Disaster AP: EPA chief at train derailment site: 'trust the government' - “I’m asking they trust the government. I know that’s hard. We know there’s a lack of trust,” Regan said. “We’re testing for everything that was on that train.”

EPA chief at train derailment site: 'trust the government'
Associated Press (archive.ph)
By Patrick Orsagos
2023-02-17 00:13:51GMT

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Environmental Protection Agency Administrator Michael Regan left, walks with his staff through East Palestine, Ohio on Thursday, Feb. 16, 2023. (Lucy Schaly/Pittsburgh Post-Gazette via AP)

EAST PALESTINE, Ohio (AP) — The head of the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency got a first-hand look Thursday at the toll left by a freight train derailment in Ohio, where toxic chemicals spilled or were burned off, leaving the stench of fresh paint nearly two weeks later.

EPA Administrator Michael Regan, who walked along a creek that still reeks of chemicals, sought to reassure skeptical residents that say the water is fit for drinking and the air safe to breathe around East Palestine, where just under 5,000 people live near the Pennsylvania state line.

“I’m asking they trust the government. I know that’s hard. We know there’s a lack of trust,” Regan said. “We’re testing for everything that was on that train.”

“I have three grandbabies,” said Kathy Dyke, who came with hundreds of her neighbors to a public meeting Wednesday where representatives of railroad operator Norfolk Southern were conspicuously absent. “Are they going to grow up here in five years and have cancer?”

Since the derailment, residents have complained about headaches and irritated eyes and finding their cars and lawns covered in soot. The hazardous chemicals that spilled from the train killed thousands of fish, and residents have talked about finding dying or sick pets and wildlife.

Residents are frustrated by what they say is incomplete and vague information about the lasting effects from the disaster, which prompted evacuations.

“I have three grandbabies,” said Kathy Dyke, who came with hundreds of her neighbors to a public meeting Wednesday where representatives of railroad operator Norfolk Southern were conspicuously absent. “Are they going to grow up here in five years and have cancer?”

Regan said Thursday that anyone who is fearful of being in their home should seek testing from the government.

“People have been unnerved. They’ve been asked to leave their homes,” he said, adding that if he lived there, he would be willing to move his family back into the area as long as the testing shows it’s safe.

Those attending the previous night’s informational session had questions over health hazards and demanded more transparency from Norfolk Southern, which did not attend, citing concerns about its staff safety. Many who had waited in a long line snaking outside the high school gymnasium came away upset that they didn’t hear anything new. Some booed or laughed each time they heard the village mayor or state health director assure them that lingering odors aren’t dangerous.

“They just danced around the questions a lot,” said Danielle Deal, who lives a few miles from the derailment site. “Norfolk needed to be here.”

At least five lawsuits have been filed against the railroad, which announced this week that it is creating a $1 million fund to help the community while continuing to remove spilled contaminants from the ground and streams and monitoring air quality.

“We are here and will stay here for as long as it takes to ensure your safety and to help East Palestine recover and thrive,” Norfolk Southern President and CEO Alan Shaw said in a letter to the community.

Families who evacuated said they want assistance figuring out how to get the promised financial help. Beyond that, they want to know whether the railroad will be held responsible.

State and federal officials have promised to make sure Norfolk Southern not only pays for the cleanup but also reimburses residents.

The White House said teams from the federal health and emergency response and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention will go to East Palestine.

“We understand the residents are concerned — as they should be —- and they have questions. That’s all understandable,” said White House press secretary Karine Jean-Pierre. “And we’re going to get to the bottom of this.”

No one was injured when about 50 cars derailed in a fiery, mangled mess on the outskirts of East Palestine on Feb. 3. Officials seeking to avoid an uncontrolled blast evacuated the area and opted to release and burn toxic vinyl chloride from five rail cars, sending flames and black smoke billowing into the sky again.

The Ohio EPA said the latest tests show five wells supplying the village’s drinking water are free from contaminants.

At least, 3,500 fish, mostly small ones such as minnows and darters, have been found dead along more than 7 miles (11.2 kilometers) of streams, according to the estimates from the Ohio Department of Natural Resources.

Precautions are being taken to ensure contaminants that reached the Ohio River don’t make it into drinking water, officials said.

There have been anecdotal reports that pets or livestock have been sickened. No related animal deaths have been confirmed and the risk to livestock is low, Ohio officials said, but the state Agriculture Department is testing samples from a beef calf that died a week after the derailment.

The suspected cause of the derailment is a mechanical issue with a rail car axle. The National Transportation Safety Board said it has video appearing to show a wheel bearing overheating just beforehand. The NTSB expects to issue its preliminary report in about two weeks.
 
