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The tests mean Chris didn’t do the do with Barb because at the time he was hallucinating that she was a consenting blowup doll. He did it knowing what he was doing because he wanted sex and she was there.

He is retarded and mentally ill as well as lazy and stupid. But he’s not schizophrenic and wasn’t in the throes of madness when he repeatedly molested his mother.
 
He has been consistently diagnosed as mentally ill since he was a small child.

I've long been of the opinion that's what was in the original autism papers, not just his autism diagnosis.

They (Bob and Barb) admitted to Autism because that was inescapable and masked a lot of his other problems at least when he was young, and when he was old enough to be curious or have others be curious about it through him they made sure to know it was under lock and key and he wasn't able to get the key.

He is retarded and mentally ill as well as lazy and stupid. But he’s not schizophrenic and wasn’t in the throes of madness when he repeatedly molested his mother.

I'm one of those people in the camp of he might not be schizophrenic in the most common sense but he's certainly edging towards it from a laymans prospective.

Chris is kinda unique, it's no single thing alone that makes him what he is there is a fine balance of a lot of problems all working together to make him so special, he's not retarded enough to warrant forced assistance, he's not mentally ill enough that he needs constant medication, he's not autistic enough to be deemed incapable.

He's rendered in need of help and assistance because of all those things in unison and not a single one on it's own.

And your right he wasn't mad when he molested barb, but it took him a long time and effort to realise that he had that level of power and even longer to act on it and he put a lot of effort into it and planning.
 
Can someone give me a short summary of how Miranda rights applied to Chris after he raped his Mom? I don't feel like searching the thread.
What do you mean, specifally? Miranda applies post-arrest only, and it means that if you affirmatively and unambiguously assert your rights post-arrest, then your testimonial statements made in answer to questions posed by LE during in-custody interrogation may not be admissible at a criminal trial* on that offense if you clearly invoked your rights.

*evidence obtained as a result of statements made in violation of or outside Miranda applicability is typically admissible. Also, it's not absolute, so if you clearly assert your right to be silent, then interrogation continues, and you open your mouth, too bad. Assertion of right to counsel (6th Am) is different.

To get your statements excluded for Miranda reasons, you have to move for it and show the situation meets the requirements (essentially the underlined items above). If you prevail, it means your statement can't be offered at your trial as proof of guilt, but it can be used to impeach you/your later testimony and as noted there's no fruit of the poisoned tree issue for other evidence, typically.

Also, generally speaking - Spontaneous statements aren't typically covered. Statements made pre-arrest or outside of custodial interrogation aren't typically covered. It typically applies case by case, not person by person.

Eta - waiver of Miranda requires you understood and spoke voluntarily. Off the top of my head, idk what's been litigated about "understood", but I guess I'd be surprised if it were a lower standard than the level of competence required to stand trial (different context so the legal standard wouldn't be exactly the same, but basically the bar is probably very low). Barring a psychotic episode or an overall incompetence, likely that's not an out.
 
I've long been of the opinion that's what was in the original autism papers, not just his autism diagnosis.

They (Bob and Barb) admitted to Autism because that was inescapable and masked a lot of his other problems at least when he was young, and when he was old enough to be curious or have others be curious about it through him they made sure to know it was under lock and key and he wasn't able to get the key.



I'm one of those people in the camp of he might not be schizophrenic in the most common sense but he's certainly edging towards it from a laymans prospective.

Chris is kinda unique, it's no single thing alone that makes him what he is there is a fine balance of a lot of problems all working together to make him so special, he's not retarded enough to warrant forced assistance, he's not mentally ill enough that he needs constant medication, he's not autistic enough to be deemed incapable.

He's rendered in need of help and assistance because of all those things in unison and not a single one on it's own.

And your right he wasn't mad when he molested barb, but it took him a long time and effort to realise that he had that level of power and even longer to act on it and he put a lot of effort into it and planning.
Has there ever been any serious discussion on Chris perhaps having schizotypal personality disorder?

Have intense social anxiety and poor social relationships.
Not have close friends or confidants, except for first-degree relatives.
Have peculiar behaviors and mannerisms.
Have odd thoughts and speech, such as using excessively abstract or concrete phrases or using phrases or words in unusual ways.
Have unusual perceptive experiences and magical beliefs, such as thinking they have special paranormal powers.
Incorrectly interpret ordinary situations or happenings as having special meaning for them (idea of reference).
Be paranoid and suspicious of others’ intentions.
Have difficulty with responding appropriately to social cues, such as maintaining eye contact.
Have a lack of motivation and underachieve in educational and work settings.


