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Conspiracy Theorists Think Walkable Cities Are Really Open-Air Prison Dystopias Now​

To many city-dwellers, a "15-minute city" with everything you need within walking distance is a dream. Conspiracy theorists are seeing it differently.

By Roshan Abraham
February 10, 2023, 3:47pm

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To many urbanites, a short commute and having your grocery shop, favorite bar, and library branch all within walking distance are markers of a higher quality of life. But recent attempts to reduce commute times to 15 minutes and make cities more walkable have led to waves of weird conspiracy theories about an encroaching police state that must be stopped at all costs.

The “15-minute city,” as this design paradigm has been dubbed, is not a city-dweller’s dream in this addled conception, but an open-air surveillance prison nightmare that is being imposed by shadowy forces.

Edmonton, Canada is the latest city getting backlash, including a planned in-person protest that will have a prominent anti-vaccine conspiracist in attendance. “You will spend 90% of your life in this 15 minute area as they are monitoring your ‘carbon footprint,’” the flyer reads. In January, another protest in the U.K. was held to oppose 15-minute city proposals in Oxford, where participants connected the plan to COVID-19 lockdowns and vague notions of government control.

The conspiracy theory has been circulating on Twitter, TikTok, and Instagram, stemming from proposals in the U.K. and Canada. Nearly all the videos inject made-up details.
One TikTok out of Canada with 670,000 views compared Edmonton’s proposal to the Hunger Games in a video with the song “Fulsom Prison Blues” playing in the background. Another video in the U.K. by a Gen Z TikToker compared the proposal to Black Mirror and attributed the idea to Tories.

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“You’re going to have to apply for a fucking permit to leave your zone,” the TikToker says.

For decades, urbanists have pushed back on the car-centric development of cities that proliferated after the Second World War. Highways were erected, buildings went up at great distances from one another, and urban sprawl became the norm. The effects of these decisions are now being felt: Commuting long distances by car increases carbon emissions, leads to congested streets and, arguably, wastes a lot of time.

The emphasis on walkability in cities has gained traction in recent years. With an emphasis on the time it takes to commute, the 15-minute city idea suggests cities should be reimagined so that most people can get their needs met in a 15-minute walk or bike ride. The term was coined by Franco-Canadian urbanist Carlos Moreno in 2016. In a 2020 TED video, Moreno said that because of urban sprawl, “our sense of time is warped” as we adjust to the long commutes of car-concentric cities. Moreno was in turn inspired by American urbanist Jane Jacobs, who is the reason many contemporary urbanists in the U.S. praise walkability in urban planning.

In 2020, Paris adopted the term, prompted in part by the urgency of COVID-19 restrictions. To Paris Mayor Anne Hidalgo, it was a way of branding a set of pedestrian-centered redesigns, including street closures and the expansion of bike lanes, actions that mayors in the U.S. also took during the pandemic. Such plans tend to be popular over time but can invite blowback in the short-term. Until recently, that opposition has come from the expected groups: people who enjoy driving, hate parking spaces being taken away, or who fear that denser urban areas will put them in touch with the working class.

But in the last few months, an even more bizarre strain of opposition has been flourishing on TikTok, Instagram and Twitter: conspiracy theorists who believe that 15-minute cities will be pretext for open-air prisons enforced by a police state, where citizens will be prevented from leaving their enclosed zone.

To reduce carbon emissions and respond to the greater number of people working from home, Edmonton Mayor Amarjeet Sohi proposed creating “15-minute districts” by, in Sohi’s words, “widening sidewalks or multi-use trails that encourage walking, or sustainable infrastructure in communities where they make sense,” according to Western Standard. The city first proposed the plan in 2021, suggesting that city planners would focus on neighborhood-level planning that intermixes commercial and residential uses, in an effort to reduce commute times and widen the variety of services and amenities available in residents’ immediate areas.

