally agree with him facing consequences. But I feel for him and understand where he is coming from.

I do however believe that if he had reasonable reasons to assume he would be in danger, he should be left free.

For example, if people are regularly stealing from him (livestock, equipment, food etc), and carry weapons with them. If there is a documented history of incidents.

If it's just people running on his lawn to get to somewhere else, call the cops. Sure, they won't do shit, but that's better than going to jail for some fucking nobody.

ETA: I am not a US citizen, so this is quite foreign to me. I may be completely off, I am not sure.

As fucked up as you think it is, it does seem like it was illegal:



I can't help but to place myself in the shoes of the person as well, and I don't think they deserve death for crossing a border (and by they I don't mean this guy in particular, cause it could have been anybody).

There might be a time when you will have to flee your own country. And I sure hope I don't get shot in the back trying for a better life, go somewhere else I can contribute and rebuild.

If the real problems with the current immigrants you guys have were dealt with, this would not be as much of an issue. I am sure they are not all bad, but the bad part is just left running the show.

Then again, I know it's wishful thinking, and I still understand where the neg rates are coming from.


So many faggots rating me dumb, and none to care enough to elaborate and reply.

Get bent
How about we send you to Mexico since you love it so much?
 
While it's somewhat of a nice idea, if you consider the sheer length of the border itself and consider the implications of mining it, even if only at the areas that make the most sense and not the entire thing, after even a little bit of thought you'll realize why that idea is a total pipe dream. No, the solution to the border is going to be a political one. If that continues to fail, then we start talking using force. Hopefully not mines though, they're too indiscriminate. Plus the beaners and others would just dig under the minefield. See upthread about Sonora being the tunnel capital and all that.
We lined most of the southern border with C-wire and razor wire once a few years ago(didn't really take that long like 6 months to do). We can do it again but with mines and obvious buffer zones with constant signs in various languages printed on it. At most it will probably take a few years if you assign a couple of divisions to do the work.

Zone 1: Warning signs
Zone 2: A wall of C-wire
Zone 3: 20ft wide zone of land mines
Zone 4: A wall of C-wire
Zone 5: 20ft wide zone of land mines
Zone 6: A wall of C-wire
Zone 7: Warning signs
 
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