US US Politics General - Discussion of President Biden and other politicians

 

[The Last Stand]

So much for protecting the environment. But hey, let's be concerned about an AP class being sanctioned or whatever.

 

[Kuritan Deplorable]

Then what happens when a hydrogen tank ruptures? Hydrogen barely needs any air to become explosive, and it's very sensitive to ignition since tank rupture discs have been the ignition source for a number of hydrogen explosions. It also displaces oxygen so a leak could suffocate everyone in the vehicle to death. I'm not saying it isn't an efficient fuel, just that it doesn't seem safe to use as a fuel for everyone's daily driver.

Looks like it would kill you and most of the people around you.

Suffocation is an easily solved problem, doping the fuel with something miserable smelling is enough to provide alarm when it leaks.

The actual difficulty of long term storage is really the killer - It requires cryogenic storage just to last *a while*, and cryogenic storage requires a not insignificant energy input. If you wanted a hydrogen pipeline, the entire length needs to be cryogenically cooled to avoid immense loses to boil off. Trying to do it without active cooling just leads to mass losses. Basic, passive Cryogenic tanks can see about 1% boiloff a day. Specially insulated, actively cooled tanks can bring that down to 0.0#%'s depending on who's claims you buy, but its expensive, both to build and operate.

Hydrogen is kind of a bitch to work with, and really isn't worth it. For the energy input required, you'd probably be better off synthesizing stable hydrocarbon fuels - There's lots of options that exist, but little interest since its still emissive technology, even if it can be tailored cleaner.

 

[ForTheHoard]

Suffocation is an easily solved problem, doping the fuel with something miserable smelling is enough to provide alarm when it leaks.

The actual difficulty of long term storage is really the killer - It requires cryogenic storage just to last *a while*, and cryogenic storage requires a not insignificant energy input. If you wanted a hydrogen pipeline, the entire length needs to be cryogenically cooled to avoid immense loses to boil off. Trying to do it without active cooling just leads to mass losses. Basic, passive Cryogenic tanks can see about 1% boiloff a day. Specially insulated, actively cooled tanks can bring that down to 0.0#%'s depending on who's claims you buy, but its expensive, both to build and operate.

Hydrogen is kind of a bitch to work with, and really isn't worth it. For the energy input required, you'd probably be better off synthesizing stable hydrocarbon fuels - There's lots of options that exist, but little interest since its still emissive technology, even if it can be tailored cleaner.

I'm also guessing that being the smallest element has its own issues. Normal industry seals probably don't do shit to stop hydrogen from leaking.

 

[MarvinTheParanoidAndroid]

IIRC part of the issue with the Baby Formula shortage was that the FDA was stopping Euro formulas from being sold in the USA because they didn't have the correct "nutritional values information" on the product. Literally keeping it from shelves because the bullshit on the back looked different from what is the standard. During a shortage.

As for the insulin, the entire reason that it is so expensive in the USA is because the FDA (again) controls who gets to produce it, and the companies that can produce it pay good money to not allow anyone else to get authorization. So they can corner the market and stop and competition, allowing for them to gouge the fuck out of the price. If the FDA was less corrupt and allowed people to actually get authorized the market would become competitive and the economic game would lower the price to affordable levels.

Yep, artificial monopolies.

 

[Puff]

Then what happens when a hydrogen tank ruptures? Hydrogen barely needs any air to become explosive, and it's very sensitive to ignition since tank rupture discs have been the ignition source for a number of hydrogen explosions. It also displaces oxygen so a leak could suffocate everyone in the vehicle to death. I'm not saying it isn't an efficient fuel, just that it doesn't seem safe to use as a fuel for everyone's daily driver.

Looks like it would kill you and most of the people around you.

I'd consider it displacing oxygen a non-issue as it's lighter, so air will just backflow to fix the problem. You'll notice your car filling with hydrogen in time to open a window, with the squeaky voices and whatnot.

 

[Raoul_Duke]

I've really got to ask, what the hell is going on? Seriously, could some of you guys puzzle something out? Are there aliens floating above us? Chinese balloons? Why're things blowing up and being set on fire?

Is this some sort of secret war on us, civil war between some nebulous groups, plain and simple incompetence, what?

And fuck, that's before we even get to politics being so retarded and corrupt!

 

[silverstacks]

Kari Lake will probably be the only republican in the area to say something and even go to the site.

That reminds me, she's been way too quiet lately. Anyone know what she's been up to?

I've really got to ask, what the hell is going on? Seriously, could some of you guys puzzle something out? Are there aliens floating above us? Chinese balloons? Why're things blowing up and being set on fire?