While residents are right to openly debate the details, the overall strategy seems more realistic than putting the genie of remote work back in the bottle by forcing people to commute to commercial downtowns again, as some cities are trying.
In response to Sohi’s plan, conspiracy theorists began circulating a map purportedly of Edmonton, color-coded into separate neighborhoods, with a text box saying that vehicles will not be permitted to drive between zones. Except the map was actually of Canterbury, England, which had rolled out its own 15-minute city proposal. Edmonton has made no proposal to hinder travel between neighborhoods, and its plans are mainly focused around ensuring neighborhoods have a healthy mix of businesses and services available.

Canterbury’s plan involves closing off traffic on roads through the city’s center to reduce congestion through the use of license-plate readers that will fine motorists, which it calls “traffic filters.” Taxis, delivery vehicles, bikes and pedestrians would still be able to use the roads. Drivers can still cross into different neighborhoods, but it would take a little longer, possibly prompting them to walk or bike instead. Of course, many cities have various schemes to limit car use as traffic congestion has increased—Colombia’s famous pico y placa (peak and plate) rules ban cars from driving certain days of the week based on the digits on their license plates.

But conspiracy theorists saw something more sinister in the proposals, even expressing alarm that the 15-minute city concept has been discussed and promoted by the World Economic Forum, which is already at the center of conspiracy theories around its COVID recovery framework, the Great Reset. Sinister intimations were already percolating when they were boosted by Canadian psychologist Jordan Peterson, who retweeted a tweet containing 15-minute city maps and the caption “It’s already happening…” and the hashtags #GreatReset and #JailSchwab, referring to WEF chairman Klaus Schwab.

“The idea that neighborhoods should be walkable is lovely. The idea that idiot tyrannical bureaucrats can decide by fiat where you're ‘allowed’ to drive is perhaps the worst imaginable perversion of that idea--and, make no mistake, it's part of a well-documented plan,” Peterson wrote.

After receiving its own share of misinformation—including from former Independence Party leader Nigel Farage, who called the Canterbury plan a “climate lockdown”—leaders in the Oxfordshire County Council in the U.K. had to put out a statement and video to fact-check claims about the proposal. In the video, Councillor Liz Leffman said they were receiving panicked calls from residents fearing that they would be locked in their own homes. Councilors said the traffic filters would be rolled out in six trial locations in 2024. That video was in turn critiqued on TikTok with sinister music playing in the background.

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While the proposals are different in every city, in no place would people be barred from entering a different neighborhood by automobile or any other method. People driving cars on roads that have been closed in the U.K. can get exemptions, but even without an exemption, they can just use another road. Another video suggests that the idea will lead to “invisible barriers” and the government tracking carbon footprints for individuals, so that people will not be allowed to eat beef if they drive too far. Needless to say, this is not being planned. License plate readers have their fair share of problems, but Edmonton has not said they will be fining or ticketing people.

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The overall goal of providing people with local options for buying groceries or taking a walk is a good one; unfortunately, however, car culture is so deeply-ingrained that even the suggestion of limiting automobile use results in some dark and imaginative paranoia.
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Tell me you don't know any conservatives without saying that you don't know any:
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Reminder that they're saying automated license plate readers that bill you £70 if you leave your neighborhood aren't trapping you in your neighborhood because you could just pay the fine or spend an extra hour on the bus if you're poor.

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Proving the "conspiracy theorists" right:
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Only thing it has going for it is that it actually exists, unlike the CA HSR.
The ONE thing the anticarfags might have right is the inter city options in the USA are shit. You either drive (and so does everyone else, Friday night LA to San Diego is shit), fly (problems with security and timing here make it worthless for anything under 500 miles), or you take a goddamn gayhound bus and get beheaded by niggers.

There are a FEW places in the USA where there is low speed rail (79 mph or so) and it is so much better than the others - if it works for you.

So go Florida. Train go choooochoooo.
 
fly (problems with security and timing here make it worthless for anything under 500 miles)
HSR will have security if people actually use it. China already has security checkpoints for their trains. Once they build the checkpoints, flights will be faster for literally every trip. People have forgotten that before 9/11, flying was extremely convenient and you could arrive at the airport immediately before boarding.
 