This actually happened? I can see it.

Freya's been getting more and more spergy as time goes. It's happening with a lot of the frequent politics posters as things continue to become more insane and they can't cope. It could be partially bait but I think we are genuinely seeing people's beliefs shatter in real time.
Here you go: https://kiwifarms.net/members/null.1/#profile-post-456041

Xhe likes to dish it out but can’t take it. A take as old as time.
 
Hey everyone, this is important and all, but I think that this is distracting from the really important issues that our country faces today.

Namely, helping to secure the sovereignty of Ukraine, our staunchest ally. Yes, I understand, there might be some chemicals in the water. But that will solve itself. I don’t blame the government for not wanting to send any aid to the affected communities. Did you all know? The Ukrainians are running out of ammunition AS WE SPEAK.

Seriously, you’re all being very selfish. So there’s a few dead fish and a couple of dead pets. Uuh, hello? You can buy new pets. And those fish will be back next year. You know what might not be around next year without our help? Ukraine. I think you should all consider checking your privilege. This thread has been hard to get through. Sort out your priorities, folks.

It's not a joke if it's something I can see on reddit in 5 minutes.
 
This actually happened? I can see it.
Oh yeah it did. The hulkster throwing constant tantrums over people mocking the shit out of him for the shit with his imaginary niece was some of the funniest shit since deagle nation.

I’d love to see these people say this kind of retarded horseshit to an Ohioan right now, or a Texan 2 years back, or pretty much anyone down South about 12 years back when the tornadoes were particularly bad. I might even help my compatriots clean up the greasy stain afterwards.

I miss when them acting retarded was still funny. Most of them really are like this. They’re all malicious pricks, and they’ll only pretend otherwise as long as they want something from you.
 
I love it when they bring up the Flint Water Crisis like Republicans didn't care, then try to compare it to this.

I do know that vinyl chloride is some seriously toxic shit, and a cloud of it can't be good.

HEre's the thing...

Right this fucking minute, and for the last few months, you have been being told that YOUR GAS APPLIANCES will kill you with trace chemicals. "No dosage, no matter how small, is completely safe" was the exact fucking thing they were telling you.

Now, they're telling you that vinyl chloride is just fine.

Tell me again that this shit isn't about incompetence.

This is about POWER and punishing their enemies.
 
you're really being rebellious by helping the fat cats who paid off biden's admin
It might be helpful if I give you some details on the prevailing ideology here in A&N. Most pertinently to this post, I have never seen anyone defend mega corporations that benefit from tax subsidies or DC lobbyists. In fact, they are widely despised.

Energy and mining companies are more tolerated because they are viewed as necessary evils to disentangle ourselves from the Global Homo. Entertainment and IT corporations are among the most hated, since they are viewed as thinly veiled propaganda outlets for oligarchs that want to implement neo-feudalism. In this thread, most of the negrates you're getting aren't because A&N hates women (although I have taken note of some bleed over from the incel thread) but because you appear to be informed by MSM talking points. As an example, @MasterBaiter is more positively rated for her takes in the US politics general thread.

It is kinda fascinating to see how each side sees the other as blind partisan shills.
just as i thought. you only care about poisoned water supplies if it's beneficial to the republicans. cuck.
Why do people on here downplay the environmental disasters that make Republicans look bad?
It might also surprise you to learn that some of the most widely despised figures here on A&N are actually the GOP establishment (e.g. Mitch McConnel). Republicans and Democrats have gained a reputation on this board as the "monoparty" because some of the worst policies are "bipartisan" - such as dancing to the tune of unelected oligarchs, universal support for the military industrial complex, print money forever financial policies, and a general contempt for anyone living outside metropolises.
That's communism
National Socialism ;-)
 
It might be helpful if I give you some details on the prevailing ideology here in A&N. Most pertinently to this post, I have never seen anyone defend mega corporations that benefit from tax subsidies or DC lobbyists. In fact, they are widely despised.



Energy and mining companies are more tolerated because they are viewed as necessary evils to disentangle ourselves from the Global Homo. Entertainment and IT corporations are among the most hated, since they are viewed as thinly veiled propaganda outlets for oligarchs that want to implement neo-feudalism. In this thread, most of the negrates you're getting aren't because A&N hates women (although I have taken note of some bleed over from the incel thread) but because you appear to be informed by MSM talking points. As an example, @MasterBaiter is more positively rated for her takes in the US politics general thread.



It is kinda fascinating to see how each side sees the other as blind partisan shills.





