Ukrainian Defensive War against the Russian Invasion - Mark IV: The Partitioning of Discussion

[Jewthulhu]

Yeah that works. I think that this thread is more well suited for the "ambivalent but paying attention to the news" crowd.

I don't think any thread on the war will last without turning into a politisperg shitshow; you definitely have way more patience dealing with this than me. Here's hoping this attempt works I guess.

 

[the fall of man]

Stoltenberg complaining that the West isn't supplying munitions to the frontlines quickly enough,

Zerohedge Article for bias enjoyers: https://www.zerohedge.com/geopoliti...ing-despite-wests-billions-stoltenberg-admits

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Retard Take: I think this is pretty shortsighted, the current environment is one where Russia has the initiative and is surging while we wait for recent deliveries to "land" in Ukraine. Things are likely to remain unbalanced against western forces through mid-March

 

[AgendaPoster]

I don't think any thread on the war will last without turning into a politisperg shitshow; you definitely have way more patience dealing with this than me. Here's hoping this attempt works I guess.

War is politics.
Expecting warring parties to tolerate and like each other is pure lunacy.

 

[Clownish]

I don't think any thread on the war will last without turning into a politisperg shitshow; you definitely have way more patience dealing with this than me. Here's hoping this attempt works I guess.

I agree.

The main thing that was keeping the threads alive was the same couple of spergs slap fighting each other over topics they know nothing about for months on end.

Hopefully New Posts will be filled with less War spam now.

 

[the fall of man]

Bonus fun-
Argentina kicking out russian birth tourists:

Argentina worried over Russian women traveling to give birth

BUENOS AIRES, Argentina (AP) — Argentine officials are expressing concern over the large number of pregnant Russian women who have recently entered the country to give birth as a way to obtain an Argentine passport, claiming three Russian spies who were recently detained in Slovenia were...

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BUENOS AIRES, Argentina (AP) — Argentine officials are expressing concern over the large number of pregnant Russian women who have recently entered the country to give birth as a way to obtain an Argentine passport, claiming three Russian spies who were recently detained in Slovenia were citizens of the South American country.

US to kick out birth tourists when

 

[PolPot]

Bonus fun-
Argentina kicking out russian birth tourists:

Argentina worried over Russian women traveling to give birth

BUENOS AIRES, Argentina (AP) — Argentine officials are expressing concern over the large number of pregnant Russian women who have recently entered the country to give birth as a way to obtain an Argentine passport, claiming three Russian spies who were recently detained in Slovenia were...

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Argentina worried over Russian women traveling to give birth | AP News

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US to kick out birth tourists when

ABORT MISSION REPEAT ABORT

 

[A Mistake]

Russia is gay and I would not have sex with it

 

[Jewthulhu]

War is politics.
Expecting warring parties to tolerate and like each other is pure lunacy.

I mean, sure. But I'm talking the retards who think that this is all some righteous extension of the culture war™. Because let's face it; Russia's invading because (in general) their geopolitical strategy involves a reestablishment of some measure of control over the former soviet states, and NATO is assisting Ukraine because (in general) it's in their geostrategic interests to keep a hostile nation contained. Russia does not give a shit about tradition, religion, or national sovereignty, and NATO does not give a shit about democracy, gay rights, or corruption. They're all just useful concepts for their propaganda apparatus' to keep ideologues happy.

 

[East_Clintwood]

Bonus fun-
Argentina kicking out russian birth tourists:

Inb4 some Russian TV talking head starts saying Argentina is full of Russophobic Nazis and talking about how they could totally wipe out Buenos Aires with a nuke

 

[Foltest]

Americans who are still in Russia, could be forced to fight in the war

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Americans in Russia could be forced to fight in Ukraine war, U.S. warns

It may get increasingly difficult for U.S. citizens in Russia to leave as the situation worsens, as U.S. credit and debit cards continue to not work in the country and the U.S.' ability to help becomes "severely limited."

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[Racist Trash]

I do like that Russia recently declared their intent to invade the UK as a threat for announcement of jets for ukraine, you know while they can barely invade someone on their fucking border.

 

[Aidan]

Americans who are still in Russia, could be forced to fight in the war

snippet from the article:

Americans in Russia could be forced to fight in Ukraine war, U.S. warns

It may get increasingly difficult for U.S. citizens in Russia to leave as the situation worsens, as U.S. credit and debit cards continue to not work in the country and the U.S.' ability to help becomes "severely limited."

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Americans in Russia could be forced to fight in Ukraine war, U.S. war…

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This shouldn't be surprising, really. If you're a dual citizen you're still a Russian citizen, nothing says they get special treatment as far as I know. I believe the point of this article and others like it (in typical journalism fashion) is to just spread the headline around to make it seem like Russia will conscript American citizens who happen to be in Russia.

When I first saw your post I thought it was an old article I read that is just now being posted, that they're still touting this only affirms the above to me.