These are just a quick search for the standard symptoms.

There is a lot of other schitz diagnoses besides plain ol Schizophrenia. So maybe it's worth seeing if he fits another one.
 
Can someone give me a short summary of how Miranda rights applied to Chris after he raped his Mom? I don't feel like searching the thread.
I’m sure it’s been mentioned before but Miranda rights are just a warning advising a suspect of their rights. Anything that happens after that is on the individual to abide by. Chris clearly cannot fathom what it means to be Mirandized.
 
Eta - waiver of Miranda requires you understood and spoke voluntarily. Off the top of my head, idk what's been litigated about "understood", but I guess I'd be surprised if it were a lower standard than the level of competence required to stand trial (different context so the legal standard wouldn't be exactly the same, but basically the bar is probably very low). Barring a psychotic episode or an overall incompetence, likely that's not an out.
I guess Heilberg could have made the argument that Chris was too incompetent to understand his right to remain silent, and maybe that was a tactic, but eventually Chris's charge was upgraded, and nothing further was done to show Chris was incompetent, so I guess there's a precedent that he's not completely stupid.
Has there ever been any serious discussion on Chris perhaps having schizotypal personality disorder?
There was that one time, I think with Anna, where he pretended to hear voices in his head and have conversations with them, trying to pass them off as real, but he did a horrible job with it. Sort of like when he pretended to be possessed by Sonichu, only to drop it when the needed arose to whine about something. Lately he's claiming that normal day dreaming is some sort of psychic thing only he can do, much like that short period where he'd try to make things jump out of his hands by staring it and gradually moving his hand until it fell out. He's also stopped relying on his autism as being his special super power, which leads me to believe that's he's trying anything to make himself out to be someone special, rather than just a tard.
 
I’m sure it’s been mentioned before but Miranda rights are just a warning advising a suspect of their rights. Anything that happens after that is on the individual to abide by. Chris clearly cannot fathom what it means to be Mirandized.
This. A lot of people misunderstand Miranda rights. They mean that when you're interrogated while in custody, you're given a list of some rights you have, because if that doesn't happen the interrogation wasn't up to legal standards. The purpose is so that suspects aren't tricked into saying shit unfairly while they're stuck in custody and unaware of their rights and unable to do anything to find those rights out.

They don't apply in 9 out of 10 cases, for example if a cop is questioning you on the side of the road and you say something stupid, that's usable in court because you're not in custody. Even if you are asked (but not forced) to come down to the station for an interview as a witness or something, they don't have to read you your rights because even if you're literally in the interrogation room you're not technically in custody, you're there of your own free will.

There's no way Miranda rights have anything to do with Chris right now unless someone interrogating him decided not to do the basics of their job. Reading Miranda rights before an interview is so second nature to them that it's like trying to drive your car before turning the key, it's usually automatic when it comes time to do it and I find it unlikely that situation has come up. If Chris blattered on to the cops in the car after he got arrested while Ralph was recording them and he now regrets that, Miranda rights are irrelevant. If Chris is upset things he said online or in situations other than an interrogation are being used against him somehow, Miranda rights are irrelevant. If Chris was read his rights and ignored them but talked anyway, they're not going to help him.
 
Even if you are asked (but not forced) to come down to the station for an interview as a witness or something, they don't have to read you your rights because even if you're literally in the interrogation room you're not technically in custody, you're there of your own free will.
It depends on the totality of the circumstances. That said, the only real consequences for them is if they don't Mirandize, they can't use the admissions as evidence (or anything they would not have already found without the admissions).
 
Miranda rights have no "YOU HAVE TO DO THIS SPECIFICALLY AT THIS POINT OF TIME OR THE CASE IS DONE FOR" time. The only real requirements is after an arrest and before questioning. So the police can't ask you questions about the crime in question after being arrested until those are read, but that doesn't mean you can't be charged and end up in jail, it just means the statements you made can't be used against you in court.
 
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How medicated is Chris? Since he lost a lot weight horse tranquillisers would kill him and anti psychotics would make him comatose

He needs those pills to keep his delusions manageable, even behind bars.

I'm sure that Chris lawyers are lurking around farms, Kengle's waistlines and Reddit for any leaked letters (If Chris is allowed to send them at this stage, since contents of previous letters are damning)
 
How medicated is Chris?
As far as we know he isn’t medicated at all.

He needs those pills to keep his delusions manageable, even behind bars.
What delusions?