HSR will have security if people actually use it. China already has security checkpoints for their trains. Once they build the checkpoints, flights will be faster for literally every trip. People have forgotten that before 9/11, flying was extremely convenient and you could arrive at the airport immediately before boarding.
Dunno about that, here there are no security checks when going on HSR. And we had a lot of knife and axe attacks on trains here in Germany recently. The only security checks I've ever had on a train were when boarding the Eurostar in Bruxelles to go to London. Actually, from where I lived back then it was faster to go from Germany to London by train than taking a plane, all in all. Flight time is shorter, but cheap flights go to shitty airports outside the city and you need transit to and from the airports. With the train I just had to change in Bruxelles and that was it.
High speed rail can be pretty cool. There is something about a smooth, comfortable ride while the outside passes by at 300kph. Although in reality that doesn't happen that often, and instead of a relaxing ride you have to worry about being late and catching your connections.
 
While everyone spergs about the California High Speed Rail and Amtrak, no one talks about the fact that Florida will have high speed rail before California will.
Why you may ask, because a private corporation known as brightline is working on it and so far it's a success, yet everyone wants to talk about amtrak and California's high speed rail that won't be done for years and years to come costing taxpayers millions.
I also wanna add that Brightline is *also* going to build a more bona-fide HSR (top speed for this one is 180 mph) line from Las Vegas to Rancho Cucamonga in LA (then later to Palmdale and LA Union Station) called Brightline West. They might start construction this year and be ready for service in 2027 or so.

 
The ONE thing the anticarfags might have right is the inter city options in the USA are shit. You either drive (and so does everyone else, Friday night LA to San Diego is shit), fly (problems with security and timing here make it worthless for anything under 500 miles), or you take a goddamn gayhound bus and get beheaded by niggers.

There are a FEW places in the USA where there is low speed rail (79 mph or so) and it is so much better than the others - if it works for you.

So go Florida. Train go choooochoooo.
I'd rather have the option of a 79mph train than no train at all. That's how the UTA Frontrunner trains in Utah here are set up, and they're quite efficient and peaceful, and will get you to cities like Salt Lake pretty quick because there's no traffic. That said I'd like it to stay optional, you just can't beat the versatility of a car sometime (speaking as a guy that had to take Frontrunner for a few months).
 
Flight time is shorter, but cheap flights go to shitty airports outside the city and you need transit to and from the airports.
That is both a historical artifact as many of those stations were on the outskirts in the 19th century when they were built and because RyanAir saves money by not paying high landing fees for big airports.

That doesn't really apply in the US. Many American cities have airports in the middle of the city; see Phoenix for the most obvious example. Our cities are very decentralized, so there really isn’t a benefit to having the airport/HSR station downtown as no matter where you put it, most people will have to travel to it. We also have multiple airports in big cities like SFO/SJC/OAK, JFK/EWR/LGA, LAX/SNA/BUR/ONT/LGB, ORD/MDW, DFW/DAL, IAH/HOU, etc.
Spirit, the American equivalent of RyanAir, lands at many major airports.

Long distance train stations also take up a ton of space and can’t be easily built in a developed area. Where exactly are you going to put something like this in an already built up city?
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Dunno about that, here there are no security checks when going on HSR. And we had a lot of knife and axe attacks on trains here in Germany recently. The only security checks I've ever had on a train were when boarding the Eurostar in Bruxelles to go to London.
You don’t understand modern American security culture and bureaucracy. After the first terrorist attack on a HSR train, there will be TSA checkpoints at every station.
 
That is both a historical artifact as many of those stations were on the outskirts in the 19th century when they were built and because RyanAir saves money by not paying high landing fees for big airports.