Elections have consequences. Stolen elections have catastrophic consequences.

 

[MarvinTheParanoidAndroid]

Hydrogen is kind of a bitch to work with, and really isn't worth it. For the energy input required, you'd probably be better off synthesizing stable hydrocarbon fuels - There's lots of options that exist, but little interest since its still emissive technology, even if it can be tailored cleaner.

So you're saying there's a way to transform hydrogen into a solid fuel perhaps?

 

[Kuritan Deplorable]

So you're saying there's a way to transform hydrogen into a solid fuel perhaps?

Not solid, but stable - Syngas has existed for over a century, in practice and not just in paper, and we still produce it today. It can already be stored at scale with simple pressurized tanks, requiring neither high pressures or cold temperatures.

Amendment - on paper, metallic hydrogen is a theoretically stable form of solid hydrogen, but its interest is mostly in spaceflight technology - Putting metallic hydrogen in a car is just making a rolling bomb.

 

[MarvinTheParanoidAndroid]

Ohio's fish, cattle & backyard chickens are dropping dead, people have uncontrollable coughs, deadly chemicals leaked into rivers and ground water, don't drink the tap water. Time to flee from Ohio, Godzilla just farted.

 

[Long Tongue Silver]

Ohio's fish, cattle & backyard chickens are dropping dead, people have uncontrollable coughs, deadly chemicals leaked into rivers and ground water, don't drink the tap water. Time to flee from Ohio, Godzilla just farted.

Sounds like the State of Ohio's come down with a bad case of.....Ohio.

Have a good night, folks.

 

[MarvinTheParanoidAndroid]

Amendment - on paper, metallic hydrogen is a theoretically stable form of solid hydrogen, but its interest is mostly in spaceflight technology - Putting metallic hydrogen in a car is just making a rolling bomb.

Reminds me of this.

 

[The Last Stand]

Ohio's fish, cattle & backyard chickens are dropping dead, people have uncontrollable coughs, deadly chemicals leaked into rivers and ground water, don't drink the tap water. Time to flee from Ohio, Godzilla just farted.

I have literally never heard of this until today.

 

[Meat Target]

That reminds me, she's been way too quiet lately. Anyone know what she's been up to?

She was spotted at the Super Bowl. Someone on Twitter was whinging that she refused to stand for the Black National Anthem.

 

[Commissar Fuklaw]

Then what happens when a hydrogen tank ruptures?
Looks like it would kill you and most of the people around you.

I've already seen what happens.

 

[Amerikaner Teddybär]

Elections have consequences. Stolen elections have catastrophic consequences.

This year will be one hell of a time. Wouldn't be shocked that the Boog boys get their time in the sun.

 

[Snekposter]

It would be trivial to just use electricity to make a shitload of hydrogen if we had a bunch of high tech nuclear power plants around pumping out cheap power... Just saying....

The real obstacle is really the storage. No one wants cars blowing up when they crash. Bad enough with gas, took decades for the tech to get good at ensuring it didn't happen, and gasoline is quite well behaved all things considered (needing a lot of air-fuel mixture to actually ignite). Electric cars are actually still dangerous when it comes to fires, lithium can burn like a motherfucker and water only makes it burn hotter. It`s thermodynamics all that power that makes you car move has to come from somewhere. With hydrogen it really is a danger.

Well, the interesting thing about hydrogen is that its much lighter than air. So its incredibly easy to design blow-out panels to vent it up and out of the way instead of pooling around like gasoline.

 

[ForTheHoard]

This year will be one hell of a time. Wouldn't be shocked that the Boog boys get their time in the sun.

Anyone right of Lenin would be smart to stay miles away from any protest in the next two years. The only backlash to the treatment of the Jan 6ers was that they weren't given life in prison.

 

[Drag-on Knight 91873]

Anyone right of Lenin would be smart to stay miles away from any protest in the next two years. The only backlash to the treatment of the Jan 6ers was that they weren't given life in prison.

Or go in heavy because CIVIL WAR!

But yes, I'm staying away.

 

[Quiet Guy]

And I go back to my first point, there weren't even any charges filed. He had no names or information to actually do anything in his final two weeks as President. What the fuck was he supposed to do? Just make a blanket "anyone on the capital on January 6th can't be charged with anything?" proclamation? Yeah, there's no way that wouldn't have any unintended consequences...

I'm sorry, but anyone that blames Trump because the government went after citizens on January 6th is a no info fucking retard just bitching to bitch. Especially if it's said in the context of electing Meatball Ron of all people.

I wasn't blaming Trump; I was just pointing out that Nixon was pardoned without being convicted the same year he left office contrary to what was stated.