I'm sure that Chris lawyers are lurking around farms,
Lol we are not that important.

(If Chris is allowed to send them at this stage, since contents of previous letters are damning)
He has a right to send and receive mail. If he’s not sending letters it’s probably because it wasn’t making him money or fulfilling his desire for asspats. He got bored with it.
Of course there’s a chance his lawyer asked him to stop and he stress sighed and agreed. But it’s probably not some big dramatic scene.
 
As far as we know he isn’t medicated at all.


What delusions?
I mean if any one psychiatrist looked, at Chris, listened and read his history on internet alone

Chris doesn't have simple fantasies common with autistic people who imagine that they're cartoon characters, fictional creatures just list a few.

Chris is a narcissistic individual with messiah complex, believing that he is Jesus, he was caught kissing his love mewtwo among many many other incidents.


Additionally belief in psychic powers, tulpas then some and thinking that incest was justified.

Psychiatrist are only concerned with current events and what family reports as disturbing or concerned. Bob is dead, Barb is crippled by progressing dementia.

Grooming history by idea guys and treen troon squad. Chris lacks awareness to tell that he has been fucked with his entire life and all relatives stay the hell away from Chris and don't care.

I hope that clarifies things.
 
I mean if any one psychiatrist looked, at Chris, listened and read his history on internet alone
What are you talking about? Lots of psychiatrists have done that! He spent time in a mental hospital. Chris is not hallucinating. He sometimes engages in maladaptive daydreaming, and that’s not great, but he’s simply not certifiably insane. It’s kind of biting him in the ass right now, being as sane as he is.

Chris doesn't have simple fantasies common with autistic people who imagine that they're cartoon characters, fictional creatures just list a few.
Sure he does.

Chris is a narcissistic individual
Maybe. We’re not among the psychiatrists who have examined him, so that’s not really our call to make.

with messiah complex, believing that he is Jesus,
He’s larping and pretending as cope. Even if he did really believe that, it’s a fairly common delusion.

he was caught kissing his love mewtwo among many many other incidents.
Iirc, he wasn’t “caught.” He was openly pretending. He also openly pretended to dance with one of his imaginary friends at a con. That’s not (necessarily) psychosis. It’s childish daydreaming and larping.

Additionally belief in psychic powers, tulpas then some
You think every woo woo aunt is insane?

and thinking that incest was justified.
That’s not madness, that’s something grown from his unchecked obsession with sex and access to porn. Closer to evil than mental sickness.

Barb is crippled by progressing dementia.
She is? What’s your source?

Grooming history by idea guys and treen troon squad.
What? The idea guys fucked with him, but they didn’t “groom” him in the way we understand “grooming” today. What did the TTS do?
 
thinking that incest was justified.
Can we stop pushing this notion already? Chris knew it was wrong from the start as he's made about it before and the fact he tried to hide it from people. The only "justification" about it was that Barb was there and it's likely she couldn't fight back or was in a somewhat catatonic state since Chris has talked about her denying him and him having to "warm her up" before he could have sex with her. That doesn't make him crazy or insane, it makes him a psychopath because Chris has always gotten away his bad choices thanks to his Autism and so he's had no need to care about the feelings or wellbeing of others. There's literally years of evidence demonstrating this.
 
Let's not erase Chris's crimes by saying he didn't know what he was doing was wrong. But Bella Janke got into his circle, got into his world, and then essentially groomed him into believing that Barb's lack of outright rejection was an excuse to do whatever his midlife crisis motivated sexual desires wanted. Barb opened that door by inviting Chris into her bed to cuddle with her because she was lonely when her (significantly older) husband died.
There's a lot of fucked up shit that precedes Chris's sins that he had little control over.
 
But Bella Janke got into his circle, got into his world, and then essentially groomed him into believing that Barb's lack of outright rejection was an excuse to do whatever his midlife crisis motivated sexual desires wanted.
Do you have any proof of this, or is this just another cope that Chris is just a poor ignorant naive tard that can't make devious decisions without some evil troll pushing him to do it?
 
The tests mean Chris didn’t do the do with Barb because at the time he was hallucinating that she was a consenting blowup doll. He did it knowing what he was doing because he wanted sex and she was there.

He is retarded and mentally ill as well as lazy and stupid. But he’s not schizophrenic and wasn’t in the throes of madness when he repeatedly molested his mother.
thank god it was a consenting blowup doll.
Wouldn't want to get arrested for balloon rape.
 
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