That doesn't really apply in the US. Many American cities have airports in the middle of the city; see Phoenix for the most obvious example. Our cities are very decentralized, so there really isn’t a benefit to having the airport/HSR station downtown as no matter where you put it, most people will have to travel to it. We also have multiple airports in big cities like SFO/SJC/OAK, JFK/EWR/LGA, LAX/SNA/BUR/ONT/LGB, ORD/MDW, DFW/DAL, IAH/HOU, etc.
Spirit, the American equivalent of RyanAir, lands at many major airports.

Long distance train stations also take up a ton of space and can’t be easily built in a developed area. Where exactly are you going to put something like this in an already built up city?
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You don’t understand modern American security culture and bureaucracy. After the first terrorist attack on a HSR train, there will be TSA checkpoints at every station.
True, my experience is decidedly European.
Don't all cities have at least one train station in the US? Like, HSR doesn't really require a new station, mainly new tracks outside the city boundaries. At least here they use the same gauge, but for high speeds they require higher quality with the tracks, so usually within city limits they share the tracks with every other train, and only go to high speed on dedicated sections they don't really share with the slow poke trains or freight trains.
Always fascinating how many differences are between the US and Eurocuckistan. Given just how much bigger everything is in America, HSR is never gonna be as popular as flying.
 
True, my experience is decidedly European.
Don't all cities have at least one train station in the US? Like, HSR doesn't really require a new station, mainly new tracks outside the city boundaries. At least here they use the same gauge, but for high speeds they require higher quality with the tracks, so usually within city limits they share the tracks with every other train, and only go to high speed on dedicated sections they don't really share with the slow poke trains or freight trains.
Always fascinating how many differences are between the US and Eurocuckistan. Given just how much bigger everything is in America, HSR is never gonna be as popular as flying.
A lot of old stations have either been torn down or converted into other uses.

The tracks and yards are still there. The US still has a huge rail network; it is just optimized for mass hauling of commodities like coal and lumber and grain.

To my amateur eye, passenger rail makes sense in the US along the east coast and the southern edge of the Great Lakes. It really is a shame that Ohio--a state filled with smaller cities relatively close together--only sees Amtrak service in the middle of the night.
 
One of Jason's fans discovered a horrible piece of Americanized carbrained infrastructure in the Holy Land!

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'Winkelcentrum Oosterwold'; car-centric shopping for new subdivision of the Dutch city of Almere.
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Ample parking & mainly reachable by car from the parallel arterial 80km/h 'provincial' road.
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Albert Heijn is the 'anchor store'
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Layout is quite similar to the horrible US-style 'strip mall next to stroad' concept.
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Aerial overview of the location.
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/r/notjustbikes predictably defends this store because it is located in the Netherlands:
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Because they plan to build housing around it, it's actually totally walkable and not car dependent. Those dumb Americans never build houses around shopping centers in suburban areas!

OP's aerial photo is very close in, so let's zoom out to get some more context on the area:
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There is a "bike path" on the main road according to Google, but in Street View it is clearly a narrow sidewalk and not a bike trail. Also, in order to get to the store from the bike trail, one has to cross a 60 km/h road at an uncontrolled intersection and ride in a car lane on another 60 km/h road:
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/r/notjustbikes thinks a rural car-dependent exurb is a walkable community purely because it is in the Netherlands and they believe that it is impossible to walk to stores in an area like this purely because it is in the United States:
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(A random Los Angeles suburb)

Jason also gets pissed off when people point out that the image he projects of the Netherlands doesn't reflect the whole country:
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Jason also gets pissed off when people point out that the image he projects of the Netherlands doesn't reflect the whole country:
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I can confirm he's mentioned having a video script about Almere done before:
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He says "the pandemic" stops him from filming yet he's filmed plenty of videos in the meantime. I doubt his video would say anything different from what he says here, which is a bunch of excuses for why ACKSHUALLY Almere is Good Suburb and American suburbs are Bad Suburb.
 
I am surprised that no one has mentioned this urbanist wet dream of a city.