It might also surprise you to learn that some of the most widely despised figures here on A&N are actually the GOP establishment (e.g. Mitch McConnel). Republicans and Democrats have gained a reputation on this board as the "monoparty" because some of the worst policies are "bipartisan" - such as dancing to the tune of unelected oligarchs, universal support for the military industrial complex, print money forever financial policies, and a general contempt for anyone living outside metropolises.



Natonal Socialism 
I have been posting here for years. I know how they think.

I still find it odd all the blame is toward the Biden administration and not the rail company. They are the main ones responsible considering they *own those trains* and ignored safety concerns. Yet I see conspiracy theories about how the government deliberately did this to punish a Trump voting town in the middle of nowhere.

Also all the concern for poisoned water evaporated when I brought up fracking. Probably because it benefits big corporations. If people are going to be inconsistent like that and just parrot the shit I'm already seeing from all the conservative influencers, then yes, I would say thats partisan shilling
Here you go: https://kiwifarms.net/members/null.1/#profile-post-456041

Xhe likes to dish it out but can’t take it. A take as old as time.
I've been complaining about politispergs for awhile now. I must be making some people very upset their hugbox is being violated if I'm getting multiple people ragepost on my profile.
 
I have been posting here for years. I know how they think.

I still find it odd all the blame is toward the Biden administration and not the rail company. They are the main ones responsible considering they *own those trains* and ignored safety concerns. Yet I see conspiracy theories about how the government deliberately did this to punish a Trump voting town in the middle of nowhere.

Also all the concern for poisoned water evaporated when I brought up fracking. Probably because it benefits big corporations. If people are going to be inconsistent like that and just parrot the shit I'm already seeing from all the conservative influencers, then yes, I would say thats partisan shilling
Hey Freya I ve noticed it as well.

Like how a chicken farm in may caught fire, and the loss of 100K chickens is totally the work of XXX to break the people.

I think its most likely a axle over heated and caused a derailment of chemical cars. vynal chloride boils at fucking 8 degrees F. so rather than have vynal chloride vapor ever (which is also flammable as fuck) they did a control burn. with hydrogen chloride and phosphene gas as by products.

I m sure some chemical nerd could to the chemical math for how much of each you get from burning a million pounds of vinyl chloride.
 
Hey Freya I ve noticed it as well.

Like how a chicken farm in may caught fire, and the loss of 100K chickens is totally the work of XXX to break the people.

I think its most likely a axle over heated and caused a derailment of chemical cars. vynal chloride boils at fucking 8 degrees F. so rather than have vynal chloride vapor ever (which is also flammable as fuck) they did a control burn. with hydrogen chloride and phosphene gas as by products.

I m sure some chemical nerd could to the chemical math for how much of each you get from burning a million pounds of vinyl chloride.
Have none of these people ever seen a Chinese liveleak video? Are those disasters all planned too?

That information is interesting though. I didn't know vinyl chloride was like that.
 
I still find it odd all the blame is toward the Biden administration and not the rail company. They are the main ones responsible considering they *own those trains* and ignored safety concerns. Yet I see conspiracy theories about how the government deliberately did this to punish a Trump voting town in the middle of nowhere.
Did you even read the OP?

The OP is about how the EPA (aka the Biden administration) is reacting.

If the OP was about how rail companies are shady, then you might have a point.

But you come into the thread about the administration's crummy response to one particular rail disaster knowing that this forum is full of people who are already predisposed to not like Biden and you get all assmad that we're not talking about something totally unrelated to the OP?

I don't know why I am even talking to you. I guess I am the autist here. Have a nice day being mad at the internet.
 
The only reason I don't think "the gubermint did it" is because it doesn't really make sense. Ohio is a battleground state, and while this did happen in an area that voted for Trump this will affect far beyond that area, and if that one NOAA picture is true then it affects neighboring blue states and even fucking Canada itself. Gassing your own voters, and potentially swinging an important state away from you doesn't seem like smart government policy. Now it would make better sense if they did it, and then swooped in to look like saviors but that doesn't seem to be happening.

What IS strange is how the white house is acting about it. You would think with election being next year the Biden admin would be jumping quickly to seem like a competent and benevolent administration. Even if what they say is true and that there is no risk to public health (LOL yeah right) it would look far better if they declared a emergency, and then found out even if its "wasted" money. Because if the inverse is true and this is truly an emergency while they keep dragging their feet.....well people aren't going to like that to say the least.

Whats damning to Biden now is that train derailments are now getting focused on, and I keep seeing stories of train derailments coming from the media. Apparently one happened in Houston just a few days ago. This with Biden telling rail workers "get back in the cagie wagie" isn't a good look for him.

Ah who am I kidding. The average "vote blue no matter who" tard would still vote for Biden even if he came out tomorrow and said "I think Niggers are subhumans that should leave America!". They would just make excuses.
 
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