Ukrainian Defensive War against the Russian Invasion - Mark IV: The Partitioning of Discussion

Fanatical Pragmatist said:
tfw they accidentally Chernobyl'd their pipeline now the world is having an international whodunit


This.
Same sentiment for the lib-right who are "ragin against da war macheen" rather than realizing we are literally seeing a war of one side using their guns to defend their land against autocratic bugmen hordes...

I will say what few I've seen from the far-left seems to be quietly seething in support of Russia under their breath while uttering the "both sides bad becoz US imperiulizm" while the mainstream center-left circle jerks about "yaaassss slayyyy queen zelenskie!" without realizing they are basically rooting for wignat banderites
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Pretty much where I am at on this war. Like I don't support Ukraine because of Zelinsky or Nafo I'm not even an investor I'm the arms industry (I should be though)
I'm supporting Ukraine because any nationalist sentiment in the country will be outright stamped out if not an outright literal white genocide would occur especially if Putin gets full control over Ukraine. Because you would see him push to have the musilim population in Europe be resettled into Ukraine in an attempt to get back at Europe and weaken it further.
WhiteNight said:
There's a bit of horseshoe here, as tankies are lining up for Russia too, or at least are useful idiots. In the latter category I'd put Roger Waters, who Russia invited to speak at the UNSC to say Russia was provoked by Ukraine's existence.

But yes like many posters here I loosely identify with the "dissident right" or whatever it's called now, and it's been supremely disappointing how many of them are simping for a greedy murderous autocrat seeking to annihilate a native European culture and killing tens of thousands of its people.

So it's always refreshing when someone on the right does not fall into that vortex. That includes commentators such as Greg Johnson and politicians such as Giorgia Meloni.

I don't really follow any of these people, but my impression is that many in the alt-right see Putin as a strong, traditionalist leader defending his culture, in contrast to mealy-mouthed, effeminate democratic politicians who are selling out our civilization. And Putin is so baste coz he hates troons!

Partly it's a failure to appreciate scale. Yes, western countries have problems, but we really don't want to trade ours for Russia's. But also it's bizarre projection believing that Putin somehow cares about "western civilization" rather than his oil wealth, ego, and power. And there's a reason modern nations chose rule by bickering and checked politicians rather than unaccountable dictators.
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I think a lot of it is due to the fact the west is becoming more totalitarian in mindset due to liberalism becoming regressive and pushing for equity above all else. I feel for the dissident right/sensible center. I think we're seeing a class of liberal elites realize that they must censor the populace to maintain control or else.
Snekposter said:
I'm with you there. Russia is not our friend, nor our ally against globohomo since they're just fine with it crippling us so long as it doesn't cripple them. I mean, that's why the KGB started the whole ball rolling in the first place!
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I thought for awhile Russia could be reasoned with but the war has proven that Russia is a threat. Not as dangerous as the Chinese to western hegemony but dangerous never the less. Russia has to be dealt with but we can't take the ball of China either.
 
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Patroc said:
There's a lot about the DC protest to cover.
Here's a Twitter thread about it. Thread / Archive.

Matthew Heimbach and Shandon Simpson have created a new group called 'Patriotic Socialist Front' some retarded 'Maga-Communism' tankie ideology.

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Shandon's YouTube channel that the group uses. YouTube / Archive .
His live stream of the event https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=uU7sZIDiei4. (I tried to download it but can't / I'm on mobile)

The telegram --> https://t.me/Patriotic_Socialist_Front
Website --> https://www.patsocfront.org/ / Archive

This video is really funny lol

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Heimbach is an epic level sperg, in 2017 the media in Romania was stunned that some Amerifat is wearing Codreanu shirts and there was a lot of comic sentiment about the revival on various niche fascist movements in the US.
He switches ideologies like he switches the shirts. Codreanu would have a heart attack before doing anything pro Russian/Soviet, he was exasperated with Russia and bolshevism/communism. Russians were put in the highest threat category, only superseded by the mighty Semites (of course).
These people are literally mentally ill and severely confused. Bonus from Donbas militias fighting "fascists" (while wearing iron Guard shirt and Nazi flags lmao)
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If I tell this Molly chick that maybe, just maybe you should not import millions of immigrants often from cultures and countries hostile to the US (sometimes for good reason), and that immigrants should try to integrate and only come if they love the American project, she'd get mad at me and pretend there is no link between so many "new Americans" hating America and immigration.
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teriyakiburns said:
Which makes his tankie support all the more ironic, given they seem to believe the troons will be the vanguard of the revolution.
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Putin ie an ally of Islamic Republic of Iran, the world leader in 'sex change' operations (gsy men told become the woman or be roped but a proected and cosseted clerical class tends to be the home of maximal degeneracy). Putin is fine with troon boosters (Iran of the mullahs) f they side with him and likely doesn't care one iota.

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Heimbach is an epic level sperg, in 2017 the media in Romania was stunned that some Amerifat is wearing Codreanu shirts and there was a lot of comic sentiment about the revival on various niche fascist movements in the US.
He switches ideologies like he switches the shirts. Codreanu would have a heart attack before doing anything pro Russian/Soviet, he was exasperated with Russia and bolshevism/communism. Russians were put in the highest threat category, only superseded by the mighty Semites (of course).
These people are literally mentally ill and severely confused. Bonus from Donbas militias fighting "fascists" (while wearing iron Guard shirt and Nazi flags lmao)
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If I tell this Molly chick that maybe, just maybe you should not import millions of immigrants often from cultures and countries hostile to the US (sometimes for good reason), and that immigrants should try to integrate and only come if they love the American project, she'd get mad at me and pretend there is no link between so many "new Americans" hating America and immigration.
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Codreanu was a fervent and adept womaniser. Big boy is likely only a womaniser in his mind with his left hand. And definitely Codreanu loathed Bolsheviks and Bolshevikism. The only meaningful history for Russians is the Great Patriotic War celebrated with Soviet symbolism and in its personnel and structure the RF is a thinly disguised, if 4th rate effort, at the USSR. Codreanu would likely have thought little of the RF and its largely unobserved, performative Eastern Orthodoxy.
 