From the interview with the creator:
"Sims don't need to travel long distances, because their workplace is just within walking distance. In fact they do not even need to leave their own block. Wherever they go it's like going to the same place."
"There are a lot of other problems in the city hidden under the illusion of order and greatness--suffocating air pollution, high unemployment, no fire stations, schools, or hospitals, a regimented lifestyle--this is the price that these sims pay for living in the city with the highest population. It's a sick and twisted goal to strive towards. The ironic thing about it is the sims in Magnasanti tolerate it. They don't rebel, or cause revolutions and social chaos. No one considers challenging the system by physical means since a hyper-efficient police state keeps them in line. They have all been successfully dumbed down, sickened with poor health, enslaved and mind-controlled just enough to keep this system going for thousands of years. 50,000 years to be exact. They are all imprisoned in space and time."
Sounds perfect!
Also thanks for the archive quaawaa.
 
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While everyone spergs about the California High Speed Rail and Amtrak, no one talks about the fact that Florida will have high speed rail before California will.
Why you may ask, because a private corporation known as brightline is working on it and so far it's a success, yet everyone wants to talk about amtrak and California's high speed rail that won't be done for years and years to come costing taxpayers millions.
Of course they won't talk about Florida (or Texas's) HSR plans. Those don't count because DEATHsantis doesn't belive in science and made it illegal to say "gay" under penalty of DEATH. He's literally making le handmaid tale real and all this after causing 6 billion coof deaths
 
Everyone who disagrees with us is a paid shill and/or conspiracy theorist:
The fact that they're calling anyone "conspiracy theorists" is preposterous. One of their core tenets is that suburbs really shouldn't exist at all and was some scheme by the oil industry and auto industry to sell cars.

This goes over one of the blog posts of the Antiplanner, Randall O'Toole. He hasn't been talked about much but he's an anti-urbanist libertarian that's arguably just as dumb as urbanists (his post barely talks about crime and doesn't advocate for the sensible solution, locking up criminals, and neither do urbanists in general).
O'Toole's stuff is more on government control on urban areas and less on functional society. In contrast, "walkable city" advocates will go on and on about "muh person scale" and always blame cars and parking, never on tents blocking sidewalks or homeless people intimidating people.

Also if anyone wants to know what the strip mall in the "random Los Angeles suburb" is, it's Fallbrook Center.
 
If you live “in the city” being a block or two from the mall is often a darn nice place to be. You can walk over and get whatever whenever and there’s a food court, too.

Oh no you have to cross a parking lot. I swear these bitches would coom so hard if you put the parking lot on the inside lol
 
If you live “in the city” being a block or two from the mall is often a darn nice place to be. You can walk over and get whatever whenever and there’s a food court, too.

Oh no you have to cross a parking lot. I swear these bitches would coom so hard if you put the parking lot on the inside lol
Jason's "Why I Hate Houston" video starts with him crying about having to walk across a parking lot and 95% of it is just bleating about the usual talking points (the other 5% is the fact that the sidewalks completely disappear around the railroad crossing, I'll give him that one) and then admitting to taking an Uber back to the hotel like a little bitch.
 
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As many flaws as there are with car centric infrastructure, there is one feature that I think deserves more attention: its humourlessness.
The only emotions that car infrastructure evoke are either road rage or depression. When it comes to public transport, there is just more room for FUN and creativity!
Here are some random examples:
A slide as an alternative to stairs at a train station
Train station pianos (although im sure people who work at the trainstation will disagree with this one)
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Train drivers having some fun with the announcements
Bus drivers being creative with their LED displays
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A rainbow crosswalk (ok this one is more pedestrian infrastructure, but you get the point)
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Having a miniature trainstation at the trainstation (I know at least Düsseldorf, Berlin and Prague have one and I'm sure there are more!)
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Swings that charge your phone
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I guess having the space to add some fun to infrastructure is an effect of these areas being built on a more human(e) scale.
What are some examples you can think of when it comes to public transport being FUN?
Bonus cope about long commutes:
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Trains are good because you can drink while moving (emoji is 🍻):
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