 

[mindlessobserver]

An inevitable outcome sadly. Ziggers just can't cope with the fact they are the bad guys in this Marvel movie.

 

[WhiteNight]

I mean, sure. But I'm talking the retards who think that this is all some righteous extension of the culture war™. Because let's face it; Russia's invading because (in general) their geopolitical strategy involves a reestablishment of some measure of control over the former soviet states, and NATO is assisting Ukraine because (in general) it's in their geostrategic interests to keep a hostile nation contained. Russia does not give a shit about tradition, religion, or national sovereignty, and NATO does not give a shit about democracy, gay rights, or corruption. They're all just useful concepts for their propaganda apparatus' to keep ideologues happy.

These are not the same. Russia is an autocratic government with Putin at the top basically making all the calls, so Russia's reasons are his reasons. NATO is a coalition of countries with individual actors having their own motives and interests, and furthermore as democratic countries their leaders to some extent reflect the will of the people who elected them. It is tricky saying what "NATO" does and does not care about since it is not an individual. But there's every reason to believe that Joe Biden, Emmanuel Macron, and so on do care about culture war issues and so on.

European leaders frequently give speeches about protecting democracy in Ukraine, and you'd have to be quite cynical to believe it's all an act, but even if it is, it's meant to convince their constituents they are answerable to who do care, so it's still reasonable to say that "NATO" as a collection of countries does care about democracy. This doesn't mean of course that they don't also have geostrategic and self-interested motives.

 

[Unarmed Gunman]

These are not the same. Russia is an autocratic government with Putin at the top basically making all the calls, so Russia's reasons are his reasons. NATO is a coalition of countries with individual actors having their own motives and interests, and furthermore as democratic countries their leaders to some extent reflect the will of the people who elected them. It is tricky saying what "NATO" does and does not care about since it is not an individual. But there's every reason to believe that Joe Biden, Emmanuel Macron, and so on do care about culture war issues and so on.

European leaders frequently give speeches about protecting democracy in Ukraine, and you'd have to be quite cynical to believe it's all an act, but even if it is, it's meant to convince their constituents they are answerable to who do care, so it's still reasonable to say that "NATO" as a collection of countries does care about democracy. This doesn't mean of course that they don't also have geostrategic and self-interested motives.

This would be a reasonable take, if not for the fact that Democracy only works if most people aren't fucking retarded.

Any consolidation of power is going to be used against the masses, whether it's an autocratic/democratic power doesn't matter. The only real solution is to eliminate the massive consolidation of power. This is a harder problem to solve which is why we all pretend any of this shit matters.

 

[AgendaPoster]

This would be a reasonable take, if not for the fact that Democracy only works if most people aren't fucking retarded.

Any consolidation of power is going to be used against the masses, whether it's an autocratic/democratic power doesn't matter. The only real solution is to eliminate the massive consolidation of power. This is a harder problem to solve which is why we all pretend any of this shit matters.

This thread is specifically designed so we can shill for consolidation of power in the hands of NATO

 

[mindlessobserver]

This thread is specifically designed so we can shill for consolidation of power in the hands of NATO

Let's not be too hasty. This thread is because Russia is bad and losing, not necessarily because NATO is good.

Personally I think it's a real accomplishment for Russia to juxtapose itself in a way that makes the EU and NATO seem like a far more appealing option.

 

[AgendaPoster]

Let's not be too hasty. This thread is because Russia is bad and losing, not necessarily because NATO is good.

We will decide how NATO can be improved from within NATO, ziggies cannot opine on that as they want NATO to stop existing and America to collapse.
Also we must do our very best to no longer put undue stress on the janitorial father figures at the helm of the website, which have stipulated in clear text that this is a NATO shilling thread.

Only friends of Ukraine, advocates of peace, NATO shills, and/or weirdos who just want to see Russians die may post in this thread.

 

[mindlessobserver]

We will decide how NATO can be improved from within NATO, ziggies cannot opine on that as they want NATO to stop existing and America to collapse.
Also we must do our very best to no longer put undue stress on the janitorial father figures at the helm of the website, which have stipulated in clear text that this is a NATO shilling thread.

I agree. Well then, hello fellow globo homosexuals. How are you all doing today? I sure do love spreading LGBTQIA+2 awareness in Slavic countries.

 

[Smity Werbenjagermanjensen]

No matter who wins, somebody is going be left holding a very shitty bag regarding the former battlefields.

Thanks to how intense and drawn out this conflict has become, Unexploded Ordinance from dud artillery, mines, etc. are going to be a problem for years if not over a decade, UXOs from World War 2 in Europe are still discovered, not just in rural areas but in urban ones. I haven't looked into how many people died from UXOs thanks to WW2, but people dying or getting maimed in the Pacific Islands from WW2 UXOs still happens on a monthly basis.