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LeChampion1992 said:
I thought for awhile Russia could be reasoned with but the war has proven that Russia is a threat. Not as dangerous as the Chinese to western hegemony but dangerous never the less. Russia has to be dealt with but we can't take the ball of China either.
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It certainly didn't take long for the optimism of '91 to get lost in the sauce; and by the end of that decade I had both family & expat friends that'd escaped the Soviet Union who returned as soon as they could, but came back to the States within five-six years because everything got fucked so quickly by the cost of corruption. Several also saved their entire lives to open businesses & buy homes, but were then cleaned out by oligarchs and/or gangsters eliminating competition, or who simply didn't want neighbors next to their dachas. They weren't exactly given fair market value or any sort of protections from the Russian state.

It's still pretty jarring, having grown up with the knowledge of living in literal Russian ICBM crosshairs, then for a few short years the relief & hope was very real on all sides; especially when we simply started talking more. But the minute talking stopped, I knew it was back to the bad old days. Sad.
 
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WhiteNight said:
There's a bit of horseshoe here, as tankies are lining up for Russia too, or at least are useful idiots. In the latter category I'd put Roger Waters, who Russia invited to speak at the UNSC to say Russia was provoked by Ukraine's existence.

But yes like many posters here I loosely identify with the "dissident right" or whatever it's called now, and it's been supremely disappointing how many of them are simping for a greedy murderous autocrat seeking to annihilate a native European culture and killing tens of thousands of its people.

So it's always refreshing when someone on the right does not fall into that vortex. That includes commentators such as Greg Johnson and politicians such as Giorgia Meloni.


I don't really follow any of these people, but my impression is that many in the alt-right see Putin as a strong, traditionalist leader defending his culture, in contrast to mealy-mouthed, effeminate democratic politicians who are selling out our civilization. And Putin is so baste coz he hates troons!

Partly it's a failure to appreciate scale. Yes, western countries have problems, but we really don't want to trade ours for Russia's. But also it's bizarre projection believing that Putin somehow cares about "western civilization" rather than his oil wealth, ego, and power. And there's a reason modern nations chose rule by bickering and checked politicians rather than unaccountable dictators.
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There is also the shrill shrieking from "nationalist" sectors about how Ukraine can't be nationalist because Ukraine does not exist. This cope was what finally convinced me the Far Right Anti-Ukraine sentiment was either a psy op or hopelessly retarded. Its right there in the statement that "Zelensky will fight to the last Hohol".

Its stated as a mockery but it belies a point. Zelensky isn't fighting. The "Hohol's" are. Who ARE these Hohol's Zelensky can ostensibly fight to the last one of? That is a question Team Z REALLY does not want to ask, because it has implications they do not want to deal with. Such as the fact Zelensky cannot do shit without an army, and an army cannot fight what is clearly a total war without some sort cogent idea of just WHAT its fighting for. Zelensky is nothing without his Hohol's. And for some reason thousands of Russians are dying in a country that does not exist.
 
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Speaking of Zelensky.

Before the war his Wikipedia said that his parents are secular Jews, that his wife is Christian, and his children are baptized. However, it was removed a couple weeks into the war and the edit said that the "info was not relevant."

I always thought it was suspicious why someone would remove that info since the sources were good.

Zelensky has also described himself as a Ukrainian “with Jewish blood”. Which is a kinda odd way to describe oneself.
 
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What is the fucking rational from liberals at this point that still support him? Why the fuck are we being dragged into a foreign war when our instastructure is literally failing, food is through the roof, the economy is shit, and tensions are higher than ever before? Has Biden even addressed Ohio ?

What a fucking awful president. holy fuck
 
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cantankerous jackalope said:

What is the fucking rational from liberals at this point that still support him? Why the fuck are we being dragged into a foreign war when our instastructure is literally failing, food is through the roof, the economy is shit, and tensions are higher than ever before? Has Biden even addressed Ohio ?

What a fucking awful president. holy fuck
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Until you, dumb peasants, stop personifying all the evils in the world with a singular person, be it Trump or Biden and start addressing who actually does all the work, that is, the Civil Service, untill then you deserve everything that happens to you.

Also, this is a Ukrainian war thread, not Senile Joe Bad thread. Please leave and leave the demented grandpa alone.
 
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Patroc said:
There's a lot about the DC protest to cover.
Here's a Twitter thread about it. Thread / Archive.

Matthew Heimbach and Shandon Simpson have created a new group called 'Patriotic Socialist Front' some retarded 'Maga-Communism' tankie ideology.

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Shandon's YouTube channel that the group uses. YouTube / Archive .
His live stream of the event https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=uU7sZIDiei4. (I tried to download it but can't / I'm on mobile)

The telegram --> https://t.me/Patriotic_Socialist_Front
Website --> https://www.patsocfront.org/ / Archive

This video is really funny lol

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Bro, they're literally right-leaning
 
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